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Insin Zabelin
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08-28-2007 14:52
And please note:

The way the US is run, everything are companies. This includes the Military and Police.

Yes, the police is government run in RL, but SL doesnt support an official Police force.

I admit, most police forces suck, and its employee's are imature wanna be cops.

We only call ourselves a Policing Force because thats what we are.

Proactive, not reactive, like security.
Raynor Hammerer
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08-28-2007 14:58
I'm sure you'll get over it soon and find something useful to do in SL.
Rusty Satyr
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08-28-2007 15:25
From: Insin Zabelin
Lol, wow, you guys are just hating on us.

Look up the definition of Police in the dictionary.


Okay... Just for fun...

1 archaic : GOVERN
--- [irrelevant]

2 : to control, regulate, or keep in order by use of police
--- [you can't control, regulate or keep order as powerless by-standers]

3 : to make clean and put in order
--- [You can't clean or put in order anything as unempowered/unofficial by-standers]

4a : to supervise the operation, execution, or administration of to prevent or detect and prosecute violations of rules and regulations
--- [ You can observe, but are powerless to supervise. You can not prevent or prosecute. ]

4b : to exercise such supervision over the policies and activities of
--- [ waaaay out of your jurisdiction]

5 : to perform the functions of a police force in or over
--- [ which only Lindens and, in some cases, Liasons are capable of. ]

Sorry... the definition from m-w.com doesn't appear help you.
Nika Talaj
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08-28-2007 15:31
From: someone
Insin Zabelin]And please note:

The way the US is run, everything are companies. This includes the Military and Police.


What? Hello? Is there some country with the intials US other than the United States, or are we talking alternate worlds? Both are very much government entities, hon. The military is national government, and the Police are local governement.
Rusty Satyr
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08-28-2007 16:33
From: Insin Zabelin
... , and if we need to forcefully remove a griever, we use very silent, small batons, ...


I just can't let the above line rest.


Forcefully removing someone is a legitimate Abuse-Report-worthy offense.


You need authorization to 'break the law' in your efforts to uphold the law.


And you do not have it.
Bradley Bracken
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08-28-2007 17:16
From: Rusty Satyr
You need authorization to 'break the law' in your efforts to uphold the law.


And you do not have it.


That's because there's no difference between them and griefers. Personally, I'll take griefers, at least they are honest about who and what they are.
Bradley Bracken
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08-28-2007 17:18
From: Insin Zabelin
Lol, wow, you guys are just hating on us.



Speaking for myself, I have no interest in being involved in your little roleplay. If it's what you want to do then go open a sim and have fun. Don't involve the rest of us and then try to justify it.
Usagi Musashi
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08-28-2007 18:46
From: Rusty Satyr
Perhaps:

"Bouncers for Hire"

"Professional Babysitters"

"Rent-a-cops"

"Hall Monitors"



Maybe.........


"Peanut Desheller"

"Diaper Changer".....(Could use this for my child in rl ) Please apply :D

"Linden Grid Monkey" (Works for bananas and only 1 hour perday)

"Bird Cage Paper Changer"
Usagi Musashi
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08-28-2007 18:51
From: Insin Zabelin

If you do not want our assistant, you simply tell the dispatcher "No, i don't want your officers here."

We rarely use firearms, we instead use verbal communication first, and if we need to forcefully remove a griever, we use very silent, small batons, without shouting commands.



These are those kids coming in to clubs after they staged a front. :rolleyes: No thank. Its bad enough in RL I seen these same people walk around in police outfit ( yes in japan) and Role Play........It use to be LLABS stopped and warned should kids about this. But now LLABS doesnt care anymore.
Jonathan Arna
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Booo
08-28-2007 19:16
lol.. another police force? theres serveral inb SL.. why would these kids wanna walk around the main grid. flashing their guns and tell us to listen to them.. jesus... Think these kids need to.. go to a Roleplay area and go from there.... all the "Police" i've ever seen act like noobs anyways.
Colette Meiji
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08-28-2007 19:32
From: Insin Zabelin
And please note:

The way the US is run, everything are companies. This includes the Military and Police.

