How should the US wage new wars?

I guess you didn't catch on - I'm not American - I don't give a fuck what monkey you put on the hotseat! 'My side' is on the other side of the world.

And lets get it right - you invaded because Jr has a hard on for Daddy's missed opportunity and a shitload of opportunities for his buddies.

Ok where did I say that? - oh maybe thats just your 'fair and balanced' interpretation of what I said - you can't pick up on sarcasm? what a shame - maybe your neocon mind is like that of your president - unable to pick up on subtleties like that.
The torturing et al still continues my friend - only thing thats changed is that its not happening by the 'home grown' torturers anymore..


Maybe you should take some time away from making 'god hates fag' signs and take a basic reading class. Another 'righty' obsessed with things he cannot understand, because they don't include religion and war -- *sigh* and even those you don't understand.

Isn't it weird how so many hippies here know so much about me, even though I've never stated my positions on half of the things they attribute to me? It's like you're all just making crap up so you can hate. Being filled with hate isn't healthy, buddy.

You sure do know a lot about how the world works. You might want to try reading some things that were written by people that are smart about the world. Then you can get over your dumb ideas about Bush invading Iraq because he had an erection or whatever dumb crap you babbled about. Educate yourself. Then you won't have to be so filled with hate for people that are smarter than you about things.

Haha, sure, when you make up all kinds of stuff in your head, you can pretend that America is doing whatever you want to believe. Sure, we're torturing all kinds of random people exactly the same way as Saddam did. We're throwing thousands into mass graves. It's a secret conspiracy!

A lot of foreigners, probably yourself included, are very very jealous of America and how awesome it is. That's why you hate us. That's also why we don't give a crap what you think of us. We own you.

Buddy. Hate. Der. Hippies. Buddy. Der. Hate. Buddy. Der. Hippies.

LOL funny how you're attributing 'hate' to me thus going against your very own arguments about what folks think about you

Yes I do know quite a bit about how the world works - travelling it as a soldier all around it gave me a very good insight as to how it works. As for youself - physician heal thyself - get a book and read - maybe even watch some news or read a newspaper once in a while - it does wonders.

Yah - I'm soooo jealous of how America is thats why I disagree with your ill formed retarded opinions - and for the record I live here - I'm not a citizen - The News outlet I work for hired me because *I* am awesome at my job - more awesome than the local 'talent' - in sort - you might say I own you

Back to the drawing board bucky - I'm sure you have some more right wing rhetoric to think up.. It's folks like you that give the real repubicans a bad name.

You are entirely wrong on these points. The thread was not initiated as an arguement thread. You have led it down an entirely different path. To that end I'd appreciate it were locked as you are free to start your own thread to rant in.

Give him a break -- he's a troll. He's just doing his job.

~Ulrika~

Your first sentence is nonsense, you should rewrite it so it means something.

You don't know much about how the world works, obviously. People that know how the world works don't say idiotic things about America invading Iraq because George Bush had a boner. That is idiotic. Traveling around the world does not give you very might insight about how the world works, obviously. You need to read things that were written by people that know how the world works. Then you will understand things instead of believing that an erection had something to do with the invasion of Iraq.

Also, be sure to continue to ignore all of the things said about Iraq before the war by all sorts of people all around the world.

Starting a thread doesn't give you the right to dictate what people may say in your thread. Again, if you didn't have anything in your original post that needed to be argued against, there would have been no argument. If you want to have a thread with no arguments, I suggest you make a thread about something that nobody cares about. That's the only way you can avoid arguments.

PERSONAL ATTACK!!! I AM TELLING TEACHER!!!!!

So this topic boils down to a discussion on forum ettiquette? As in, you have none and will post whatever you want, wherever you want, whenever you want. Starting a thread does indeed dictate what the thread is ABOUT and you are not on the subject matter at hand, nor have you been. Nor have the people who have been responding TO you. (nor is even this)

Further, since you don't get it, many people have since agreed to disagree on various political stances (evolution, god, government, definitions) because it amounts to flaming and trolling and locked threads. So that is why I explicately stated we would not be doing flaming and trolling and political crap in this thread. It is not a discussion that this thread addresses.

