Paradis is under construction

Er, why try to please everyone? Why not try to do something different? Try to please too many masters at once and you will please none.

I said everyone, not just all the masters.

reread my posts m8.

Try to please too many masters at once and you will please none is only an expression... It means you can't please everyone, you'll end up pleasing no one. It doesn't refer to actual Masters in the Dominant sense.

I agree with this.

I haven't read everything you have written, Corvus, but it does seem like you are trying to melt too many things together and you will end up with RP stew. I would pick the genre, concepts and rules that most excite YOU and run with it. Afterall, the success or failure of the project will hinge largely on what you put into it, in terms of creativity and committment over the long haul.

One of the great things about SL is that for something to be a success you don't need to appeal to tens of thousands or even thousands of players. If you develop a core of a few dozen people, that might be enough to sustain sim-sized project.

While roleplaying doesn't appeal to me I can understand why it appeals to others and I have seen some really interesting roleplay set ups.

I think though by reading the options in your poll you're setting yourself up for one big potential problem. What is the one biggest complaint about Goreans? It's predators, bad people who treat other people badly and get off on it. Now I have some friends who are Goreans so I know not all of them are like that, they just get a bad rap because of the ones who are. But there is a reason that the bad apples are drawn to things like Gor. In a place where a select few have absolute power over others you are BOUND to attract the kinds of assholes who really get off on that and make everyone else look bad.

While you may not have intended for your poll to be so focused on the concepts of slavery, it does come across that way. The moment you insititute slavery and punishments and control over others into your RP you are inviting the kinds of people who will take advantage. You're literally setting up the ideal environment for predators to have their fun at the expense of everyone else.

So what you end up with is...
1) a bad reputation among the rest of SL
2) people "running away" to escape what you've created
3) a situation in which you are constantly in conflict with the bad element, trying to get them out as more come in

Sound familiar? Sounds a little like the complaints people hear all the time about Gor.
Again, let me state, i have no issues with Gor or any other roleplay, lifestyle, preference, whatever. I'm only pointing out the inevitable similarities in what you are thinking of as an alternative.

WHat's really silly is how people freak out the moment RP slavery is mentioned.

"OHNOES! IF YOU INCLUDE IT IT'LL JUST TURN INTO ANOTHER GOR!"

Goddamnit, people. D/s was around a long time before Gor ever hit the scene. And just because it's present in a system, doesn't mean it's a focal point of it. With Gor, it IS a focal point of it.

in Paradis:

There is no mysogyny.

There is provision for abusive situations to be dealt with, and quickly.

The system functions just as well with slaves as it does without it, but limiting factors on RP are always a bad thing when it comes to restricting the RPer's options.

The system keeps the Servant and Slave castes very aware of the line between RP and RL and provides protection from abuse.

Since I put up that my rough draft outline was availible as a notecard, not one person who has jumped up and said "your RP will probably fail, and mostly because of slavery" has requested a copy of it.

I will say I've culled several things here and there, and expanded on others. If you look at this as a post-Apoc Elder Scrolls kinda thing, you have the right idea. Slavery EXISTS, but isn't a fundamental tenet of the society. I just devoted a lot of energy into its system to keep everyone safe.

The "Pet" Idea has merit. Considering that.

Slavery is evil, the greatest evil known to mankind. Anyone who supports it is evil and is to be reviled. Anyone who actually practices it is vermin, and should be exterminated with all possible prejudice.

Playing at slavery "for fun" does not make it any better, it just tells sane people what you fantasize about, and that you should be reviled.

Seriously, WTF are you even thinking here? Become a human being, please.

Noone's forcing you to be a part of the community.

Please, if you're not going to post constructively on these information-gathering and brainstorming threads, don't post at all.

Edit: Personal attacks are against the board policies you agreed to when you made a forum profile. They also kill any credibility you have.

Discussion of your plans is better suited for "Events Discussion."

That's not a personal attack. You can choose to be a free and freedom-supporting human or a slaver vermin. I'm just asking you to choose the former.

What destroys credibility is supporting the notion of owning another person. That's FILTH. If you had a single shred of decency, you would be ashamed and beg forgiveness for a temporary burst of insanity.

You wanted to know what people thought. Now you're unhappy with hearing what people think. Make up your mind. If you're just trying to make "Gor but without John Norman IP", say so.

As for your comment:


This is because civilized people are repulsed by your support of slavery, and want nothing to do with it. I certainly don't plan to visit a slaver.

Id say calling me vermin if I chose to own slaves is indeed defamation of character.

And, as I've said elsewhere, the presence of D/s does not make it a focal point of the entire RP. It IS a focal point in Gor. The slavery itself in Paradis bears little to no resemblance to Gorean slavery.

Edit: I'm not annoyed with seeing what people think. I am annoyed with people who get emotionally charged about simulated slavery, the same way I get annoyed with people who blame Grand THeft Auto for people being violent or D&D for people being rebellious.

If you use the A$ I'm leaving.

LOL hell no, no A$.

Way to understand figurative language.

I think it was the appearance of the term within the context of the argument.

yOu don't need RP for that. Just get a UFO and pimp around the maingrid!

I'd agree, in a real world sense. But in SL, the slave wants to be a slave. No one here has to do anything they don't want to.

And yeah, it still doesnt sound good, but still no worse than all the SL citizens who want to get it on with animals.

Will there be any events there?

Of course!

Will there be any discussion related to "Questions, ideas, and tips for managing and hosting Second Life events" in this thread?

In that it is discussing the setup of an ongoing rp event, yes.

Everything above you (except maybe your posts) have been discussion of the idea and setup

I disagree. I think ignorance is the greatest evil known to mankind. The inability to see, seperate, or acknowledge that there are seperate sides of an issue and viewpoints different from your own. The ability to arbitrarily condemn something as 'evil' simply because it does not agree with your own personal viewpoints. The inability to seperate fantasy from reality.

I would think someone that supported transhumanism (as suggested by your forum title) would understand that.

It is also suggested that ignorance is what originally lead to slavery in the real world. Roleplaying (particularly of this type) is the playground we use to be able to better understand ourselves and the world around us in a way that is safe and sane. Perhaps it could also be said that in roleplaying in a world such as this, not sanitized for the personal likes/dislikes of present day society, one can gain a better understanding of such things, which promotes knowledge instead of ignorance.

Paradis information is now availible on our forums at www.boards.godswitch.com. We're still hard at work!

Just wondering if this project is still active.

FYI: The link posted above to the forum is dead, but the forum can be found by removing "boards" from the URL. Not much of an update there either, though. Corvus?