Yes, the police is government run in RL, but SL doesnt support an official Police force.

I admit, most police forces suck, and its employee's are imature wanna be cops.

We only call ourselves a Policing Force because thats what we are.

Proactive, not reactive, like security.



Vigilantes are proactive.

Vigilantes are unsanctioned by the government.

Vigilantes resort to unlawful activity to keep the peace.


There you go - shoe fits.
Jesse Barnett
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08-28-2007 19:56
Nope, no thank you for a police force. The only ones a "police force" could possibly affect would be the innocent. The griefers have much better weapons that have illegal functions. If you really want to prove your usefullness then bring your police to a sandbox. If you can keep it grief free for a couple of days without getting any of your members banned for life then we might be impressed.

Just let us know which sandbox and when. I for one want to see the bloodbath.
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Tegg Bode
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08-29-2007 01:20
From: Raynor Hammerer
No, I think we rather find your organisation unnecessary.


True but there are many other unneccessary organisations in SL, we don't deal hate on.

It seems we are being a bit hard on them, RL vision of some posters here is cops chasing a fugitve onto a guys property who yells from the porch, "I don't need no stinking cops to protect my land" and opens fire on the cops, letting the fugative escape.
They are having fun doing what they want to do and have already said they won't do it on your land unless you ok it.
In my experience 9/10 griefer incidents I've witnessed haven't been on my land anyway. If it always happens to you on your land then I suspect you have either made yourself a fun target or don't get off your land often enough :P
And seeing most of the land in SL is owned by alts or bots, what are they going to do about it when you find your favorite hangout being disrupted.
This is a virtual lawless world and Linden have said we will set up our own government if we really want/need too.
Myself, I would prefer an official LL sanction Greeting/Helper group who's only power is direct IM with any Linden online if they find a situation warranting it.
But seeing there is no slothless response to incidents, people are going to protect themselves and others as the feel no one else will do so.
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Markubis Brentano
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08-29-2007 04:11
From: Insin Zabelin
Lol, wow, you guys are just hating on us.

Look up the definition of Police in the dictionary.





Its ok. You're new here.

I wish you luck...but do me a favor....check back in here about 3 months from now and give us all an update on how well your police force is doing.


Sorry if I sound bitter, but I had a run-in last summer with the "US Army" in SL, and they were nothing but a bunch of trigger happy knuckleheads who attracted griefers to their base (which was next door to me)

I ended up getting shot at by both sides and ended up getting the entire base to move elsewhere. So if I see any of your kind near me or my land, I will run you out of there FAST!!

btw...I just noticed that the "US Marines" built a base next to my new land this past week, and I suspect I'll be having to run them out of town pretty soon as well. That all depends on if they behave themselves.

Bottom line: If you're not affiliated with Linden labs, then you are just going to be starting trouble.
Jesseaitui Petion
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08-29-2007 04:41
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Must work minimum of 10 hours/week and maximum of 40/week.

Ai yai yai lol Is this going to pay the equivilent of an RL 40 hour a week salary?
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Colette Meiji
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08-29-2007 05:03
From: Jesseaitui Petion
Ai yai yai lol Is this going to pay the equivilent of an RL 40 hour a week salary?


Hey thats an interesting point.

Wheres the money coming from to Pay these "Police"?

Even at SL wages ..
Brenda Connolly
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08-29-2007 05:10
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If you do not want our assistant, you simply tell the dispatcher "No, i don't want your officers here."
If I don't want your assistance , I shouldn't be talking to your dispatcher in the first place. Sounds like you aren't planning on waiting for a call but will be out actively looking for "criminals"

From: someone

We rarely use firearms, we instead use verbal communication first, and if we need to forcefully remove a griever, we use very silent, small batons, without shouting commands.

However, if it comes to it, our officers are trained to use firearms.

Since we are proactive, and try to prevent crime in any area we can, we are classified as a "Police Force", not a security force.

