Destroy a Country

Oh, good gawd. A little political and religious theater, and y'all come apart. What a bunch of tissue-paper forum warriors.

Prokofy did this, and y'all came apart. (Ya, so did I - but I learned.) blaze does it, and y'all come apart. Ulrika does it with a stolidly political bent, and now it's the end of the (Neualten)world.

If you want to defeat the Ulrika666Beast, you must use her own methods against her. Weapons of humor, tongue-in-cheek, slyness, dogged determination, and eviscerating the status-quo. Cast a personal shield against "being overly serious and gullible."

Or put her on ignore and be owned.

Actually, Hiro, that study - I heard about via NPR - was done according to generally accepted methods; if it wasn't about the administration's pet project and drastically out of line with other estimates (that were NOT done by random interviewing) no one would have questioned it. The researcher involved DID admit that the variance was wider than he'd prefer, but that only means 100,000 was the most likely number - it could be lower, but just as likely it was higher.

Also, it's set up well-enough at this point that, in theory, it could survive any one person leaving anyway, and I've stated publicly - the the N-burg forum - I'm there until the sim croaks or I do.

Which of course is the whole point to Neualtenburg!

As curator of the in world Iraq War memorial, I submit to you the source of my data for your perusal. Granted it does not take account of civilian casualties but does count coalition deaths as well as contractor deaths. In all fairness the civilian count should include deaths caused at the hand of the unseated tyrant, which would far outnumber the peripheral casualties the coalition conflict has caused. Speaking to the horrific photos to bring to mind atrocity; I wish that geneva conventions had allowed me to photograph all the mass graves that were uncovered for you fun loving people to gander at.

http://icasualties.org/oif/default.aspx

I think this has more to do with the fact we're all capable of scratching a car or destroying a bible (physically). But I don't happen to have 2000 soldiers at my command.. And I'm pretty sure I would get very far trying to destroy a country on my own.. Anyone else?

This argument always disturbs me. It is not enough for me to have the United States simply be "not as bad as Saddam".

I didn't present it as an argument, just a statement. For the argument I'll submit to you that the deaths at Saddam's hand were intentional.

So was Bush's unprovoked attack on Iraq.

*hides* so ashamed ._.

A friend of mine who is majorly into superhero comics stated it like this:

"I didn't stick a Captain America poster on my wall as a kid because I thought he was 'slightly less evil' than the Red Skull."

ding ding ding!!!!!! I LOVE that.

Good point.
It's comparing apples to orchards.

(I suppose one could counter argue that while one may not have the power to command 2000 soldiers, one does have the power to vote for someone who wants to send his 2000 soldiers into action. From there one could further argue the validity and effectivness of the word "vote" in this context since many believe the election(s) were a cheat.)

Good point, I didn't think of it that way.. Maybe that was Ulrikas point even.. Hearing some of the things shes said on the current administation in the US..

Yeah it's interesting what the executive office 'provokes' people to do.
http://www.zmag.org/CrisesCurEvts/Iraq/fiskiraq.htm
http://www.zpub.com/un/bc-death.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/1/18/193341.shtml
http://www.slate.com/id/11384/

The month of October had some of the highest casualties since beginning of the war with over 95 SUVs reported scratched.

~Ulrika~

I find this very intresting, thinking about it, I agree with most of Ulrikas points, I disagree with almost all the ways she gets her points across.. Although it might be the shock factor thats needed to get people to take notice.. Maybe I just don't have the nerve to do it

:::hrug:::: I protested Clinton's aggression as well. I'm no partisan stooge.

I was there, From Sept 90 to Dec 91,
How Dare you write the word (IF) in the same sentence as a Vicious Dictator in reference to that Barbaric Ruler.
Let me tell you a little about what I was ordered to do in the Gulf. I was put in charge of a unit that was to reclaim all useable tracked or rubber tired vehicles for shipment back for training use. As we moved with the advancing troops to start our task we were given a multi-lam card index of color coding munitions banding for id’ing what types of rounds of ammo and how to handle them for de-arming the tanks, half tracks, armed ass haulers etc.
Things you don’t hear about or just don’t serve the left wing propaganda machine, as my crews started to the site of a battle of armor they reported to myself and my staff of why they where finding dozens of hand cuffs cuffed to the camo net frames of these Tanks ? . Taken as FYI at the start of our first battle site, they did there checking for traps, bombs etc. Make the vehicle safe for entering and working on. This battle group was heading for Kuwait .

As the de-arming started the ammo rounds where color coded with color bands or marking after a few Tanks and half tracks were completed one crew came too what was the group commanders Tank. There inside a report came in of a few rounds with no marking or color banding and at the fuel cell to warhead joint was an oily film. I cant report the end conclusion But that crew was airlifted out that day and all operations where stopped until 4 chem / bio agents came onboard one for each team. As I stated this unit was heading for Kuwait. If they had made it and a more robust defense been in place This Tank would have expended it’s mission. Now Back to the Cuffs, it wasn’t until the second armored unit we were assigned to make-ready did we come to realize what we were seeing.

This unit was in full retreat when it met with NATO forces. Being idol for a day or two we were able to deploy to the site while enemy troops were still running or surrendering. That’s when we saw as did the allied force that took control of this battle the horrors of what the Cuffs and heavy Zip-Ties were being used for. The Body parts and in a few cases live bodies of the woman and children Tied and Cuffed to these Vehicles as Human Shields after being dragged along the sides of these machines in some cases being ripped apart after getting into the tracks, wheels or hit by rounds. And you use the word IF.

During and after the questions flew within our units of how Could He do this to His own people ? And also how could we shoot at them, Seeing all that this murderous dictator was doing, It made our goals and mission critical to complete.
As for the questions of how we hit some of these vehicle, The battle was at night pre dawn and the unit had a mix of heavy ground troops mixed within the column there heat signatures show up the same as those poor civilians Too. You use the word IF.
In my view it took much longer and cost more lives after this was discovered by letting the enemy have more time to prepare for fight or flight as 100% id was needed now before engaging the enemy. If this seems long winded, well It left its mark on me.

The Statement of the children and innocense that perished from lack of food and aid you so glamorously print. The millions and millions of food for fuel moneys ceased in world banks and the 800 million and 200 million dollars found in walls and secret rooms of his palaces the millions spent on evil and death. And you use the word IF.
UNICEF and FEED THE WORLD Groups on TV tell me I can feed and help a child for 49 cents a day. The billions this Vicious Dictator had for his own evil use. And you use the word IF.

You and folks like you should move to France they could use people like U.

-Waves Lightcloud

You are NUTS! Tried for war crimes? He's the President of the United States! How on earth will he ever be tried for war crimes?

When he's not the President of The United States.

Nor am I my dear.

Very interesting post Waves. I have never seen any of this information before. Is there anywhere that this is documented. I ask this not to say I disbelieve you, so please don't take it that way. I have seen pictures brought back by some of my friends that were over there, and they are, to say the least, repugnant. I am just wondering if anyone has chronicled these things and why the media is not pointing them out.

Same way other national leaders were, I imagine, were it to happen.