If I had wanted to do that garbage, I'd have called it "How should the US have waged wars" instead. Or maybe "What are the moral implications of weapon use". Or some other such nonsense that otherwise gets in the way of a real discussion of what we will do and how will do it when it happens.

Well if your diseased wit can't interpret that, it's hardly my problem... Maybe you should wedge yourself outta the armchair with your 'neocon views for dummies' book and have a look around. I'm sure sitting there eyes glued to the FNN gives you far more insight.

Why not ignore them? GWB did - especially the part about weapons inspectors not finding WMD - where are they again? were they found? How about I ignore the part about most of the terrorists from 911 coming from Saudi Arabia - not Iraq, maybe I should ignore that too? Or perhaps I should ignore the figures of iraqui civilian casualties?

Can't make an omelette I suppose...

You really are obsessed with erections... perhaps you can't get one and must have one vicariously though your neocon peers...

Just an observation.

Puberty can be very trying on some

My first reply was a direct response to something you wrote in your first post. Just because you didn't like what I wrote doesn't make it "off topic". Take a look and see who are the ones that actually took the topic off course.

It's nice for you that you have decided to give up on trying to understand the truth about things, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to. Also, the format of this message board makes it very easy for someone to reply to your first post, no matter what the posts after that one say. So if people here really wanted to discuss your topic, they would. Extra conversations in the thread don't stop people from posting about your topic.

Hahaha, man, I love the hippy obsession with Fox News. You're so weird.

People that read the news and understand it know all about the WMD story. Pretty much every intelligence agency involved said that Saddam had WMD stockpiles. We found plenty of evidence of WMD programs that Saddam had on hold until the sanctions were lifted. But you already knew that, right? No you didn't. Because you don't know what you're talking about. You just pretend, which works pretty good when you're a lefty. Facts don't matter, only hating Republicans and George Bush matters to you folks.

What does 9/11 have to do with Iraq? The US has never claimed that Saddam or Iraq had any direct connection to 9/11. It is well known that Iraq had connections to Al Qaeda, and worked with many other terrorist groups in the middle east. Remember how Saddam used to give like 25 grand to the families of suicide bombers in Israel? How about all of those famous terrorists that he gave refuge to? Oh no, you don't remember that. Because you don't read anything that's truthful.

Haha, you're the one that said that George Bush invaded Iraq because of his boner, not me. So I guess that makes you the one obsessed with boners.

Well then - were are these WMDs then? where is the report on how they found them all? ahhh it doesn't exist...

The 'connection' to 9/11 that didn't exist was also one of your primo reasons for going to war...

Where do we get this from? From your Presidents mouth - in conferences, press releases, speeches - thats my 'untruthful source'.

Please tell me where you get your 'truthful reading' from.. I'd like to see what circulates..

I bet it burns your britches that Fox is owned by a foreigner too (And its pretty obvious that you watch - your views and 'facts' are only broadcast on ONE network - there is only ONE media outlet that paints such a positive view of the quagmire that is Iraq atm -why? because it's corporate owner won't let them say anything but glowing praise of Curious George and his merry band of stockholders).

Wake up and smell the catfood my friend - you can lock out the world, but only for a time.. It comes back to you with spades on.. The lowest approval rating of any President in history - thats GWB's legacy. And that's truthful - a reason why voting on party lines is such a bad thing.

2 more years buddy - then it won't matter anymore A pine tree will be an improvement.

I'm not sure of where the WMDs are, otherwise they would be found. Perhaps they went to Syria. It is known that Saddam had WMD stockpiles back in the 90s before he kicked the inspectors out. He never gave the inspectors any reason to believe that he destroyed those WMDs. That's why pretty much everyone said that he had them. We did find plenty of evidence that the WMD programs would be started up again as soon as it was possible. That doesn't matter to you, though. You have your religious beliefs set about this, no facts will ever budge you.

9/11 was a "primo reason" for invading Iraq? Who told you that? It's true that the US decided to finally deal with the Iraq problem after 9/11 happened, but 9/11 wasn't the "primo reason". I would try to explain to you that dictators cause people to want to suicide bomb people and stuff, but you are deaf.

