Kansas School Board gets the boot

Condescension is a way of being rude, Kevn.

So why not offer other alternatives? Are there any? Please... enlighten us.



Then please tell me why you accused ME of being an alt of Finning... and, by your logic, Ulrika? Because I agreed with him? Please... I'd LOVE to hear this.

Please provide examples when making an accusation. If you wish, of course.

The only other theories I know about are things like aliens landing and terraforming the planet and dropping off people, and that sure isn't very likely.

If you don't want people to jump to creationism, give us some alternatives that we can talk about.

I find telling people how to argue to be intimidation... isn't that how it goes?

Sorry, I was only trying to make a point. Please accept my apology. To an atheist it's not a fact. They won't accept the BOM as evidence that Mormonism is fact.

The theory of Intelligent Design doesn't look to the Bible or even a God of the Bible. It's just a theory that intelligent being/s set this all in motion to allow for our existence. The being/s could be anything you can imagine or even can't imagine.

As far as what is likely.... abiogenesis is not likely at all. Nor is human's evolving from lower creatures.

We can discuss exactly that, which is Scientology, but we'll get sued for it.

Intelligent Design and Evolution are actually compatible.

It's just htat most Creationists somehow exclaim that I.D. = Creation I.D. Mostly because a Christian pseudoscientist cooked up the idea.

I have such a hard time trying not to post mean things when you say things like this Kevn.

In an attempt to get religion backdoored into schools.

It's disgusting.

Thank you for keeping your cool. Remember, life would be boring if we all agreed on everything.

Evolution is a big issue in the States, and most don't believe in it. So it's only right both sides be present.

OK I almost fell out of my chair laughing hysterically at that.

You really believe Creationists are a MAJORITY?

Hate to break it to you but Evolution is pretty much the accepted explanation for the modern state of affairs, all the billions of years of it.

Did you actually just say that most don't believe in it??

I know a lot of people in RL... and I don't know a single one that doesn't believe in evolution. I also don't know a single one that thinks Intelligent Design is worth more used TP.

It's actually a fact, look at this:

"CBS) Most Americans do not accept the theory of evolution. Instead, 51 percent of Americans say God created humans in their present form, and another three in 10 say that while humans evolved, God guided the process. Just 15 percent say humans evolved, and that God was not involved.

These views are similar to what they were in November 2004 shortly after the presidential election. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/22/opinion/polls/main965223.shtml

But I REALLY want that one to be true

Actually, Kevn's right on this. Gallup came up with similar results, though more detailed.

http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/current/creation/evol-poll.htm

Gallup went more in-depth, apparently they have tied people who don't believe in evolution to be admittedly undereducated on it, if not so in general.

So congrats, Kevn, your attempts to make our children dumber in schools seems to be working ;P

Its really easy. Just ignore anything that doesn't support your pet theory. That's what the creationist do.

Of course they spin it that way. But what it really reflects is that those who are heavily indoctrinated by the liberal universities are much more likely to believe in this story of how humans came to be.

Some of these people weren't old enough to be in a university.....unless you're including the public school ssytem.

And it's not really a matter of spin.

Most of the people who said they don't believe in it at all said they know little about it. That flatly indicates a failure to educate. Knowing little about it likely means 'Man came from monkeys" and that's not even accurate.

Most people don't understand how a wide variety of things work. Most people have no clue how an airplane stays in the air. Most people don't care why they do. Pretty much the same thing goes for evolution. Most people *might* have heard of it from high scool science class, but even if they have they've never thought about it since then. Yet at the same time they hear about how god created man all the time in church. Call them up at random and ask them about evolution/creationism and chances are good that they've never thought about it. Then ask them to pick one and you can figure out what the poll results will look like.

Does it sadden me? Yes. Does it suprise me? No.

I accept that the Book of Mormon is evidence that The movement of the Church of Latter Day Saints (mormonism) is a fact - The events depicted in that book are fiction. Their belief is fact - the things they believe in, fiction. I can make this distinction, and it seems you can't.

Eeeexcept that Intelligent Design is Biblical Creationism with "Creationism" redacted and "Intelligent Design" put in its' place - as demonstrated by publicly available documentation, including the various revisions of the textbook "Of Pandas and People" and the publicly available "Wedge Document" - the propaganda that "Intelligent Design" is independent of Biblical Creationism, was struck down in the Kitzmiller vs. Dover School District trial in a District Court of the United States.

There you go, lying again. Can you tell me which number Commandment you are breaking by bearing false witness - without googling for it?

We're still waiting for you to deal with the fact that you're denying your Saviour publicly and demonstrably.

Or perhaps people who have attended college/university can actually look at the publicly available facts for themselves, apply reason, and come to the same conclusion?

Yes, being able to use reason is "indoctrination".

The wonderful thing about reality is that it is immutable -- whether you believe in the Theory of Evolution or not, evolution happens. Just like gravity happens with or without your belief. And your version of "both sides" would mean Science (side 1) and Religion (side 2). Religion belongs in a comparative religious studies class, not in a science classroom.


Or just maybe, once an intelligent person (like a college student) is shown the evidence and has the theory explained, a lightbulb goes on and they realize that it explains things very well without challenging their religion. Moreover, they realize that there really isn't any other rational, workable explanation that covers the fossil record and genetics like ToE does.

Those who want to cover their ears and yell "lalalala" will never have a chance to know just how much evidence they're dismissing and how utterly, absolutely wrong they are. That's a crime.