Israel continues to murder civilians. Conservatives overwhelmed with apathy

dood, this is a troll

they arent apathetic

they encourage it

"kill dem darkies!"

who do you think armed israel?

give the rich white men the credit they deserve for the genocide they are inflicting

They definitely aren't the only ones who are apathetic to the situation--the democrats don't want anyone stating that Israel is doing awful things either, and after learning about Israel using depleted uranium supplied by the U.S., it makes the situation much worse.

Hezbollah threatens attacks on central Israel
By AP

BEIRUT — Hezbollah’s leader on Saturday threatened more attacks on central Israeli cities, a day after guerrillas for the first time fired a rocket powerful enough to reach the outskirts of Tel Aviv.

Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, speaking on Hezbollah’s TV station, said he supported Lebanon’s efforts to negotiate a peace deal, but suggested tentative promises for the guerrillas to disarm would be off if conditions aren’t met.

Nasrallah also dismissed a new diplomatic effort by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to bring about a ceasefire, saying the United States wants fighting to continue. His statement came as Rice arrived in the Mideast to visit Israel; a possible Lebanon stop has not been announced.

The bearded Shiite Muslim cleric insisted Hezbollah fighters were winning the battle with Israel, now in its 18th day. Israel has not made a “single military accomplishment” in its offensive on Lebanon, he said, speaking on the group’s Al-Manar television.

He claimed Israel suffered a “serious defeat” in ground fighting around a Lebanese border town after Israeli troops pulled back Saturday afternoon. Israel said they left Bint Jbail because they accomplished their mission of wearing down Hezbollah fighters after a week of heavy battles.

On Friday, a Hezbollah rocket hit outside the Israeli town of Afula, the farthest strike yet.

Hezbollah said it targeted an Israeli military base, but the rockets fell in an empty field.

“The bombardment of Afula and its military base is the beginning,” Nasrallah said. “Many cities in the centre (of Israel) will be targeted in the beyond Haifa stage if the savage aggression continues on our country, people and villages.”

He was referring to his earlier threat to attack deeper into Israel than Haifa, which has been hit repeatedly in the recent conflict.

Nasrallah said Hezbollah was willing to co-operate with the Lebanese government. He did not mention a Lebanese peace plan calling for guerrilla disarmament specifically, but suggested Hezbollah would not disarm if the government backs away from conditions outlined in its proposal.

Most notably, the proposals demand a prisoner swap with Israel and the resolution of Lebanese claims on border land that Israel controls. Israel has ruled out a prisoner swap but has not said whether it would be willing to reconsider its hold on the Chebaa farms area.

The speech was Nasrallah’s fourth taped TV appearance since fighting began, sparked by Hezbollah’s capture of two Israeli soldiers July 12.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/World/2006/07/29/pf-1709347.html

Hezbollah missiles hit Israeli civilians
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The World Today - Friday, 14 July , 2006 12:20:00
Reporter: David Hardaker
ELIZABETH JACKSON: Across the border in Israel more than a million Israelis have spent a good part of the past two days in air raid shelters.

Overnight at least four rockets fired by militiamen in Lebanon hit the religious centre of Safd in Israel's north, killing one civilian and injuring another 11.

Our Middle East Correspondent David Hardaker has also been in Safd throughout the night, and he joins us now from Nahariya, where yesterday Hezbollah rockets also caused casualties

David, the rocket that hit Haifa caused no injuries but it's clearly causing more concern in Israel than any of the other missile attacks, why is that, and what's been the Israeli response?

DAVID HARDAKER: Elizabeth, the rockets, the missiles rather, which hit Haifa have alarmed Israelis. Haifa is quite some distance from the line between the border with South Lebanon and of course over the border that Hezbollah is operating.

It's something like 45 kilometres away, and it's a much greater distance than Hezbollah rockets have ever travelled before in Israel, and so of course, this increased capability has alarmed Israelis because it means that the area of danger has dramatically increased.

