I am a Christian

Nahhhh. I'm a Jew. But I have a roman nose.

It's roamin' all over my face.


ba-dum-dum:::nare:::

wow.

Mel Gibson plays SL?

who knew?

Sadly, some Christians can be. Just look at Falwell.

But in all fairness I have to say that I have known some Christians that were the kindest, most loving, most tolerant people you would ever want to know.

Like Kendra was talking about, if you actually read the stuff that Jesus said it's all good stuff. Bill and Ted summed in up nicely: “Be excellent to each other.”

It's all that other stuff that gets heaped on there that causes problems.

I am laughing very hard, so I want to clue you in on some thing. I shouldn't but will.

I know Ernie. He is not Christian. He was argueing Muslim beliefs to me the other night.

His whole spiel about Simon and Peter came from a word my Pastor shared in service last week that I streamed in world for a bi-weekly event I am starting.

But now I am not sure what to beleive about this guy.

Just because you claimed to be sarcastic doesn't mean that it didn't seem like you weren't but if you were.

Passion of the vodka I tell you!

ABSOLUT ANTI-SEMITISM

Fixed.

lol.

Unfortunately, most I've seen are in fact shouting "I've been saved" followed closely by "You're going to HELL!"



Unfortunately, most I've met are quite proud of the savedness, and show a great deal of contempt for my going-to-helledness



Unfortunately, most I see are indeed trying to push their strength of numbers around to further their religious beliefs in disregard of my non-religious beliefs




Unfortunately, most I'm met who trumpet they savedness are indeed bragging while showing contempt for my going-to-helledness




Unfortunately, most I've seen do not want to be taught anything that disagrees with their religious teachings and views. Indeed, many react badly to such teachings




Unfortunately, most I've seen have their heads so far up their saved asses, they do indeed feel perfect and superior to all us who are going to HELL




Unfortunately, most I've seen feel only the pain of having to live with we unrepentant hell goers





Unfortunately, most I've seen revel in judging others.


Christianity, nice idea, not so great in practice.

When I came to Earth (the first time), I had a very simple message: love your neighbor. The essence of what I tried to teach all of you was that Love and Faith are what I want for humanity.

Every time I see someone who claims to be one of my followers act harshly, it breaks my heart.

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=13&version=31


THIS is my message! Those people who are judgemental, dogmatic, and hypocritical are NOT my followers. They may claim to be my followers, but they are no more my children than are the sons of Belial.

This deception is the oldest form of propoganda known to man: infiltrate the ranks of the enemy, act like him, and sow dissention in his own ranks. That's what the Enemy is doing to My children and My church.

Don't let the Enemy fool you. I simply want My children to love Me, love each other, and put their faith in Me and not in the things of this world.

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. There are greater truths than the bickering and hatred that flow so easily from the mouths of the ignorant. Look to the higher things, the better things. Don't be dragged down by pettiness and bickering. Learn to love your enemy, even when he hates you, and you will defeat him without even striking a single blow.

I let my enemies take my life. I gave it willingly to prove a point: that love, not hate, forgiveness, not judgement, and acceptance, not fear are the greatest things to which man can aspire.

That is the lesson I came to teach. Learn that, and eternity is yours.

Here's the problem with your statement:

You forgot to put "I believe" in front of the word Jesus. --And -that- is the whole problem with the majority of religious people.

There's generally no "I believe", instead it's almost always, "this is the way it is".

I agree with Kendra's viewpoint of Jesus' teachings, and that is what I believe, and I won't try to claim it's a fact since I don't even know for sure whether Jesus existed in the first place or whether he's a figure of mythology. His teachings are the important thing. If one doesn't pay attention to what Jesus taught, no matter whether you believe he was the son of God or not, his death was in vain. The things that Jesus taught are universal, and it's similar to the things that Buddha taught.

I think the idea that someone who was conceived through a pregnancy that wasn't the result of sex is outrageous enough, but then to declare that person to be "the son of god" seems even weirder. Then to claim that that person died so we can treat people any way we want and as long as we pray to him we're forgiven and won't go to hell--that seems like an excuse to not have to practice what one preaches, and a convenient excuse to be able to tell other people how to live: Good people will use that belief to do good things, and people that are more sinister will use that belief to do whatever they want without having to worry about "hellish" consequences so-to-speak.

Personally, I think that the idea that one person, Jesus, was the centerpiece for the universe and the centerpiece for what created the universe is ridiculous--it seems strange to me that people believe that the creator of the universe (if there was a creator) and the laws of physics was thinking of humans more than anything else--to me, that kind of belief goes right along with thinking the earth is flat and that the sun revolves around the earth as if everything in existence is here for the pleasure of humans. Why are humans supposed to be the center of the universe? Are all the other animals going to go to hell too because they don't know about Jesus? Are aliens, if they exist, going to go to hell because they don't know about Jesus? Why are humans supposed to be so special?

I have a viewpoint of God/Goddess/It, but I don't view God as something that's even remotely like a human--I view God as the mathematics of the universe, and that the universe is a sub-microscopic part of a giant living organism, and that prayer works because it's a bunch of people putting their energy into the same thing who are made up of the same things. But that is my belief.

You're welcome to your beliefs. You can believe the sky is pink and that babies are gathered in cabbage patches for all I care, just don't go around stating that it's fact when it is your belief--if you state that it's your belief, I'll have no problem with it.

Jellin, I think it all depends on what denomination you are talking about. Its funny how so many people talk about Christians being so Judgemental, yet they are instantly judging millions of people.

I've met more loving Christians than non-loving Christians. I just happen to think its a silly religion. I have nothing against those that follow though.

I couldn't have said it better, myself!

Forgiveness and mercy are truly meaningful to another human being if the one exhibiting mercy is doing so despite their proclivity to do otherwise. Mercy is a statement when done despite the power of the merciful to destroy.

Forgiveness from the mouth of a victim is the ultimate expression of hubris.

Do I need to go on?

I guess this thing we are a larger part of that you believe in likes to take something out of context, and position it to make a fuzzy fact.

Either that or you have too much of this energy you speak of and cant sit still to read an entire thread. So instead you read one post, made an assumption and want to act as if your beliefs are less silly than mine.

The problem is, just like any other group of people, the few can ruin it for the majority. The Jerry Fallwells, the Pat Robersons, the people who yell "Repent! Repent!", they ruin it for the Christians who don't use their religion to judge people.

The gangster types ruin it for the good people who come from cultures that use those types of mannerisms.

The "We're the chosen people, you better listen. Support Israel or you're an antisemite!" types ruin it for Jewish people.

The "White power! Everyone else is a 'lower race'" people ruin it for white people.

The Enrons ruin it for large corporations.

How does one talk specifically about parts of a group of people that make that group of people look bad without possibly making it seem like one is talking about that group of people as a whole? It's a difficult task.

Good point, however, I wasn't cutting off your quote. I was quoting an entire message.

You cut off my quote and ignored the rest of my post, or at least, you chose not to respond to it. My beliefs are my beliefs--you may feel it is as silly as someone thinking the sky is pink and that babies are gathered from cabbage patches, and we're both welcome to believe what we want.

It's good that you are someone who does not believe that your viewpoints are absolute fact. I'm glad to see it

I stopped reading this thread after this line so as not to ruin the its awesomeness.

I wonder if the hamster that powers the brain of a jesus freak ever needs to take a break and nibble at its water bottle. If so, I think that would explain this thread.

~Ulrika~

Col. Andy Tanner: "All that hate is gonna burn you up kid."

Robert: It keeps me warm.

It vacations in the heads of Atheists. Something about liking all that open, empty space!

Time to stop. Thread closed.