Money Chairs - Your thoughts

you've not tested the money chairs where I go then

Agreed, I'm a former TSO player myself, and it is not that far away from happening in SL too. When it comes to online games CONTENT IS THE A-#1 BEAT ALL END ALL MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR OF SUCCESS!!

Money chairs are an affront to that. In a way Money chairs are an exploit of their own, they cheat the dwell payouts, and I would not be surprised to see Linden do something dramatic with those payouts if the problem gets too bad.

I have only been really active in SL for a couple of months, but I have been in online games since their inception. SL takes the philosophy, for better or worse, that the players themselves should create the content.

Lately, just for the heck of it, I have been hanging out at the crowded social clubs, they have live DJs (which can be expensive) and rolling contests all day 24/7. Now I know I will probably get sick and tired of these events within a month, but these clubs are providing CONTENT, and are popular for a reason.

I also go to the malls sometimes to see what the latest stuff is out in the market, or just go exploring to see what interesting builds people make. Not always interesting, but NEW is good.


Yeah, why not? I have already seen money dance platforms, no doubt money animballs, and money naughty animballs are soon to follow. If a land owner wants to create an "atmosphere" on their land, and pay random bystanders to maintain that atmosphere, then more power to them, again that is CONTENT.

Paying people to just "sit" is just insulting and unproductive. If you want to pay people to come to your lot, pay them if and only if they participate.

If you have a social club, it is not that difficult to create listening objects to detect who is actually socializing, so you can reward them. If you have a mall, the scanning tools in scripting do not only detect who is in your mall, but a script can be written to detect if they are moving from store to store, so you can reward shoppers rather than campers.

I had to laugh, ask my sl brother several times and shake my head so it allmost fell off when I heard he was camping for money

Like I've said in other posts, sl is too much about making money. Will this add to the diversity in sl? No. Will it enrichen your second life in other ways than receiving money for doing nothing? Propably not. Will Linden remove the traffic bonus because of this abuse? Propably.

What happened to exploring, having fun, contributing to the wonderful world sl once were supposed to be, meeting amazing new friends on your adventures, experience and creating things together, be amazed at what people are able to create, proudness of your own creations, learning new skills and develop your talents - and all the other things only a 3d world like sl can offer?

I wish all the campers lots of fun - cause with such a boring job, they really need happiness in their lives

They are sad.

I guess one benefit would be that now, when someone asks how I make money in SL... when I reply that I sell my ass, it doesn't necessarily have the negative connotations...

or does it?.....

They're more for us part-time players who sit our characters in the chairs while we have a life outside the game. I don't expect people who live their lives inside the game 24/7 to understand it, lol.

I'm brand new to SL and had assumed the money chairs/dance pads had always been around.

Overall, I'd say that they definitely cheapen the experience. As a newbie, the entire game feels like empty stores, people dancing on pads or sitting in chairs. It feels like a ghost town virtually everywhere but these highly concentrated camp zones.

The very first thing I did was camp out for awhile on some of these things because I figured thats the way newbies made money.

Given what -seems- to be the intent of rewarding popular areas, they seem counterproductive.

While updating vendors a few days ago, I noticed a line of people on the edge of the mini map and decided to check out what was going on. Well, the line of people, shown in the image below was people sitting in camping chairs or waiting to sit!

That was a few days ago. This exact spot is now listed in the top twenty popular locations (currently #10) because of the traffic, and the description claims to be the 'Best Mall in SL'.

This is nothing more than a con game. The only people who will rent there are the ones who don't understand how money chairs artificially increase traffic, compared to real traffic.

Experienced players/vendors won't rent there (unless they decide to see if people shop while sitting in chairs!) So, in the end, it hurts new content creators who think that these 'high traffic' malls will bring in sales. It's just another stumbling block to hamper the new content creators. But then again, sometimes we all have to learn things the hard way!!!

It's a dog eat dog world out there!

I love it! What's the going rate to queue up and wait to sit? Who's making crowd control posts? I want to see a queue of avs snaking through a sim. Can I get a speed pass?

I don't know, but when you are ready to get up, you can IM someone waiting and offer them your seat for a small fee.

Sweet! Ya gotta spend money ta make money.

Money being at the root of all that is useless in SL, I suggest the complete elimination of the L$...

Without any financial reward, the only motivation left is the challenge to surpass yourself in whatever activity you choose.

In no time, all parasitic lowlife coming here just to make the most money for the least effort will have disappeared, leaving us content creator to play with this wonderful 3D building platform that is SL, and share our hobby with like minded others.

Imagine only having to buy land from LL, not greedy landbarons...
Imagine no lag generating malls, casinos, and whatnot...
Imagine SL with 99% of present subscribers GONE!
Imagine the peace!

And for those who will argue that they make real money in SL; put your REAL skill to work in RL, maybe you will make MORE real money.... but I forget, if you are making real money by putting up malls, casinos and such, then maybe you have no skill in RL other than useing a $1000+ computer to generate pizza money.