Haifa of course is also home to chemical plants, and there's enormous fear of the damage that could be wrought should missiles indeed hit those chemical plants. And I think it's confirmation too in Israeli minds about the sorts of weaponry which is being supplied, they believe, to Hezbollah via Iran, more sophisticated and more powerful than perhaps they've seen before. Though it has to be said Israelis have long suspected that such weaponry might just be there.

ELIZABETH JACKSON: What's the atmosphere like in Safd, and in Nahariya, where Israeli civilians have died under these missile salvos?

DAVID HARDAKER: Elizabeth, as you said, I spent last night at the Safd hospital, which while I was there was receiving casualties by the ambulance load. I saw four children being brought in with blood streaming from their faces. They were in an enormous state of distress, their parents of course terribly upset.

There is an air, might I say, of defiance, there is an air of tension, but there's certainly not an air of surrender.

People living in these northern towns were warned two days ago to expect some difficult times ahead, and they knew what that meant, they knew that that meant that the Israeli defence forces would be taking on Hezbollah, and that Hezbollah would not take it lying down and that they would be firing rockets through the night.

So they have steeled themselves from this and that they support Israel's action.

ELIZABETH JACKSON: Is there any indication now, David, of what Israel's government now plans?

DAVID HARDAKER: Well, I think our clearest indication is that Prime Minster Ehud Olmert has authorised, after his meeting with security chiefs not so long ago, really to intensify its pressure and to do whatever it takes.

The chief of Northern Command in this area was last night in a briefing saying that all actions are possible. He was asked if that might include in fact assassinating the head of Hezbollah, that's Hassan Nasrallah, and his answer to that was that all actions are possible.

So, as we've heard, they've struck at key infrastructure in Beirut, destroyed airports, destroyed major roads, isolated the entire country. It's entirely possible that they might be now looking at striking targets even in Syria, which are related to Hezbollah.

ELIZABETH JACKSON: David Hardaker, thank you. Our correspondent, David Hardaker, joining us from Nahariya in Israel.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2006/s1686705.htm

Article published Jul 19, 2006
Israel battles Hezbollah's missiles

The renewed conflict pitting Israel against Hamas and Hezbollah - and their state sponsors Syria and Iran - seems to have burst upon us suddenly, like a summer thunderstorm. In reality the conflict has been simmering for a long time.

Strategically, Iran is using Hezbollah to divert attention from its nuclear ambitions but might also be issuing a warning to the West not to try and stop them. Israel may be seizing a narrow window of opportunity to permanently cripple Hezbollah, while the Ba'athist regime in Syria sows turmoil in the region to bolster its own domestic power (as mentioned in this space last week).

A key tactical factor dumping fuel on the fire, however, is Hezbollah's possession of newer, longer-range missiles that can bombard towns and cities deeper inside Israel. For years, communities on Israel's northern border endured incoming rockets from southern Lebanon. In the last few years, though, Iran and Syria have collaborated to build up Hezbollah's weapons inventory to new levels - both in quantity and quality.

Hezbollah now boasts of having thousands of unguided rockets and hundreds of Iranian-made guided missiles that can hit cities like Acre, Nahirya and the port of Haifa (population 270,000). On Sunday, such a weapon killed 8 Israelis at the Haifa train station.

The terrorists' possession of these weapons produces an interactive dynamic pushing both sides towards greater violence:

# The hunt is on.Israeli Defense Forces are engaged in a round-the-clock operation to find and destroy Hezbollah's systems that can launch against Israeli cities. Aircraft, drones and high-tech sensors are scouring Lebanon for any sign of launch vehicles, storage bunkers, communications, or training grounds, then vectoring fighter jets to bomb them. The IDF wants to destroy as many of these weapons and supporting facilities as possible - as fast as possible.

