What is with all the anti-Mac Labotomites?

come ooooooon ... admit it!

That's not completely true. Their hardware is tested as a unit and certified as a whole. Anyone who wants to sell hardware for Apple computers has to go through a certification process before they are allowed to market their stuff. (at least this is how it once was.. dunno if it's still that way)

That tends to make for better hardware than the Wintel way of doing things.

Bold. Very bold. And I agree with most of it. I started out on a C64, then an Amiga, then a DOS machine, then a Win95 machine, then Win2000, then WinXP, then MacOSX. I tried the mac many times before OSX and thought it was the AOL of operating systems--extra computer-newbie friendly with no options that if used incorrectly could mess up the computer--completely locked down. That was the original way Apple made their OS less prone to crashes--just remove all options that could be set incorrectly by the user.


Actually, they don't let anyone make their hardware anymore. They only allowed that for a short time in the later 90's.

I meant third party peripherals: you buy a "Mac" modem, and it's tested by Apple before the company that made the modem can put the little Apple on their box.

Okay, I think that's true. BUT--most devices like that, if they don't have a mac logo on them, unless it's something like a WINMODEM, work fine on the Mac.

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As I was thinking about things that are proprietary and the removal of options that could cause problems if set incorrectly--I started thinking about old CRT televisions vs new ones--you used to be able to take off the back and adjust the rings for convergence, and the upper and lower RGB cutoffs, and the focus (which is different than sharpness). Now those options aren't there anymore and you have to have a special remote in order to adjust those things--and the only way to get that remote, or documentation with the combinations of buttons you have to hit on a regular remote to get to those options, is if you have been certified by the manufacturer to work on their products. So, when a CRT TV starts to look funny, it's time to get a new one because taking into a shop costs more than a new one.

Not quite sure how that related, but it was something I was thinking about...

There are so many awesome computer games for the MAC I can hardly decide which one to buy

*gasp* I'm going to defend the mac again:

The new macs can run Windows, and not an emulation of Windows--they actually run Windows.

I am not anti-Mac, I am anti-Apple. I don't trust the company.

no I tinker with my trucks all the time, just put a new fuel management system in it. Theres always room for improvement on your car if you know what you are doing

*slaps forehead* The new Mac Pro is a PC.

Nonsense. Mac OS X is built on Unix. One can keep it simple or be a rocket scientist.

For instance, one can search for a file by typing its name after clicking on the big blue spotlight icon in the menu bar or one can go to the command line and type "mdfind -onlyin `pwd` [file]". I could go on and on ... and I will.

He's talking about 9.2 and earlier. He's talking about what the macs were based on in the beginning and how it made people not have to worry about how a computer actually works. The days of being forced to drag a disk into the trashcan to eject it. Try reading the rest of his post.

I did read it. Mac OS X is exactly the same. One still drags a disk to the trash to eject it.

My counterpoint was that while simplicity is still provided one can access the command line for more complexity and power.

When you think about it though, both methods are just abstraction layers. One is a desktop analogy and the other is a filesystem analogy. Neither provide a perfect representation of what the computer as a piece of hardware is truly doing.

Now you can right click the disc icon and eject from there.

The thing is, the older mac OS was like the AOL of operating systems--it didn't let you adjust any complex options at all, and if you knew what you were doing on computers, it was so crippled that it almost seemed a useless operating system.

His point was that since GUI driven operating systems have come out, people no longer have to know even basic things about computers to use them.

Ooh! You're right. I was unaware of that.

I'm the same way with Microsoft. If their products were sinfully delicious, I might look the other way but they're not so I don't.

Their Vista is going to bite them in the ass so hard. All their DRM crap that will severely cripple the machine, all the forced new options, it calls home (to MS) on a regular basis, getting rid of the quick launch and replacing it with a bulky ugly sidebar with an analog clock, they're making OpenGL an emulated layer in DirectX (will slow down OpenGL apps to a crawl), some of their new security options will have holes the size of Windows98, their OS takes 15gigs on the hard drive, there are so many things that are just flat-out awful about Vista, it's going to hurt them pretty bad.

