9-11 Conspiracy Theorists

What a curious list. Most of those people are of very little real importance in the greater scheme of things, certainly not to the point of "screwing up America" (to the best of my knowledge). I'm anxious to see the author's justification for his contention that they are so much more dangerous than I currently believe.

Sadly, I haven't been able to get hold of the book yet. My local library carries two copies, both of which are out (one is way overdue). As soon as it comes in, however, I intend to snap it up. Like yucky medicine, the best way is to force it down quickly.

Its basically a list of easy targets that brainwashed republicans/ pro bushies will eat like chocolate cake and spout about being a great read as it falls under there idiotic world view.

no Karl Rove in the list, no Rush limbaugh, Ann coulter.. these people give america such an aweful image to the rest of the world, the fact that these kind of people are absent is proof the the book is just mush. also the number 1 man who is destroying america is absent too.

*yawn*

you ever heard the phrase

know thy enemy?

the fact that you are unwilling to actually expand your mind proves you are just as ignorant as those you try to blast here. Please stop posting before you think.

billybob.. that book wouldnt EXPAND the mind of a 10 year old.. if I want to read fiction I'll stick to Dan simmons.

uh huh

tell me, are you always this ignorant and do you like being closeminded?

*YAWN* you want to suggest any REAL books to read on this subject I might give it the time of day.. not this dreg.. I read the list.

Its basically a list of easy targets that brainwashed republicans/ pro bushies will eat like chocolate cake and spout about being a great read as it falls under there idiotic world view.

want to expand your mind? read THIS OR THIS

That's a list of people destroying America? Interesting. Years from now, then, our children's children will be telling their children that



killed our country?

I think the author may be onto something.

What a curious list. Most of those people are of very little real importance in the greater scheme of things, certainly not to the point of "screwing up America" (to the best of my knowledge). I'm anxious to see the author's justification for his contention that they are so much more dangerous than I currently believe.

Sadly, I haven't been able to get hold of the book yet. My local library carries two copies, both of which are out (one is way overdue). As soon as it comes in, however, I intend to snap it up. Like yucky medicine, the best way is to force it down quickly.

I am having trouble getting your recommendation as well, Barnes And Noble had to order it because the library didn't have it.

Annoyingly enough, the library here had it, and it was in (I checked out of curiousity). Pity we can't swap.

Hold the phone. Did you just say you don't have it yet?

But earlier, you said:

"I am holding up my end, and still not seeing anything that even comes close to 'eyeopening.'"

How does that work? You haven't even cracked the book, and already you're commenting on the contents as though you'd begun reading it? I suppose you couldn't see anything eye-opening if you haven't even started.

there are online versions! DER! however I am not going to print it out.

Der? Hey, it's news to me. I didn't know you could get access to whole books online (save for a few).

LOL...now you're putting words in my mouth.

You said the proposed hypothesis didn't explain a free fall rate of collapse. Here is what I said in answer:




I then provided those examples of some of the estimated numbers that are floating around regarding the rate of collapse of WTC-7, and some off-the-cuff guessing. You siezed specifically on the 8.2 seconds provided in the NIST estimate as my "claim that the penthouse took 8.2 seconds to collapse." Lets look at what I actually said:




Obviously I'm not making the claim that "the penthouse took 8.2 seconds to collapse" as you have represented. The claim is actually that it "began its collapse 8.2 seconds before the "global collapse" ensued." Not that it took 8.2 seconds to collapse. The "global collapse" would be what you see on your video clip.

Not to mention that all of that section was the stated examples of the "all sorts of estimated numbers" I've seen.

So for clarity allow me to sum up again, since this thread has gone on a bit, so there is no doubt what I am ACTUALY claiming.

Claim: People who want to claim that it is an irrefutable fact that WTC-7 collapsed at free fall rate and anyone who doesn't see it that way are ignoramuses or just blind to the truth are wrong. They are wrong specifically that it is an irrefutable fact. Their claims are based on estimates and assumptions. The Civil Engineering types and their publications regarding the building collapses are also based on estimations and assumptions. The key difference is they have training and expertise in structural engineering and engineering forensics and they have more hands on access to more data, structural models and floor plans than just watching some videos. What you see in a few seconds of video is only part of the whole story of what is going on with the building collapse. The desire is to understand the whole story, as much as we can and as best as we can with the tools and knowledge that structural and engineering science gives us. Not just to understand 9-11, but to also better understand what may need to be done to improve building design in the future.


My Personal Position on 9-11 Building Collapses: The above being said, with all sides having to work based on estimates and assumptions, I'm going to have to go with the estimates and assumptions and explanations of the engineers on this one. I've seen nobody provide anything more convincing or concrete to refute the findings or analysis that has been done thus far by the NIST team (The Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers, Society of Fire Protection Engineers, National Fire Protection Association, American Institute of Steel Construction, Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat and Structural Engineers Association of New York).

and again --watching tapes of the WTC #7 collapse shows that the penthouse did NOT begin it's collapse 8.2 seconds prior to the "global collapse"...no matter how much it is wished by you.

so take your "lol" and shove it right up your ass.

Hai guyz, what book are you talking about?

Well gee...I can hardly argue with such thoughtful and level headed reasoning as that. I guess you showed me but good! LOL.

Nah. Chimneying and heat cradling? Yeah.