Money Chairs - Your thoughts

Just curious, what are you thoughts on one of the newest things to hit SL. Money Chairs. Businesses use them to increase dwell. Many, many people only shop at places with large dwell assuming the dwell number is because of the popularity of the product being sold. Now the reality is the dwell number has nothing to do with the actual products being sold in the store. Not sure I like this fad.... what are your thoughts?

They do satisfy a need I guess, and dwell hasn't been accurate for a while as far as shopping when you have malls combined with clubs. Doesn't mean ppl are buying just dancing.

Being new, I really dont know how things were before chairs.

We make 250-350L a night, in chairs. Our shopping is governed by who has the best product, not by where people go the most.

Where are some good places to sit in money chairs?

wow, make your A$$ work for you without having to shake your moneymaker!!

They should make them Money Toilets... The Smell of Succsess!!!

Hahaha... hey, I'd be up for that. SL needs more good toilets. It could come with a humiliating corresponding animation too, and be placed in the open.

Eh I've never heard of a money chair until today, but when I shop I get what I want then leave to do other things. I have better things to do than sit in a chair for hours to get a few L$...

I have to admit, when I returned to SL after a 1,5 year absence I was wondering about the several new "how do I lure dwell to my land" constructions...

Personally, I wouldn't sit in them nor buy one nor display one.
Because I think that
a. sitting in a chair to receive a few L$ is ridiculous;
b. ofcourse the chair generates some dwell but I'd rather *earn* my dwell the "normal" way, which for me is designing and creating unique textures.

But, ofcourse, those who enjoy to sit in such a seat and get money for doing absolutely nothing.... have fun

Not to highjack this thread, but what also struck me when I got back : by the time I left there were big discussions about the event listing, and how there were so many games / contests and so little educational / historical / philisophical events. What did I see when I returned ? Slingo and tringo and yard sales... *sigh* Too bad.. !


Margeaux

It's the same as money balls at casinos in stead of making money with your dead ass you make money by licking balls.

the concept is the same, leave your AV in world afk while you go to work or go to sleep and run one of these programs available for download in this post.

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Get their early before all the seats are taken!!

I don't like the whole social situation. Dwell is reflects popularity, which is meant to be a guide to how 'worthwhile' a place is but of course this has been manipulated since the start with money balls/money trees. It's buying popularity, not earning it and it's made dwell pretty much a worthless indicator because X location is only popular for the AFK avs clustered around it's moneyball 24/7, not it's products.

I think the whole thing has had a big negative impact on the way SL works and a lot of the genericness and dullness of the grid traces back to this and other situations.

i agree......i would rather have my place known for the speciality items and quality of my vendors and its merits.... than to just fill the place with clutter and scams.... and in the long run i will still be here. when these others have gone and run out of. silly things to generate dwell.....

I used to go to casino's for the free money ball thing, as a newbie. I don't use the free money things anymore because, like Zsu, I found better things to do.

I've never sat in a money chair and I will not.

As for more educational/fun events, IM me inworld, I have created a group for those interested to find out where they are happening and when. The group is new and small, but I hope it will grow and become the place for announcements about other, better events...Please join me. Especially if you are one, like me, promoting educational, or other non-tringo/slingo/blood21 type events.

Money Chairs...hmmm I don't know how I feel about it. I was updating a store in a mall the other day and that's when I saw them. I asked what the people were doing, and the "host" said...testing something...when i realized you got money for sitting, i laughed...It is true that now you cant really tell if a place has a lot of traffic cause it's good or because people are being paid money to go...but that may be why the money balls and chairs are spreading like wildfire...everyone is trying keep up with the joneses...reguardless of how good their products are.

I went to have a look at a club the other day, and came across a group of people sitting silently in a circle. I thought at first they were meditating but then I realised they were sitting in money chairs.

The sight of all these people sitting silently cast a pall of gloom over the whole place, and I decided not to stay. I suspect that unless the sitters are hidden away somewhere they might have the opposite effect from the one intended.

One of my favorite places now crashes me constantly because of the lag brought on by all the chair sitters.

Needless to say, I'm not happy that a once cool hangout and fun place to take a date is now unvisitable because the sim owner decided his dwell wasn't high enough.

/sigh

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As someone who just wrote a moneychair script after realizing they seemed necessary, allow me to offer my 2 cents..

My better half and I own a small piece of land with a club and some shops. We've found the traffic rating system to be one of those things where "you need traffic to get traffic".. after a peak in our traffic, it goes down slowly until the next event since our name is higher on the lists thanks to the traffic.

The money chairs seem to change how fast the traffic drops off after a peak-traffic day. I've not asked the vendors around to see if they've noticed a change in their actual sales (since that IS the objective in my case), but hopefully after a while I'll have that answer and be able to post it.

One of the related issues to mention is the competition between areas and their methods to get the traffic that we all want. I've noticed there are a number of groups which seem to have 24/7 hosts for multiple games at once and are CONSTANTLY sending IMs to their group announcing things.. personally, I don't care for this, so it's a question of "without spamming my group, without hiring hosts to play games, what can I do to help keep my traffic up?" the answer I'm trying for now is the money chairs.

