unbelievable

This message has been deleted i will never try a forum again i have learned my lesson.

Cheerio then.

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that one?

Have fun in redlightcenter.com.

See ya.

I stopped reading right about there... I know you're mad and all but paragraphs, my friend, paragraphs. (=_=)y

I think you should recheck your facts. If you really think that laptop has a removable video card then get a hold of Gateway for a list of newer video cards that will fit in it. Very few laptops have upgradeable video cards.

I also find it hard to believe you updated your video card drivers without knowing what video card you have....... Drivers are specific to the model of the video card.

The reason RLC works it because the 3D engine is not nearly as demanding (yes I have played it) as SL's.

Also note these people in this forum are volunteering their time. No one is paying them to give you a professional response. Your laptop is simply not going to cut it for SL. Be as mad as you want but nobody can fix that with any other answer.

You can use the Quick Links near the top right of the forums to view your profile.

On your profile you will have a link to find all of your posts.

If your thread was in your subscribed threads list, and you could go to it , then it wasn't deleted.

If you want people to be able to help you here, you have to provide detailed, accurate, specific information about your computer system.

You are asking for help with a technical problem in a technical help forum. Your answers might well need to use technical terms. If you want to make use of the answers then you can either learn what the terms mean by asking what they mean or looking up the terms you don't understand on the web.

You need to state accurate and complete specifications for your system. I don't believe there is such a thing as "Windows Vista 2000".

I think you would do well to find someone in person that understands computers better and communicates better in the forums to help you out.

Some of the questions you need to provide accurate and complete answers to include:

Exact model of computer. Not just "Gateway", which is a brand name, not a model name, but the exact model name and number. You may have a label on your computer with identifying information. Copy the entire label in your response if you can't tell what parts of it you need to post.

Exactly what brand and model name and or number of video card or onboard video processor are you talking about?

Exactly what version of video drivers are you using?

How much ram does your system have?

How much video ram does your system have.

What operating system are you using?

You might possibly be able to correct your problem by updating your video drivers.

The general method for updating video drivers is:

1. Once you've indentified the brand of video processor your system is using, go to the website of the company that makes that brand of video processor and look around the site for for links such as drivers, download, support, etc. until you find the drivers for your video processor. Download the drivers and note where you saved them to. Read any instructions on installing the drivers and bookmark the location of the instructions. Copy the text of the instructions and paste them into a text file on your hard drive if you want. Make sure that you download the correct drivers, since there will probably be several to choose from.

2. Uninstall your current video drivers.

3. Reboot

4. If Windows does a "new hardware has been detected, would you like to install it?" sort of thing, tell it no.

5. Install the new drivers according to the instructions you found on the site you got the drivers from.


It's entirely possible that your system just doesn't run SL. You said your system was "Windows Vista 2000", is that really meaning Vista or is it really meaning Windows 2000?

Your posts would be likely to be easier for others to read if you would put some space in them, some blank lines between sentences.

If you can get someone in RL who is technically inclined to help you out that would probably work best.

Bravo SuezanneC!!!

I get in trouble everytime I spout off like that...guess a join date of 2003 helps.

Any office machine can handle Redlight centre, SL is the highest demanding MMO on the planet graphics wise. Withou stating any specs on your machine it's not possible to say whether it's compatible or not.
And if you can't afford to upgrade to XP then, you are probably out of the race for a good graphics card anyway. 8-10 year old operating systems like Win2000 and Win98 aren't going to keep up with it as the makers no longer support them with drivers and updates.
Lapops in general are limiting, they get hotter and have less expansion options, I am still using a 4yo desktop case, but it's it's 2nd motherboard/CPU upgrade inside.

Is this the thread you said was deleted?

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And I suppose I'm the one who confused you.....sorry about that. But, really all I asked was sort of basic stuff that one should know about their own computer.....or, at least, be able to find out. And we still don't even know what operating system you are using.

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That wasn't spouting off at all. That was a thoughtful and helpful response. I provided a list of what info is needed to enable people to offer useful advice. I made a suggestion on writing style. I gave instruction on how to update drivers. I suggested that real world help might be more effective than going it alone in the forums. None of that is spouting off.

Keira already posted a link to the other thread in the second reply.

We are not lying to you, it's not like we don't want you in SL, we need all the real people we can get, but you can try as humanly as possible but if the tool you are trying to use isn't up to minimum requirements for the job, you won't succeed.
Windows2000 is no longer supported by SL, so hence if you don't run Linux, XP or Vista you are "out of the race" on that before you even consider graphics cards.
And the little misconception you have there is that SL is a "simple virtual world". it's not, it currently rates as the most complex virtual world in existance and increasing in complexity, we would be interested if you can name a more complex one. There is no one in SL who knows how it all works, not even the Lindens, after 2 years, even most of us are still learning and it keeps evolving and changing, if it didn't well it would be a boring dying "simple virtual world" and about as good as Active Worlds or There, or IMVU.

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well a 200m is less than a 320m so...

also your babble is really confusing blob of ranting text, and random crap facts, like this thing was made in the year 2000, when it clearly was not, you dont know which os you have, is it 2000 or vista? shit it has a FULL SCREEN GRAPHIC when you boot telling you,

but yet you insist you have a "card",cause you apparently know it all now, well unless your laptop has a monitor port that pulls out to be a box about the size of a paperback book you dont its a chip soldered to the mainboard, and a quite craptastic one at that

course it would be SO easy to flip the damn machine over and PROVIDE A MODEL NUMBER but were past that now

good day

Well...that can be turned off..benefit of the doubt... (That's all I could think of to add)

I see from digging through JIRA that at least some people can run SL with this chipset.