We have NO authority, as we state in our group profile.

We never order anyone, rather, we warn rule breakers that they are indeed breaking rules, and action may be taken against them.


This is just one big contradiction in my mind. No thanks, you and your ilk are not welcome on any poperty I may own. And while property owners have the right to engag services like yours, I would most likely patronize businesses that didn't.
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Raynor Hammerer
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08-29-2007 05:18
From: Tegg Bode
True but there are many other unneccessary organisations in SL, we don't deal hate on.


I was rather thinking "unnecessary" in the proactive sense.
Alex Moraff
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08-29-2007 06:14
These 'Police Forces' are nothing more then griefers themselves. They are filled with nothing but power hungry avatars who see themselves as one step above common sense because of a tag and throw that around like its money. I all to often go to Help Island to assist the newcomers with questions and always at least daily see some 'officer' there attempting to 'enforce' the law. In the end they get overwhelmed or carried away and start orbiting everyone in sight because they have no idea how to handle the situation.

The land owner protects their land, nuff said
Elmore Philbin
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08-29-2007 06:18
From: Insin Zabelin
We are truely a helping force.

I am the chief of the Police Force.

We base ourselves around profesionalism and hence we pay our officers to act properly.

We do not ask for money for our services, and when responding to "calls", we have a dispatcher contacts the property owner, notifying them of the disturbance and requesting clearnance for our officers to remove the griever for them.

If you do not want our assistant, you simply tell the dispatcher "No, i don't want your officers here."

We rarely use firearms, we instead use verbal communication first, and if we need to forcefully remove a griever, we use very silent, small batons, without shouting commands.

However, if it comes to it, our officers are trained to use firearms.

We can be hired as a security force, but rather we are a proactive company, helping those who need it for free.

Since we are proactive, and try to prevent crime in any area we can, we are classified as a "Police Force", not a security force.

We have NO authority, as we state in our group profile.

We never order anyone, rather, we warn rule breakers that they are indeed breaking rules, and action may be taken against them.

- Insin Zabelin


This goes beyond stupid. It achieves a level of absurdity that becomes self-parody.

Any members of your "police force" entering my damage-enabled property will be immediately killed.
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VBMeister Young
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08-29-2007 06:45
Paid Greifer :P
Rusty Satyr
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08-29-2007 09:26
Insin-

Given the response you've seen here, I'm curious, are
you still planning on proceeding with this venture?
Kalel Venkman
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08-29-2007 09:47
From: Rusty Satyr
Griefers thrive on opposition. Your group sounds like
it will generate endless amounts of fun for them.

Leave the firearms completely out of the equasion,
attempting to rely on them will only result in ridicule.

This whole thing sounds more like a bad role playing 'game'.
It will turn situations that may have defused on their own
into larger dramas... and it will end badly.

And what do those small 'batons' do anyway?


Something very important to understand here is that the only way to really get a handle on the griefer problem in any way is to use the tools Linden Lab provides. Join a neighborhood watch group, use those abuse reports, learn how the estate and land tools work and help people who have griefer problems learn how to use those tools. Help new arrivals by showing them that Second Life is not Worlds of Warcraft or Unreal Tournament and wasn't designed for that purpose, and that there is an amazing virtual world of things to see and do.

But don't put on badges and use scripted weapons - not only doesn't this get you any respect from the citizens you claim to want to help, in the long term it is completely ineffective. I'm in my second year in Second Life now, and in that time I've seen more police forces rise up - and almost immediately do face plants - than I can come close to remembering.

You only get results by stepping up one level from the one the griefers operate on, and use the metaverse management tools the way they were designed to be used. Nothing else is really within the Terms of Service anyway.
Jarred Tammas
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08-29-2007 09:48
From: Colette Meiji
how about

"Griefers in fancy uniforms"


Or rent-an-oink! :D
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Kalel Venkman
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08-29-2007 09:51
What about completely scripted robotic police agents (assuming such a thing were possible)?

We'd call them "Brillo" (metal fuzz).
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