Did you know that their business versions of Vista will force businesses to pay a monthy fee?

Also, the hardware requirements that Vista will have are outrageous.

They have a truly horrible business model. Command and conquer, and buy everyone out is their method. They stole so many ideas from Apple, Next, and Amiga it's not even funny.

What's unfortunate though, is the wealthy people who are computer illiterate will buy the latest and greatest machines with Vista on them and think it's just great while their privacy is breached by Microsoft over and over again.

Man, I really do not like Microsoft.

mac sucks, what else is there to say? oh wait there is stuff to say:::



MAAAAAN, did you just call microsoft stupid?! SICK HIM BILLY!
He's too rich and powerful, he could kill the SL Forums (oops too late)

Microsoft may be stupid to you, but this bitch has never crashed on me once in its 5 years of existance (or was it 3/4..... hmmm). Mac is the worst computer I have ever worked with in my life, as an animator, I have used the mack a few times, but then it would crash on me or delete all of my work. I threw it out the window, some hobo said "fank yuuu je3u3!!"

Man, I really do not like Apple... I mean an apple, what a retarded logo- ah, never mind.

I started with an Apple ][+, it was the last Apple product I ever bought.

Currently, I'm using a computer I built myself, as are all of the machines I've used for the last five years.
A few years a go I spent several years living with an devout Mac user, and trying to use her Mac was such a painful experience on the occasions that I had to do it, that I've made it a point to stay far away from them ever since.

OSX may be better, I don't know, nor am I likely to find out, since buying a Mac is still likely to run me at least twice what I'd pay for a comperable PC, still won't let me upgrade a piece at a time, like I've been doing for the past five years, and is still a distant second in compatability software wise.

Now, aside from software choice and compatability, if I weren't the type to ever open the case, and if I were willing to shell out almost double for a system that's trendy, a Mac might be a viable option...but as it is...I don't think so, and what *I* can't really understand is why even dedicated MAc users can't see that.

Is that how you're supposed to eject a disk? That really makes sense...not.

When I absolutely had to use my former girlfriend's sypstem, I used to just keep a paperclip handy.

Apple develops the Apple IIGS in 1986 which was a far superior computer to the macintosh wich was in development at the time

the IIgs was able to run multi platform and ran DOS and PRODOS being the first comercial cross platform pc.

the iigs was the first pc with stereo sound, and at the time had superior graphics to anything else.

Naturally with such a winning platform the first thing you should do is push development on something with less features and less compatability and kill the better product completely

prior to the macintosh II the Mac was a simple word processor pc aimed at large business and used for not much of anything besides maybe wordprocessing. The earlier models included :: Mac xl, Mac 128, Mac 512, Mac Plus... they touted the shiny GUI and... nothing else.... not even color

1987 one year after releasing the iigs, apple puts out the Mac II.... the IIGs dies...

Apple no longer reigns supreme as a gaming platform and head off to get their ass handed to them in the business market.

It wasnt really until the Power Mac in the mid 90's (95 I think) that they saw a windfall in educational institutions picking up large contracts to buy Power Macs by the 1000's

systematicly Apple began selling less for a higher price.

Today, to compete and not totally continue to fail Apple can once again run cross platform

you know... like they did in 86 before they shot themselves in the face

For another video look at the Mac vs. PC debate, try this

So, Uma/Ulrika/Oprah? Does your new G5 come with uSHUT??

I own a mac 512e. It still works and features 2 floppy drives and no hard drive. I was thinking of making it into a mini aquarium or something.

Apple has made so many mistakes it's amazing they are not just a footnote in computer history. Amiga comes to mind as a footnote.

Apple should be what Microsoft is today. They fucked it up bad. Their OS was superior to windows in everyway. Easily 5 years ahead of windows throughout the 80’s and 90’s. Apple felt the need to control their OS and hardware exclusively. Forget competitive pricing, it simply couldn’t happen. They still used this idiotic formula for success. It's like watching a 25 year long train wreck. They wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for their cult like following and the ipod.

I used to be a mac freak. They absolutely gave me no reason not to switch so I finally gave up. I'm astounded people even buy them.