See http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3362 Well, mobility edition but pretty close. Catalyst 7.11 driver set is mentioned there as at least mostly working.

Well the question about the operating system is answered here.

The problem, Michael, is that your graphics card is not good enough. You will need to take your laptop back to the place where you got it and ask them if they can upgrade it for you. It may or may not be possible to do that. Some laptops can be upgraded, some can't.

Cool now we have more info, we may be able to help, your operating system is Vista that is fine, XP is older than Vista and although more popular and stable, there's probably no point going backwards, unless you could get a cheap copy of XP off Ebay or something but that's only a chance ait might work. The graphics card is under specifications, so even if you do get it to work it may be unstable, poor performance and could refuse to work at any new viewer release anytime, doubling your memory from 1Gb to 2Gb would help performance if you could get it to work at all.
You can try this RealXtend viewer instead, it's run by a company working for a Company called OpenLife running parallel to SL, I can log into SL with it, if you look at the CONNECT TO options it shows SecondLife as an option, I haven't used it a lot, and it has crashed on me, but maybe it will work for you as it is less graphics intensive. Maybe Kirstens Viewer on the same site might have SL options too.

Your card IS a integrated graphics card--meaing it is integrated onto the motherboard. If it is a new laptop they may exchange it for a more expensive model with a higher end graphicas card. Has nothing to do with Vista.

Welcome to Linden Lab's forum I could see you are new here just from the fact something like this surprises you on this forum and service. If you hang around here a little more you will notice this is a blessing compared to other things you will come across with Second Life and especially LL, so prepare for the unseen.

Sadly I don't know exactly what to say on the issue other then the fact SL needs modern hardware to run and there are tons of people complaining they have problems as the client doesn't run on older computers and is incompatible with some older hardware (LL has their businesses too). Make sure you have the latest drivers, but you may have to upgrade your video card to get it to work. Wish you good luck though.

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Lets be honest here... with the system spec failure % that you have, I fail to see why you expect to be able to play/use SL.

SL is itself a cutting edge platform, it is very graphics intensive and requires a minimum spec to be able to function. It is the same principal if you make a website with flash and expect everyone to have flash pluggin installed. Some corporate intranets do not allow downloading and installation of pluggins, so you loose a % of users. SL is not a 1990's website.

May I suggest, to make your posts more consumer friendly, you use punctuation and paragraphing.

You said 'Also id love to upgrade to XP because from what ive heard its more stable with SL but i also know its expensive' yet your system specs posted say you have Vista?

There is a cut down client programme that allows you to connect to SL so you can contact your friends and give them your 'Sims on line username', or email address so they can stay in contact with you. It has no graphic front end and would perhaps suit your current system specs perfectly.

To be honest, reading people whinning about how their unsupported system can't run SL and I'm not talking about people who have genuine issues, that require a single component or driver update, is pitiful. It is akin to the average car driver complaining that they cannot compete in Nascar.

im not sorry i was snippy

1) learn what the space bar and enter key do

2) you didnt know you had vista or windwos 2000? it has a full screen graphic, and tells you in about 12 dozen places

3) even when asked repeatedly for specs or a model number, you JUST now took that 4 lb notebook and flipped it over

4) this notebook started production alittle over a year ago, you cant remember last year form 8 years ago?

5) im finally glad you know what to do, it only took you 3 threads and 2 weeks to get it thru your head

6) and i doubt you truly appreciate it, you havent in any other thread where you whine about this

sheesh

This trend started about a month ago. Or at least that is when I started noticing it. I contribute it to LL opening up the forums to no payment info on file people (the ones who have yet to contribute a single dime to the game). I'm not going to get into that whole NPIO vs anyone else thing........but I've noticed a fair percentage coming here lately with that "tag" are really demanding, indignant, rude and/or hostile. From their inital post in a thread it's very obvious they haven't even browsed the forums for possilbe issues relating to theirs. And it takes people who only want to offer some possible solutions trying to drag information about their systems so we can het a clue on where to even start. And then we get told we are "snippy" for telling them nothing can be done without information........hell, just go back and read the initial post the OP made for this thread (talk about snippy.....well, if you can decipher the post anyway).

Then when a week later they finally post something about their system it turns out they are using some crap computer with next to nothing graphics........we all wasted time trying to help. And they get indignant.........wow!!

If you need help, ask. But also think........."Gee, maybe people need to know what I'm trying to use to access SL!" A thread with the title "unblievable" that carries on for what should have been three or four paragraph, but typed as a single sentence........giving no information about their computer is really hard to respond to. We ask for specs......and get nothing back except "I can't get SL to work". From now on I won't even respond in those threads......I'm tired of prying information out of people asking for help.

Give us information. And don't demand we fix it for you......we can't even if we wanted to. Be polite......no one here is on LL's payroll. I like to try to help as do a number of others who frequent this forum..........but the only "pay" we get is the kind response when one or more us are successful.

And to Osgeld..............I feel your pain.

oh you should see the blob of text today (threat message #3, he's gonna get me banned forever!)

infact ill post them on my private site and send you the link in pm, since posting private messages on SL's forum is a no no

if anyone else is interested please pm me