A question for an anti-Evolutionist

So: Evil exists in the world. God created everything. Therefore God created evil.

So: God is perfect. Everything God creates is perfect. In being perfect, it must also be good. God created evil. Therefore evil is good.

"It is such a simple concept that even some of the most intelligent people on the face of the earth will not wrap their heads around this."

Oh they can wrap their heads around it...just as they can wrap their heads around the naive utterings of a toddler.

They understand it alright. And they give you a cookie for trying.

Musuko.

I'm sorry you feel thats what I've said... it is not.....Man also has the ability to create.... albeit not as great a creation as God. Mankind created his problems... God created the solution

Do I also get a cookie for not insulting anyone? It is not productive to a debate or discussion. I merely stated what I personally believe.

So: God can do anything. God could remove all the evil in the world. God chooses not too. Therefore God wants evil to exist in the world.

while you may be correct that Man has created Evil -

That wouldnt necessarily be the biblical explaination for its orgins.

Since the first evil act was the Serpent tricking Eve about the apple.

It was the second Evil act that was done by man. Cain.

"Man also has the ability to create"

Claim 1: God created everything.
Claim 2: Everything God created is perfect.
Claim 3: God created man with the ability to create.
Claim 4: Man created imperfect things.

Analysis: Claim 4 directly contradicts Claim 1 and Claim 2. If man has the ability to create, and has used that ability, then not everything was created by God. If God created entities that were designed with both the ability and motivation to create imperfect things, then not everything God created is perfect (as it stands to reason that a creation that creates imperfect creations is itself imperfect, like a tree growing rotten fruit).

Conclusion: Savi has not applied much thought to his or her beliefs.

Musuko.

Actually, God created evil.

Isaiah 45:7

I beleive God wants mankind to NOT choose evil. and God has the ability to remove evil from the individual. We have to choose to accept that or not to accept that.

Freewill is an illusion. You don't "choose" anything.

Excellent Post Chip.

You voiced a lot of things I've thought about in a much clearer fashion than I could.

If there is a God, and I don't know if it's wishful thinking on my part, but I think there is some "thing", he couldn't be the judgemental do my dance or get punished. I actually lean towards the aliens from out of space, watching over a backwards world, but then where did they come from. See my dilimna? Think about it. Jesus did all those miracles, but they were all stuff that could easily be done today with the right medication. Maybe curing leprosy would have taken longer, but it might have been exagerated. Lazarus in that cave might have been "brought back to life" by some sort of medical procedure like CPR or a defibralator. Walking on water, maybe an anti-grav thing or maybe he was water skiing, LOL.

There's a big unknown out there and it's so much more comforting to think there might be some "God" watching over us and setting rules, instead of being responsible for ourselves. If he is there, then He should be big enough to understand our logical questioning and our doubts by the empirical evidence or lack thereof.

And then there's the bottom line, if He does exist. Why is there so much going on that He could obviously prevent. And even in the Bible there's evidence of pettiness. Caine brings his offering of vegetables and is callously rejected because it's not meat but he worked just as hard as Abel did. The whole Job thing turns my stomache. Putting that man through so much suffering in a bet with the devil. And even allowing Herod to slay all those babies in Bethlehem while giving Joseph the heads up to save Jesus. Why not tell all the fathers of those babies to get out of town? It all seems rather petty.

I know part of the faith is blind obedience, but if that's the case, why didn't He just make a bunch of robots, it would have been a lot easier.




A funny note: I encountered a database error when initially trying to post this. Was that "Divine Intervention"?

I'll buy the first round

that would be Linden Intervention which can be seen as slightly comparable

above taken out of context

The scriptures clearly teach that God cannot be the author of evil. James 1:13 states "Let no one say when he is tempted. 'I am being tempted by God'; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone." And further "Every good thing bestowed and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation, or shifting shadow." (emphasis added) We know that God is not a God of confusion (1 Cor 14:33). Psalm 18:30 tells us "As for God, His way is blameless" and "Thou art not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; no evil dwells with Thee (Psalm 5:4). Also, "The Lord is righteous in all His ways, and kind in all His deeds." (Psalm 145:17)

Have you ever really thought about what eternity would be like? I mean really think about it.

Don't you think you would get a little bored after the first 100,000,000 years or so? Or maybe after 1,000,000,000? Or what about the next trillion years?

Why would anyone wish to exist for all eternity? That would be my definition of hell right there. Unending existance.

So then you admit that God isn't all powerful? That there are things that even God can't do?

"Why would anyone wish to exist for all eternity? That would be my definition of hell right there. Unending existance."

You'd need a memory-erase button.

AKA, reincarnation.

Musuko.

That implies that the Universe will last forever. What happens when all the stars have burned out and the Universe is dead? What do you do then?

Not at all out of context. It's known as one of the great Contradictions of the Bible.

I wouldn't cite Psalms as a source, much. Remember, it's a tribute poem.

If God never commits "evil", does not create "evil", and brings only good, wonderful things to the world that are perfect, how do you explain the bet between God and Satan regarding Lot?

there are two competing theories about that

Open Universe means that all matter continually races from the center of the universe after the Big Bang, this leads to all things dying out since there is no way to regroup anything once they leave the gravity fields of each other.

Closed Universe means that the universe will continue to expand until the gravity of its peices pulls it all back together and there is another Big Bang, which will result in the rebuilding of the universe.

http://superstringtheory.com/cosmo/cosmo21.html

If you have a child doesnt your child have a choice to be evil or good? If your child chooses to be a mass murderer does that make you a mass murderer as well?
On the contrary... I have given a great deal of thought to what i believe. It's just that you don't agree with those thoughts

Thank you for demonstrating that you /actually don't understand/ what "begging the question" means.

Explain your take on Lot.

Did Charles Manson "choose" to be a mass murder? Does a person that is insane really have a choice is what they do?

If they don't, then what makes you think you do? If their brain chemestry is controling their actions, why isn't yours?

The current evidence points to the Open Universe.