I like to read the forums when I have the time.....I feel the forums are very interesting and alot of talented people are able to show what designs they have coming out and also, a place where people can express their views and make friends when doing that and carry on good conversations. But when people start complainng about things on SL that is so close to RL, it just takes the fun out of the game and alot of dissention (hope I spelled that right) between people. I usually don't voice my comment here, but read with enjoyment on what people have to say and not to say. I have to express my view on this one though. I personally don't think there is a problem with this "camping chair" fad. And that is really what it is right now. How long it will last???? Who knows, but if someone owns land and wants to put a camping chair on it, why not. It is their land and they can see fit what they want to do on their land. It is not like we have a homeowners associatiion here and have to follow strict rules. I believe in "RL" of homeowners association, but get real here....this is a game for all of us to enjoy. Sometimes we bring RL into SL and that is not what SL is......I love SL and enjoy the fantasy I have made my world in here. I have some good friends and even a partner, and he is the best friend I have ever had in a game and has become a good friend in RL. We come from different lives, and have separate lives, but are good friends. I think we need to stop complaining about things and enjoy the game for what it is for. One person mentioned in their profile, they earn their dwell and have no chairs....I think that is uncalled remark and people should get real and realize this is just a game. I think the chairs are great for newbies...gives them a little cash and I have no problem of them sitting in my chairs on my land and I even offer them free stuff around the chairs. Think about events and what people do to get people to come to those events....what is so different of having a chair there or paying people to come to an event with high dollars in prizes and such. So, people enjoy the game as a game and the good friends you have made on SL.....don't worry about what everybody else is doing......enjoy the wonders of SL......

First thing in response, I'm not flaming, I'm debating, so please don't take this personally. Now, in response:

1. Newbies are unfortunately not the only ones using this means to gain L$. If that were so, if all the "camp grounds" had a DOB limit built into the chairs, I truly would not have that much of a problem with them. I think we all know that there are alts, some of them more than likely well established residents with a "secure" income of their own, but capitalists all the same. Why pass up free money when you have an extra account and pc you're not using , log it in and let 'em sit. There's no interactivity requirements(such as those imposed by LL when events still received incentives by requiring there to be some sort of contest involved with said event in order to qualify) so all you need is a mouse mover (anti-idle) utility and you're set for the day.
   
2. The difference is interaction, socialization, community involvement. When you are enticed to an event by the opportunity to win an award by winning a contest, or game, or even by even much more camp like "money drops"most people know I am pro money drop interaction is still existent. Actual preperation and time must sometimes be necessary to achieve what it takes to "win" this award. Sometimes, ironically enough, when it comes down to a group contest that relies on member votes to find the winners, the winners are not always exactly falling within the exact confines of the description of the contest. Some are upset by what they call a "popularity" win, but realistically, wouldn't you rather have the winner be someone who is actively conversing and socializing than be completely self absorbed , or even afk. Remember, most group contests require you to vote to win, hard to do that if you're not paying attention.
   
3. Your last few words are my thoughts exactly, enjoy the game and the people. Get involved with the others around you, we are all of like mind in more ways than one, and already have so much in common just by being in SL at all. Reap the rewards that can be gained by interacting with the people around you, we only make this journey once in this lifetime, and the experiences you find here are not very different from real life. They strengthen your character, enhance your wisdom, add to your experience, and generally make you more than what you were. This is indeed a miraculous interface for human interaction and shouldn't be dulled by zombifying the majority of those in the most populated places in SL.
   

These dynamics all impact and react with each other in the most complicated ways, making one opinion never the only right one. I realize that some of tehse camping areas are social, and do have interaction amongst participants, there really is no fair way to say what's social and what's not. All we can do is state our opinions on the matter and wait for LL to analyze the impact and decide on its outcome. Just remember, the design of this interface for human interaction(SL) was focused(at least used to be openly so) on community involvement. That kind of gives me an idea of what's to come, but who can say. All I really know is this, Bad Girls will never become a guaranteed payment avatar "parking lot" So with all the most popular places in SL being overrun by this choice in ethics, I intend to draw those that still have the urge , need, and desire to party, mingle, and essentially enjoy some genuine entertainment with good people seeking the same

It seems that there are no more places to play Jack or Better and Joker Poker without dance pad and MAJOR lag. Such a shame to see people have to pay people to come to their land and pay them to go afk for dwell.

Okay, I'll bite. Here's to trying to keep this short.

Many of you who are complaining about this seem to be fairly young. You are forgiven. Those of you who've been around long enough to see What Came Before the money chairs, shame on you!

I'll fill you in. Before money chairs, before tringo and SLingo and card games, the events window was full of clubs. "Come dance the night away at <insert name here> $250 prizes for top female and top male, so come show off your <insert description here> outfits!" ... of course, those are the good ones. Most of the listings offered more money, more misspellings, more leet-speak, and many more exclamation marks.

The costume contests were fun, in my opinion. I like getting all dolled up. However, at this club, what do you find? Lag, afkers, lag, more lag, and a money ball keeping all the idlers there. The money ball paid out just like camping chairs except that it was 2-3 times the money and only went to one person at a time. If you start talking about dance pads instead of the actual chairs, there is no difference. I will pay you to stand on my land and shake your pixels, while the real activity (with people who are actually at the computer) goes on around you.

Of course, the way it is now people are less likely to get blinged up in hopes of winning "GURL WITH ThE MOSTE SHINNE!!!!" before they sit. Should we really complain?

It's just the latest fad, people. Relax. And no, don't expect Lindens to "take action" about the "exploitation". They didn't react to "24/7 money ball, AFK here while you go to work!", why would they react to this? People may do as they choose here, that's the beauty of our world.

Most places that I have found have a workaround for this and that is the kick off function mentioned earlier. That will trigger on scedule regardless of the log off. So at most you make the standard amoumt for whatever the owner has the time set to.