Hahaha, you are getting unhinged man. I don't care who owns Fox News, Australia is America's good friend anyway. Oh, you have decided to make up in your mind that I hate all foreigners. You really think you're an intelligent person? Come on man, intelligent people don't make up all kinds of untrue crap in their heads. But I guess unintelligent people also don't have the mental power to see their lack of intelligence, so that explains it probably.

Lowest approval rating for any President in history? You really shouldn't pretend to know what you're talking about with something that is so easy to look up:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/14/bush.poll/

-Truman: 22% mid-February, 1952
-Eisenhower: 49% mid-July, 1960
-Kennedy: 56% mid-September, 1963
-Johnson: 35% early August, 1968
-Nixon: 24% mid-July, 1974, and early August, 1974
-Ford: 37% early January, 1975, and late March, 1975
-Carter: 28% late June, 1979
-Reagan: 35% late January, 1983
-George H.W. Bush: 29% late July, 1992
-Clinton: 37% early June, 1993
-George W. Bush: 37%* mid-November, 2005

Bush's current approval rating: 46%

You need to recognize that you don't really know what you're talking about. Then you can start to make progress towards being someone that does know what they're talking about. Then you won't have to feel so embarrassed in the future when you talk to people like me.

Don't be silly. Everyone knows where dubya of mass destruction lives.

No you're the one that said foreigners hate America...

Now as you said 'wow I dunno where those pesky WMD's went!'

But it remains the fact that that was the #1 reason for going to war..'They have them and we have PROOF' said the administration 'We know where they are!'

So - now it's 'Ooops - we don't know where they are!'

"My religious beleifs" - guess you didn't know I'm an athiest!

"9/11 was a "primo reason" for invading Iraq? Who told you that? It's true that the US decided to finally deal with the Iraq problem after 9/11 happened, but 9/11 wasn't the "primo reason". I would try to explain to you that dictators cause people to want to suicide bomb people and stuff, but you are deaf."

Dude - I can go one room over, pull out a tape and hear the President himself say it!
Sure - Saddam is an asshole, but that bears no relevance on WHY they went to Iraq - it was approved as a kneejerk to 9/11 with some false reports of WMD thown in..
Now thats how it was pitched to the people - if that wasn't the reason - then your Pres is a liar.. its really that simple..


You really should join the real world once in a while

Dude I feel embarrased talking to you, the same embarrasment I get when I see a mentally challenged kid smack an ice cream cone into his forehead

and you can 'jingo all the way' with that - all I've seen outta you so far is a handfull of 'hippy' and rhetoric.. when you decide to join planet earth - maybe you'll understand..

till then - I'm gonna transfer a few lindens to you in world - you can exchange them on Lindex and get a clue

See, you can't even read the words that I'm writing. Or you do read them and they don't make any sense to you. Then you reply with the same "WHELL WHERE ARE THEM WMDS?!!?", even after I explained to you that everyone thought the WMDs were there, we did think we had proof of them, we found that Saddam still had the capability to produce stockpiles when the sanctions got lifted. Why don't you address these points? Because you cannot. That's why.

I was referring to the way you religiously believe things that don't make any sense, not God religion. You're like a religious person with your hatred of America and Bush. No matter what anyone says to you, you're positive that you're correct, even though you aren't.

Please go one room over, pull the tape out, then write down where Bush said anything about 9/11 being a "primo reason" or anything similar to that, and post it here. Actually, you should be able to just do a search on Google to find that, if it exists. It doesn't, though.

Hahahahhaaha, good job completely skipping over the part of my post with the poll information. You can't even admit that you were wrong about that. That's where your problem is. You have to stop being so stubborn about things. Then you can start to learn.

Ignore the troll Siggy, even your sarcasm is lost on the guy.

He bought a one way ticket on the train to La La land. There is no turning back.

I would so love to see a Korg vs. Stank match

MJ

Yeah, I'd suggest that everyone AR him and then mute him.

He has absolutely no grasp on reality, and is a subpar IQ jingoist who suffers from delusions of grandeur.

Wish him away into the cornfield.

I pitty da foo'!

Well, I dunno that that would ever happen, but Korg would win. Korg is a piece of work, but at least he isn't dumb as a rock.