# Use or lose.With its missile crews (possibly including Iranian personnel) being hunted like rabbits, Hezbollah likely sees a limited window for expending its more sophisticated weapons before they're destroyed. From their perspective, it's better to use them now rather than see them converted into scrap metal.

# Striking infrastructure.Israel is also targeting Lebanon's transportation and logistics infrastructure to make it difficult for terrorists to move weapons along the road network, or support them with fuel and power, or bring in more. This certainly isn't the only reason for attacks on Lebanon's infrastructure (the IDF is also preparing for other contingencies), but it's a key part of the anti-missile efforts.

# Two-front threat.There are reports claiming Hamas is now trying to bring these same Iranian-made missiles into the Gaza strip, from where they could target many more Israeli cities and towns. This could explain why IDF forces on the ground in Gaza have been so aggressive. Are they trying to forestall a southern missile threat?

# Doomsday weapons?Other reports claim Hamas or Hezbollah may either already have, or are trying to obtain, chemical or biological weapons. In fact, in late June the Al-Aqsa Brigades in Gaza claimed to have fired a small rocket, tipped with a "chemical warhead" into southern Israel. Any chemical or bio use would cross a big threshold.

Each of these tends to push the current battle between Israel and the "Terrorist Axis" into overdrive. Another notch or two of escalation could easily tip things into a wider war. The clear discovery of Iranians fighting in Lebanon, an Israeli clash with Syrian air defenses in the Bekaa Valley, or a chemically-tipped missile launched by Hezbollah or Hamas could mean Israeli tanks in southern Lebanon, or IDF jets hitting targets in Syria or even Iran.

Tad Trueblood has more than 20 years of experience as an officer in the U.S. Air Force and as an analyst in the national security community. He is a Santa Clara resident.

http://www.thespectrum.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060719/OPINION02/607190338/1014&template=printart

Most of the Lebanese casualties are because the terrorists are hiding and fighting in crowded civilian areas and around UN bunkers. Israel has a right to defend itself from this terrorist group that has been attacking them for decades. The Lebanese government was powerless to do anything about it.

-Kiamat Dusk
"You can kill the revolutionaries, but you can't kill the revolution!" -RATM/Tool

I am what you would call a liberal and half jewish, and i would welcome it if you stop to use the death of innocent people on BOOTH sides to sling mud and get arroused.
You are a very sick person and should ask for professional help.

Well, that just makes you an expert on the topic doesn't it? And you can clearly add master speller and psychiatrist to your list of credentials. Funny, I don't see you saying the same thing to the OP. Just the guy who was defending Israel. What do you think that mean, doc?

-Kiamat Dusk
...harshing the Liberal high since '04...

Kiamat, there's a forum http://www.iraqi-freedom.com that has a lot of people there that you'd probably get along with great--you'd probably get along with Demonrat and Asugar great there. It's a place where I do a lot of debating and arguing in, and they don't shut down conversations that get too extreme.

Thanks, Fmeh. I read a lot of forums, but SL is the only one I call home and I guess that's why I bother at all. I like this community and like making my little contribution.

-Kiamat Dusk

...maybe because the poster sees that you're the only person in the thread defending the murder of civilians?

The death of civilians in Israel is terrible but so is the death of civilians in Lebanon which you seem to think is justified.

1) English is my third language, and i feel very sorry that i hurt your precious feelings by misspelling it.

2) The situation in and arround Israel is very complicated and it simply stinks that you use it for political warfare.
People wich have no doing in this conflict on booth sides die, you may have noticed that the hezbollah makes no difference between muslims living in Israel too, so its pretty clear who the aggressor is.

3) This war will lead to more wars for the simple reason that civillians wich are not connectet to hezbollah die too, and relatives tent to react a little bit emotionally when sons, daughters and parents die, this will make recruiting for the hezbollah easy.

4) No war so faar managed to hurt terrorists, you kill a few hundred and a few hundred join in, see point 3, all major victories over terrorist organisation where so faar managed by drying out the ressources they depend on, terrorists need money.

