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Liberal or Conservative?

lana Birdbrain
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08-01-2006 20:48
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44
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Lo Jacobs
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08-01-2006 21:06
From: Fmeh Tagore
There are things that society as a whole believe are wrong, primarily because these things remove the right for someone to make their own decisions--rape, murder, and child molestation. These things all disallow the recipient from making their own decisions, murder being the ultimate in this. These sorts of things can be broken apart logically as to why people consider them wrong. If the only thing someone can say is wrong about something is, "Well it's just nasty" or "It's just wrong" or "My religion says so", then believing that is wrong is a bigoted belief--and again, there's nothing wrong with believing that, but to claim that it's not bigoted is false.


I would also like to note that I am not anti-Christian at all -- nor am I anti-religion.

It's just when (mostly) Christian groups claiming to be family-oriented pressure companies like Ford to stop advertising in gay magazines -- and the fact that our own president wants to keep gay people from getting married -- that bothers me.

I am not interested in turning this into a gay debate -- I am merely pointing out that, thankfully, LL does not subscribe to this behavior. Which may make it seem more "liberal" to some people.
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Vares Solvang
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08-01-2006 22:05
From: Alex Fitzsimmons


...I'm inclined to believe that a ruling class is necessary -- a good ruling class, however, as opposed to the robber-barons and corporations (truly the worst things ever to exist, those) of today...


There is no such thing as a good ruling class. It's human nature to abuse power, no matter how good your intentions where at the start. Look at the history of communism if you want proof.

Of course, you could just make me Empress of the World and I will fix everything for you, if you like. :)
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Arthax Bachman
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08-02-2006 00:08
Libertarian/Conservative here.

Bush is too far to the left for me, and he has too little regard for the Law and the Constitution. Sometimes I wonder if he's even read it.
Ramus Overlord
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08-02-2006 01:10
Moderate Conservative checking in. Which may be a bad thing to admit seeing some of the threads i've read here.
Alex Fitzsimmons
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08-02-2006 01:17
From: Vares Solvang
There is no such thing as a good ruling class. It's human nature to abuse power, no matter how good your intentions where at the start. Look at the history of communism if you want proof.

Of course, you could just make me Empress of the World and I will fix everything for you, if you like. :)


I'm not ... sure that I agree with this, although the discussion of how one could possibly go about crafting a reasonably reliable ruling class really belongs elsewhere, as it would be very involved, and I can't say honestly that I have anything more than some general ideas. I can say with a fair degree of certainty that probably the only thing that could possibly be worse than the "mob rule" of a true democracy is the corporate oligarchy/facism thing we have going right now.

I'll freely allow that it's a difficult thing and that it might even be an intractable problem, but I'm not quite ready to say that it is. I will say that if you don't put someone solidly and permanently in power (really in power) to begin with, someone also will eventually seize power anyway, and generally, anyone who would move to seize power is going to be the last person you want in that position. That, at least, is what has always happened.
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Lianne Marten
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08-02-2006 01:54
Eco: -6.13
Soc: -6.21
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Devlin Gallant
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08-02-2006 12:51
I am a hardcore member of the Apathy party.
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Hypatia Callisto
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Join date: 8 Feb 2006
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08-02-2006 13:16
Economic Left/Right: 3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.15

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=3.25&soc=-2.15

as expected when I've taken this test before. Moderate Libertarian

From: Alex Fitzsimmons


Edit 2: Fun surprising fact: Despite my results, I loathe democracy as a system of government. Not that it has ever existed (it hasn't, save in name), but I would fight to the death against it. Frankly, the average idiot on the street has no business making any political decisions whatsoever, even in part.

I'm inclined to believe that a ruling class is necessary -- a good ruling class, however, as opposed to the robber-barons and corporations (truly the worst things ever to exist, those) of today. Anyway, in the short run, none of this matters. It might in the long run, after the chaos dies down, along (literally) with our overpopulation.


your results and your opinion seem very consistent to me. Democracy lovers tend to be us economic "right winger" libertarian folk :P


From: VolatileWhimsy Bu
i took the test.. i dont' know what to think... I am concerned.. I am supposed to be a mean conservative

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.59


Your response is not too untypical of many "conservatives" who haven't sat down and logically examined their economic positions thoroughly enough. Could be some protectionist sentiment there, which is decidedly left economically, though it may still be a "conservative" view in many quarters.

"Conservative" does not necessarily equal "Economic right". :)
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Arthax Bachman
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08-02-2006 14:16
I gave up on the Political Compass test on the first page, reason being that the writer of these questions is hopelessly biased.

Do I think globalization should benefit corprorations or Humanity? Well, it should benefit both, but that's not a listed choice on the test.
Corporations are made up of people like you and me, after all.
Hypatia Callisto
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08-02-2006 14:36
From: Arthax Bachman
I gave up on the Political Compass test on the first page, reason being that the writer of these questions is hopelessly biased.

