How should the US wage new wars?

I took one part of your post that I didn't agree with and voiced my disagreement. It's not my fault that there are a lot of people here that flip out whenever someone that isn't a hippy makes a post. I am not posting in a way to make people pay attention to me, this is the way I always act. I don't do it to get attention, I do it to entertain myself.

I'm sorry that people aren't able to stick with your topic, but that's not my problem. My first post referenced the part of your post that I was responding to, which makes it "on topic". What followed was hippies whining about all kinds of random things that made no sense.

The original post and topic were not mine. And you can adress yor disagreement in such a way that aligns it to the call of teh question and furthers the debate. I happen to agree with your initial assertion that america's warfighting potential has bever been better, but for teh rest of the time you have been grandstanding your coverservatism trying to get people to react. You can alway choose to remain silent or contribute to the discussion of the topic.

Whenever you start to write a post like this:

"Robert Novak was at CNN until recently, too. A job is a job, I'm sure a conservative would like to get on a lefty channel like CNN to try to help educate the people that only watch that channel. They also pay him a lot of money, which is the main reason he works there."

or:

"What's so simple about what I posted? Do you usually call the things that you aren't able to understand "simple"?"

You should stop and think is the really adding to this discussion, and should it not give some of the se otehr topics thier own threads.

Another mind reader. I post the way I do about "hippies" because I dislike them almost as much as they hate me and anyone else that isn't a hippy. I don't want lefties to like me.

You should take a look at the people I was responding to with those posts and the things they wrote. Then you can stop pretending that I'm coming in and disturbing intelligent conversations.

Uhm yeah, I guess google let you down on that. Not familiar with the plague of landmines ? Or how about sniper alley in Sarajevo? Maybe not even familiar with Bosnia? *shrug* Oh btw they haven't run me out yet. I'm no Bush hater but I am "one who's dissappointed".

My views are very much in line with Tikki's on this. I am a moderate, who sees absolutely no value in extremism, whichever side of the aisle it falls on.

As for the original topic of this thread before Stankleberries turned it into a soapbox for boorish and hackneyed pseudo-neocon rhetoric, you fight a war when you or an ally are attacked (Iraq did not plan, organize, nor execute the 9/11 attack, so don't even go there). You use diplomacy, sanctions, and a myriad of other ploitical pressure techniques when you don't like the way someone is running their country, and they are not being hostile to the outside world.

This, "America=good, and anyone who doesn't agree with America=evil" garbage is ridiculously short-sighted, and reeks of adolescent male thought process, regardless of your particular political affiliation(s).

Largest millitary in the world is incapable of securing Iraq, which is one of the smallest countries in the world.

Cheney is getting rich though. That's what counts, right?

Is Iraq smaller then North Vietnam?
Oh that's right they had guerilla warfare there too. Just sayin'

You are prohibiting them from ever taking place. I just want you to do it somewhere else.

Farbeit, I would ever say anything bad about the men and women in millitary service for their dedication to the flag.

What really irks me though is when the commanders accuse naysayers of being unpatriotic or sending a bad message to the troops.

I know you wouldn't. Was just making a point. The stink tanks have always thought our enemies would fight fair and follow Geneva. Pffft so far in what over 70 years we haven't come up against one adversary who did.
I hear ya though.

Moderates don't use the word "neocon" as a bad word. You are a lefty.

Uh oh, "Nolan" has declared the official rules for having war! Everyone has to listen to him because he is the boss!

America invaded Iraq for many reasons. If you don't understand them by now, you have no chance of ever understanding them. You don't want to understand them.

I never said that anyone that doesn't agree with America is "evil". You just made that up. You know why you made it up? I bet you don't.

I know why. Money, oil and Bush paying his markers. Saddam was an asshat, but no threat.

30,000 dead Iraqi civilians. That blood is on your hands, not mine.

I don't expect you rednecks understand that though. Do yourself a favor, quit posting and go back to sticking your head in the sand. Preaching to others about ignorance while displaying yours, proves my point.

Hey, just ignore Stank, ok? Show some compassion, because if he backs off from us lefties for even an instant, he's liable to get beaten and butt-raped by his daddy.

I didn't. *shrug*. Stop being so overly sensitive while telling others they are. "Pseudo-neocon" means that I think you're posturing as one. I find it hilarious you are trying to assign a negative connotation to that, while throwing around "lefty" as if it's a "bad word". Oh please don't use dem bad werds no more!!! It burns us!

Ummm pot... kettle would like to say hello. I answered the question posed in the original post. You know, rather than strutting around like you do, chest puffed out, babbling non-think concepts that make absolutely no sense to a rational person, and who doesn't have a itchy trigger finger. Besides, hypocrite, you're making up rules for "How America works" yourself. I am simply stating how I think it should work, which is what was solicited by the OP. Can you handle a different opinion than your own, even when someone asks for it? Apparently not, and that is characterized by your incredibly lackluster debate method.