5) One needs no training in psychologie to see you are confused.

For the record, I am very saddened about the civilian casualties among the Lebanese. Most of these people are innocent victims caught in the cross fire. I regret that their government couldn't do more to protect them from these monsters in Hezbollah.

While I agree that Israel has a right to defend itself, I think it has the ability to be much more surgical in its strikes.

I also believe that bending over and hoping the terrorists trade guns for hugs is suicidal.

-Kiamat Dusk

Israel's great at helping Hezbollah and Hamas recruit, y'know?

And your solution to the constant shelling of your cities, the murder of your citizens, and the murder and abduction of your soldiers by a terrorist group that has sworn to see your entire country wiped out would be....?


The fact is, the only thing recruiting more terrorists is our wonderful free press who constantly buries or plays down reports of atrocities committed by their beloved "militants" against Israelis. Check out www.honestreporting.com for a look at the other side of the debate.
Here's a taste:

"In March 2001, a Palestinian sniper looked through the crosshairs of his scope and murdered Shalhevet Pass, a 10-month old Jewish baby in Hebron. AP's headline writers declared: "Jewish Toddler Dies In West Bank."

AP made no mention of who perpetrated the murder, and there is no indication of the ghastly nature of the crime. According to AP, the baby just "died" -- as if from natural causes or an accident. More accurately, Shalhevet Pass was murdered, shot, gunned down, or assassinated -- by a killer, gunman, terrorist, or sniper."

Stop blaming the victim.

-Kiamat Dusk

Character assassianation now eh?

My soloution to Israel is for them to obey UN mandates and pull back to the pre-1947 borders as the United Nations Security Council called for in 1948.

There is no difference between the 'monsters' in Hazbollah and the general civilian population. They are the same and one. Using the blanket term 'terrorist' for anyone that oppose the American-Israeli regime is a sure fire way to guarantee a bleak future for everyone.

These are not victims caught in a cross fire, since they are specifically targeted by the IDF to break the people's morale. Seeing that there is absolutely no way to tell which Lebanese belongs to Hazbollah, Israel can happily bomb anyone and not be accountable. They are, after all, using American designed precision bombing equipment and jetfighters.

Being abducted or killed is part and parcel of being a soldier. Retaliating because some of their soldiers got kidnapped is not self defense. Its just a convenient excuse for that moment in time.

SO does Israel have a right to bomb United Nations Check points so that no one will witness their war crimes?

No no. Character assassination is like screaming "Bush is a Nazi! Bushitler!!"

See? No? Ok, try this:
character assassination n. A vicious personal verbal attack, especially one intended to destroy or damage a public figure's reputation.

Like portraying Condi Rice as a big lipped, ignorant house slave. No? Still don't get it? Never mind.

-Kiamat Dusk

The sad part is you're serious.

-Kiamat Dusk

Oh. Ok. And of course then Hamas and Hezbollah would all of a sudden decide that they were just kidding about that whole pushing Israel into the sea thing right? Right?

But what if they don't? What if they keep on attacking? Keep on shelling? Keep on sending suicide bombers to blow up school busses? What then, O great warrior of Gor? At what point is it ok in your book for the Israelis to defend themselves? When they're in the camps? When they're in the Zyclon B showers? Or is it when they're in the ovens? When is it ok for them to defend themselves in your book?

Just curious.

-Kiamat Dusk

Something along the last few lines you mentioned should be fine.

Thank you... Thats exactly what you are doing.

So lemme get this straight...when they've been rounded up into concentration camps..then and only then do you feel they have a right to defend themselves? Is this what you're saying?

Because that was along te last few lines I mentioned. Or were you referring to a different post?

-Kiamat Dusk

Bush IS a Nazi.

Condi has thin lips and she's smart, she is however a fucking fascist.

Israel has already placed Palestinians in camps. Ironic no?

Sorry --Israel doesn't get a free pass from THIS jewess.