Paradis is under construction

The RP system designed to provide an alternative to Gor, while being more inclusive for everyone, is now under construction.

Potential Paradisians, I need YOUR opinions, because this is OUR RP.

Today's poll concerns social classing and starting Laws. Obviously, social classing and RP has been a hot topic lately, and I want to make sure that this RP has something for everyone.

So tell me what you want in OUR RP. This, like the last poll, is multiple selection, and please include explanations.

I'd like to make clear that sex, while it is a portion of the poll, is an aspect of any society and does impact it, but is not going to be the single focal point of the RP. When I said something for everyone, I meant it.

Keep voting!

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/me spams the poll in confusion, choosing every option

Why does every roleplaying system need to have slavery? Very few RPGs in other settings include slavery. It seems like an odd thing to auto-include.

I'd really like to see 2 races that are unique and completely from/ only avaible from paradis, and have people ally from there(whatever they may be heh, but you've already said we're starting from SL's race diversity, not earth's). Nuterals should feel heat (though, not be put through anything) from both sides, pushing them to pick and not defect.

So maybe a class out outlanders, city dwellers and tradesmen. From there we can base laws on trade for each culture, customs for speaking business and breaking them results in labor (good RP element, and perhaps OOCly the incentive to RP this out is they get a city-sold only item((meaning, you wont see them on vendors outside the city)))

Too many, or too large of a fine (or one not paid back fast enough) results in slavery until the debts are paid, the laws would be designed to give the most risk and reward to the traders of in-city-money (and money is awarded for roleplay acts or donations to the city)

There'd be scandles too perhaps, a volenteer roleplay staff would set up crimes and such and try to get players involved (though, failure or success will largely fall on players, not the staff's flip of a coin)

Being part of the roleplay staff for two months rewards you with six city items, to be chosen at the end of the term, plus any help in setting up a building for a roleplay to take place.

Thieving could be done, scripted objects and a scripted bag and used in special houses.

Basically I am saying we need culture crimes, we need merchants that go back and forth to commit them, and we need city/ village crimes.

The fact that slavery is for a set period of time means that no one will stay a slave for very long, and masters/mis can end up as slaves too. This turn keystyle would keep it completely in roleplay for the most part. If they come across someone they really liked being paired with, I see no reason they couldnt discuss a partnership after the sentance ends.

I thought they paved Paradis, put up a parking lot?!@

I should have listed slavery as a punitive measure.


I think societies online auto-include slavery, because if they don't, the Goreans run off with half the people interested. Plus, whether we like to admit it or not, human beings get off on power, and the opportunity for power intices.

Ci is in the right mindset though. I'm using the info here to codex the law now. Keep voting everyone!

I wanna be an alien who abducts hapless suburban housewives and performs unspeakable experiments on them.

Maybe so, but I find slavery to be vile and reprehensible and unless there's some kind of revolutionary / abolitionist movement in there, I'll have to pass, sorry.

Jess

I'm saying that the concept is accepted by the "government" involved in the RP.

I'm not going to set out that there SHOULD be an abolitionist group involved or have any hand in creating it. I'm saying that if you joined it, you'd be free to make one, noone will stop you. Just remember that the city has laws, so if your protestors disrupted the activity of the city instead of simply exercising free speech, they might end up in trouble with the guard.

That fair enough?

What government? LL? Gor? McDonalds?

I think a lot of people will be turned off by ruleset that includes slavery. It seems like an odd choice for someone wanting to create an alternative to Gor.

Hm. I actually thought it was more for people who don't mind d/s in a roleplay environment, but want it handled in a much different way than Gor. There's no shortage of non-d/s RP environments out there, but if that's what you want to do, there's only one choice at the moment.*

But maybe I misunderstood?
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* eta... "only one choice at the moment that I know of. If someone knows differently, please say so!

It's a ruleset that includes provision for it, but it's not a cornerstone of it like in Gor. The society functions 100% if noone has a slave at all. But if someone wants to be one, or wants to be a master or mistress, it's a simple matter of a talk with a City Guard and the transfer of an object to symbolize the nature of the decision. Again, it's a matter of making something for everyone, and that means that you have to make a provision for things for everyone.

So, Lorelei, yes

The basic legal code is now ready. Slavery is included, but is by no means a cornerstone. Other laws, like public decency, building codes, etc. will be decided later, I just needed the fundamentals.

Hmmm. From the looks of those rules, I have to say it doesn't sound like the kind of role playing that I thought was being discussed.

LOL we're trying to address what EVERYONE wants. I just put this poll up to get some controversial nonsense done with, the rest of the laws are more function of the physical form of it all and societal balance and an easy call.

HOLY CRAP. I'm almost done....with the basics anyway.

Basically, I think pick your punishment should be there. Slavery can be avoided totally then by anyone who hates it.

Would we say that characters have levels and such, and death is possible (loosing a level for each death maybe?)

All crimes are cleared with each death, so your not killed six times by the guards.

(But if I understand you right, there is no "Forced slaves" even in roleplay, characters flag themselves as willing to be slaves, so if I'm not stupid its already like that )

Cilis - interesting idea all in all.

On regards to slavery, how about not calling it slavery as a start?

Lets face it: People who go and become submissive to doms in SecondLife are not doing it because they enjoy the concept of participating in a forced labor workforce - they do it to have sex or generaly do things in a D/s relationship atmosphere. Might as well get the terms right - this isnt slavery as much as owning intelligent beings as pets.

"this isnt slavery as much as owning intelligent beings as pets."

I'm in favor of this, actually - cuts down on litterbox training time.

Corvus, interesting idea.

There isn't only one choice.... Gorean roleplay is not BDSM or D/s, it merely contains some aspects of it. People participate in BDSM and D/s lifestyles all over the place both online and in RL. Except of course for the majority of them it is not a roleplay but instead a relationship style. There are also groups and clubs for people who are involved in or want to be involved in D/s relationships all over. My own SL partner/Master and I are officers of a group and are in the construction phase of a social club. For people who are into BDSM but not the roleplay of Gor there are lots of places to be... for example, Perilous Pleasures is one.
The dream I think Corvus is trying to make from what I can tell is all about roleplaying which is why he's not likely to get the D/s crowd but is instead more likely to actually end up with the Gorean crowd who just doesn't like Gor anymore. Though I could also be misinterpreting.

The only thing that seems hazy to me is my place in all this if I go to be a shop keeper or a guard for whatever faction.

If I go in as my cheetah self, am I going to shuffled into a role (mutant, barred from the city?)

If that is the case, do I at least get to defect should the game masters give an event allowing it?

Something I just thought of... How about a trade city where everyone is looked at with suspicion, mercs run the city and put down anyone causing trouble, and the best illegal arms, natural mutant made poisons, and armor can be found (for the RPG system)

Heck, maybe a single contested area for combat? players actually have to hold it to keep it open?

I've finished the basics. Race has no original stigma though I expect it to develop among Sectors. the City-State of Paradis WILL have sectors, each with a regent called a Patron or a Matron.

D/s is handled on a consentual basis and maintained by the City Watch. Basically I modified the idea of each person having a unique Citizen Gem. There are both the Indentured Servants, who have contracts defining the aspects of their servitude and its duration, and there are true Slaves, but true Slavery requires a slight process that ensures the person knows EXACTLY what they're getting themselves into.

D/s is present, but not key.

Gender means nothing, Race means nothing. I'm doing the entire system for being a Citizen of Paradis and we can do what is outside as an "expansion" once it's up.

The outline is availible on request, still hammering out small details.