Oh I understand. WMDs!!!!! Saddams EV0L!!! Yeah, Colin and his "proof" pictures! Yippee! If you don't know that this is just one of a series of steps that this group of conservatives want to take (think PNAC), then you're blind. If you do realize this, and agree with it, then you're just a warmonger.


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You're the one who introduced the concepts of good & evil, and hate, not me or anyone else here.

If you think that people hate you because they may vehemently disagree with you, then the problem lies with you, and your inabilty to see the world in any other shades than just black & white. I don't "hate" America. That's just your stunted ability to see things outside your own narrow field of view leaking out again.

Bush and his cronies in the military-industrial mafia are bloody warmonging baby killers.

If George W. Hitler had sent some pretty flowers to Hussein and Bin Laden and perhaps had offered Laura, Jenna and Barbara as a show of good faith in order to get those kindly gentleman to remember that it is best to make love and not war, we would not be in the mess we are today.

My momma always told me to smoke weed, make love and when I would wake up, everything would be alright.

And that is all I have to say about that.

Hahahaha, and suddenly Weedy shows up and makes all of you look like moderates. Awesome.

How many Iraqi civilians would have died if we left Saddam in power? Oh yea, his murdering doesn't matter to you, right? He should be allowed to kill as many people in his country that he wants, right? Now you'll call me a troll for pointing out the stupidity of your position.

People like you telling me to quit posting will only make me post more. What is your point, that you believe in silly conspiracies because you can't be bothered to learn truthful information? Haha, good point.

Haha, another lefty making up weird stories so they can dismiss me. "Everyone ignore the person that is saying things that make sense!"

Ah, hope. There are people here that aren't lost in the hippy wilderness. Hooray.

Lies. I never called you a troll. Don't put words in my mouth.

Since when did you ever care about Iraqi's in the first place?

Lame excuse to bolster a weak point.

But, but, but Weedy! Our kids ARE SAFER now that we've turned Iraq into the new Vietnam quagmire and terrorist hangout!

Don't you get it? We made America and the rest of the free world safer by making terrorists even more angry and determined than they already were! I mean come on, forget about Madrid, Bali, and London! Those attacks would have happened anyway, plus they weren't on American soil, so eh, who cares, right?!

Now, if we could just get that hot babe Anne Coulter to pose for Playboy!

More mind reading. How do you know how much I care about people? You're just avoiding. Your position is that you would rather see Saddam continuing to torture and kill his own people than have the adults of the world deal with the problem. That's sad.

My point is weak? I'm not the one that wants to let people rot under a dictator. That's you.

Hahahahahaha, moderate "Nolan". I guess your "I'm a moderate" bullcrap works with people that don't know anything.

Iraq isn't Vietnam. If you knew anything at all about Vietnam or Iraq, you'd see that. But for the hippies, Vietnam is the only war that ever happened. I guess because they feel like they "won" that war by forcing the US to abandon poor south Vietnam. Good job guys.

Yea, we made the terrorists even madder. After 9/11, we should have just done whatever they wanted us to do, so they would be our friends. Then our problems would be over. Hahaha, it still amazes me that people still think that way. So weird.

Anorexia Nervosa is a mental illness, as this republican pundant can attest.

Look kid, you don't recognize war to achieve political, strategical, and natural resource objectives at all do you? That IS the legitimate comparison I am making here. I know more of the history of Vietnam than you probably ever will.

Your glorious leader strutted around HOW long ago claiming that this war was over? And yet, we've suffered higher casualty rates after he did so. Go figure. How many more Iraqis and US troops will have to die before you pull your head out and realize that this is not going to end well or anytime soon?

Moderates should be angry about this war. If they're not, they're not moderates. This war is anything but moderate. It's as extreme as the fundamentalism we're supposed to be fighting against.

You don't think I am a moderate? Ask some hard left leaning folks on this board about the debates I've had with them in the past.

As for you, I no longer have the time nor energy to waste on your assinine posturing. You know absolutely nothing about politics beyond wrapping yourself in a flag and screaming "GO TEAM AMERICA GO!".

Hahaha, you sure do know a lot about war. Every war that has ever happened has been to "achieve political, strategical, and natural resource objectives". You and the rest of the hippies just like to pretend that Vietnam was the only war that has ever happened, because you feel like you had a part in making the US lose that war. That's something to be very proud of, right?

Ah, whining about Bush's declaring that the end of major combat was over. It was, Baghdad fell, Saddam was no longer in power. You pretend that he meant "Now America's job is finished", which he never said or implied. You do that because you despise him because he's a Republican, hippy.

Right, the war is extreme. That's why Clinton attacked Iraq several times. He's also an extremist, right? You're just silly, and it's really weird that you truly believe you are a moderate. You're a hippy man, just accept it.

I'm glad you're finally getting tired of getting smacked around by me. Go off with Taco and argue with people that are closer to your level. I am way out of your league.