As for the issues with the truely idle campers who don't "contribute" anything other than the numbers.. I added a "visitor kick" option to my chairs so we get people who are watching the screen and know to sit back down.. personally, I find that it's no fun having campers who spend the night and don't offer conversation or other substance to the land.

I can't say I've noticed camper lag, although it could be that I don't think we've had more than 8 campers in a group at a time - most of ours have been nice enough to not be blingy or full of particle scripts when they idle with us.

Hopefully after having the chairs around longer and after getting our name on the map, I'll have actual results to share as to their good or bad effect as someone who has a few.

(thanks to only having "semi-active" or "active" people camping, I have to say we've met a number of fun people who have dropped by to sit.. and now many return and don't sit on the chairs, they just come to visit and this in itself has made it all worth it)

How much different is camping than having your avatar work.
I've already put in my two cents in another forum post about this. I am having trouble figuring out why so many don't get it.
Camping is just virtual work. Someone pays us to give them something over time.
I'm letting them use my avatar. They pay me for it. Simple as that. It add's up to be $77.01 a month in real cash. For one avatar to sit 24/7

As long as our avatars are worth anything to anyone. This will continue to be a "problem" if thats how people are looking at it.
Personally I don't see it as such. I think it could use better location so the lag is reduced. But that is yet to be seen.

In any case, to be mad at something like this is like being angry that jobs exist in real life.
If your existance is worth anything to others then you get payed for it.
Thats called a job.
Our avatars are worth something to another person. So its the same thing in that respect.

If that is taken away then another situation will appear where people need your existance and will pay for it in order to "exploit" something.

As I mentioned before in another post, where people complained about avatars dancing for money, maybe we should all be doing animations of work instead. Such as a in a factory setting for example. What would be the difference?
A factory is just nonsense in SL. We have no reason for it other than the concept of that idea.
Personally it pays for my interent and then some.
If I had to actually stay on the computer for the price I'm being payed for sitting on chairs. It would be worthless to me. I could make better money with a part time job.

If the work idea doesn't help. Then look at it as if I'm renting out my avatar to someone who needs it for traffic.
All that has really happend is now you pay for your "rating"
Is that not what businesses do in real life? You pay for your listing on a chart. Your advertisment. Everything.
It's turned the list into a realistic search engine. Which is what it's supposed to be in the first place. Just because there is a popularity rating doesn't mean its only for people with good products. Since when was that the case?

This has to be the typo of the year! Really made me cackle

I'm reporting it here, so no one accuses me of not reporting it:

Almost all money chairs have an exploit: If you sit in a chair, and then log out, you will get paid for the time that the chair remains empty after you log out. Could be a couple of minutes, could be hours. Its just a matter of finding a money chair that is unlikely to get filled as soon as it is vacant.

It is an exploit because you make money without doing anything, and without actually increasing the traffic of the lot.

Most money chairs use the "change" event to detect when someone sits down and stands up, and going off line does not trigger this event. Sure it can be fixed by polling requests to see if the person occupying the seat is still online, but with hundreds of chairs out there, it wont get fixed anytime soon.

I think the whole money chair thing is just silly.

Yeah the lot managers raise their traffic which results in higher weekly payments, and it is a simple job poor "basic" players can use to make a few extra lindens.

But this is about as exciting as reading books in TSO, and creates unnecessary lag on the whole server that these chairs are on. Surely people can come up with more exciting ways to draw traffic to their lot than this.

Meanwhile, I got rid of two of my stores in malls because they use these lag increasing, sales reducing chairs.

So, I'm not letting people know about this exploit to advocate stealing. I'm letting people know about this exploit in the hopes that lot managers will think twice before setting more of them up.

A changed event IS FIRED on logging off, even if you are autologged off (due to crash or inactivity).

Only way the changed event is NOT triggered is if the sim crashes, but any scripter worth his salt will have coded a fail safe for that.

Then that is not the bug, but I have tested the exploit using three different style money chairs on three different lots, and the exploit works.

My guess is that the scripts check for only sitting changes, and dont check for other conditions. Signs of a bad scriptwriter for sure.

Personally, I'm not keen on moneychairs.... however earn as you screw sexballs might be fun ... lol

It's nothing new.

In Sims Online, the whole idea of 'payouts' - ie giving you money just for being there, and bribing you to visit rather than providing a quality service - effectively screwed the economy and killed the game for many players.

Due to the use of 'bots' to create money (which is prohibited, by the way) people ended up making millions a day to buy their way to the top, with at times people paying visitors §1000 - §3000 for doing a money object where you may perhaps make §300 out of it yourself.

10 visitors x 15 an hour x §3000 ...... §450,000 paid out in an hour, when by playing the game yourself you could make §4,500 through actually playing. It doesn't take Einstein to work out that it's impossible to maintain that kind of expenditure without resorting to cheating in some form.

All I did was boycott places that did that, and found properties where the emphasis was on fun and entertainment, rather than how much I'd be paid for visiting the place.

Personally I think that any form of 'buying visitors' through bribes is an admission that you haven't got what it takes to be popular on your own through your own skills as designer, host, scripter, whatever. I'd rather have 5 visitors who appreciate my work, than 20 who couldn't care less what I've created as long as they get paid.

Lewis
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