Do I think globalization should benefit corprorations or Humanity? Well, it should benefit both, but that's not a listed choice on the test.
Corporations are made up of people like you and me, after all.


It's not biased at all, you miss the point.

The test is measuring your reactions to questions, that's all. There are many slogans on the test designed to elicit a strong partisan response. That's not the only obvious slogan on the test either, they are all over the test, from across the political spectrum.

I don't have strong opinions for or against globalisation, like you I have a nuanced view and saw it as the slogan it is - I gave it a very moderate response. The test scored me accurately.
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Jonquille Noir
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08-02-2006 15:37
We must have been separated at birth.

From: Devlin Gallant
I am a hardcore member of the Apathy party.


From: Jonquille Noir
And for my own view... I'm a diehard party-line Apathetic.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-02-2006 16:09
From: Alex Fitzsimmons

Edit 2: Fun surprising fact: Despite my results, I loathe democracy as a system of government. Not that it has ever existed (it hasn't, save in name), but I would fight to the death against it. Frankly, the average idiot on the street has no business making any political decisions whatsoever, even in part.

I'm inclined to believe that a ruling class is necessary -- a good ruling class, however, as opposed to the robber-barons and corporations (truly the worst things ever to exist, those) of today. Anyway, in the short run, none of this matters. It might in the long run, after the chaos dies down, along (literally) with our overpopulation.


did you ever do time in uniform? If you did, let me guess officer?
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Alan Barbecue
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08-02-2006 18:27
My official results, which put me more moderate than I used to be but still firmly in the camp of "Do whatever you want to yourself or in your home as long as I'm not the one paying or suffering for it" :^).

Economic Left/Right: 4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97
Devlin Gallant
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08-02-2006 20:50
From: Jonquille Noir
We must have been separated at birth.


Sorry, didn't read the whole thread.
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Darron Turner
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08-02-2006 21:24
Liberal..
Selador Cellardoor
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08-03-2006 03:28
Economic Left/Right -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -6.1

I seem to be good buddies with the Dalai Lama. :)
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Lucifer Baphomet
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08-03-2006 03:39
Heres me.
I did a similar testm, with far more questions a few years back, and ended uop in much the same place.
Nothing i wasnt aware of, as I'm a lefty anarchist.
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Selador Cellardoor
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08-03-2006 06:12
Lucifer,

Yes, it's odd that you go to all that trouble to be told something you knew anyway! :)
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-03-2006 06:13
From: Lucifer Baphomet
Heres me.
I did a similar testm, with far more questions a few years back, and ended uop in much the same place.
Nothing i wasnt aware of, as I'm a lefty anarchist.

hmm sorry but the name Lucifer kinda gave that away :D
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Kiamat Dusk
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08-04-2006 04:24
From: Kendra Bancroft
staunch conservative here...and damned proud of it!



That's my woman right there, dammit! :D

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Kiamat Dusk
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08-04-2006 04:31
From: Alex Fitzsimmons
And I'm (unfortunately) an American myself, so I'm sure you can guess how much I just love my (Nazi-like) country! ;)



There is a very simple solution to your problem, Alex. You see, as much as you'd like to believe, America is not a police state; you're free to leave anytime you like. So here's what you do: Run-don't walk-to the nearest embassy of the country of your choosing and apply for citizenship. Then renounce your American citizenship. Finally, once all this is done, IM me IW and I will personally buy you a one way ticket to your new home.

This is not a joke.

-Kiamat Dusk
...travel agent...
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"Anger is a gift." -RATM "Freedom"

From: Vares Solvang
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Selador Cellardoor
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08-04-2006 06:34
From: Kiamat Dusk
There is a very simple solution to your problem, Alex. You see, as much as you'd like to believe, America is not a police state; you're free to leave anytime you like. So here's what you do: Run-don't walk-to the nearest embassy of the country of your choosing and apply for citizenship. Then renounce your American citizenship. Finally, once all this is done, IM me IW and I will personally buy you a one way ticket to your new home.

This is not a joke.




People who say, "If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" tend to have very simplistic minds.
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Kiamat Dusk
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08-04-2006 08:49
From: Selador Cellardoor
People who say, "If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" tend to have very simplistic minds.



Take a close look. She didn't say she was upset at the current administration, or this law or that law-she clearly expressed a desire to not be an American. Moreover she has repeated her dissatisfaction at being American in one form or another all over these forums. I'm merely pointing out that there is a remedy to be had.

But I suppose it's easier to write someone off as simple minded than risk engaging in rational debate.

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"Anger is a gift." -RATM "Freedom"

From: Vares Solvang
Eat me, you vile waste of food.
(Can you spot the irony?)

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Garoad Kuroda
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08-04-2006 16:35
I know I've taken this before...

http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-3.63&soc=-1.33

Economic Left/Right: -3.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.33
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
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