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Raudf Fox
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09-05-2006 07:05
Mia: Yeppers, it's a bug. I do hope Kelly didn't waste her holiday weekend trying to fix it! Fortunately, the preview grid is a place to catch this crude. I'm pretty sure they're going to either get it fixed or delay the update, because if it went to the production grid, *shudder* I'd feel for the Live Help, the people who read bug reports and the Support hotline. Some of the people are foul-mouthed screamer/ranters.

Shyotl: One of the things about the preview grid that has always entertained and frustrated me. It's full of bugs, but this time... the bugs are HUGE. I hope the developement team has some big boots for these puppies, because not only are the undies baked on, you have to log out and back in to see clothing changes. If you are trying to edit a part of the body, good luck, because the little example boxes for the sliders don't show the part to be changed half the time.


Oh, yes, this is probably the most bug ridden preview I've been on and all I've done is worked with the Edit Appearance and trying to put clothing on and take them off!
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Ranma Tardis
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09-05-2006 07:09
From: Jesse Malthus
Uh, Kelly Linden is a *GUY*, and LR has full controll over *their* world.
LR forcing everything to be PG is nothing to get litigous about.


Actually, it can be done. In any case I will drop Second Life like a sack of Garbage. I think most of the others will as well. Worried about the value of the Linden? Sims, Land and Lindens will have next to no value after PG SL.
Think about a world where the children are going nuts with their bombs and guns. No thank You! What will Linden Labs do with a thousand empty sims and one half of the mainland empty? Who is going to pay the bills, Phillip Linden?
Lewis Nerd
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09-05-2006 07:24
From: Ranma Tardis
What will Linden Labs do with a thousand empty sims and one half of the mainland empty? Who is going to pay the bills, Phillip Linden?


Perhaps it will draw in - or back - the many thousands of people who have been put off of playing Second Life BECAUSE of the sex and "adult stuff" here? I'm sure there are plenty who would give it another try if the game was cleaned up a bit.

You talk about "all the kids running round with guns and stuff" ... is the teen grid full of that, or are there people there like on the adult grid that manage to bypass all the crap and just get on and have fun socialising and building.

Lewis
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Ranma Tardis
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09-05-2006 08:26
From: Lewis Nerd
Perhaps it will draw in - or back - the many thousands of people who have been put off of playing Second Life BECAUSE of the sex and "adult stuff" here? I'm sure there are plenty who would give it another try if the game was cleaned up a bit.

Lewis


There has always been PG sims for those prudes that can not stand the thought of "naked" skin. I had a griefer should up on my land, in a mature theme private sim demand I put a shirt on. I was wearing a swimsuit at the time that would be acceptable anywhere in North America. The sim owner and myself went into a long series of how there are mature and PG sims and how this is a private sim. The responce was "why don't you people just put on some clothes?"
No, I can not see what happened in the preview sim as a accident or a bug. I think Linden Labs is preparing for Disney/Prudeland Second Life. This is a test of making our avatars wear clothing. I am lisening for a good reason why this happened from Linden Labs.
Vendetta Lowell
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09-05-2006 08:28
don't worry. I was stuck with a baked on outfit for a few days before....and just to let you know, the clothes like to finally vanish right when you teleport to another SIM. Needless to say, all of the wonderful people of Crimson Falls, weren't thrilled to see ALL of me. So be careful...
Raudf Fox
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09-05-2006 10:00
From: Vendetta Lowell
don't worry. I was stuck with a baked on outfit for a few days before....and just to let you know, the clothes like to finally vanish right when you teleport to another SIM. Needless to say, all of the wonderful people of Crimson Falls, weren't thrilled to see ALL of me. So be careful...



*grins wryly* That happens from time to time, actually. Like the time I was in the middle of getting ready for a photo shoot of one of my tops. So, stupid me, I had take off all the clothing, while picking the parts to match. Timing sucked royally, for the sim crashed and I wound up, nude, in a crowd of people.

Fortunately, I wasn't the only one at the time, either;)
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09-05-2006 10:05
From: Ranma Tardis
There has always been PG sims for those prudes that can not stand the thought of "naked" skin.


You use 'prudes' in a derogatory manner. Just because you happen to have no problem with naked pixels, it doesn't mean that others can't be offended. There are laws in real life about public nudity because people want them, and the same applies in SL.

From: Ranma Tardis
I am lisening for a good reason why this happened from Linden Labs.


The same reason the forums are closing. Because they can. Whilst this may have just been an unfortunate mistake (ie someone copied a file from the teen grid accidently), it may not have been. We're told it is - but that may only be because a vocal minority complained about it - or does 'complaining minority' only apply when it's concerning something that is the sole reason why some people are here?

Lewis
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Vendetta Lowell
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09-05-2006 10:06
From: Raudf Fox
*grins wryly* That happens from time to time, actually. Like the time I was in the middle of getting ready for a photo shoot of one of my tops. So, stupid me, I had take off all the clothing, while picking the parts to match. Timing sucked royally, for the sim crashed and I wound up, nude, in a crowd of people.

Fortunately, I wasn't the only one at the time, either;)


Oooo. Not good my friend. Well Crimson Falls is a roleplay SIM, and I did have my tag on that was showing I was in character...So I had to quickly play along with it. I can imagine the gigglefits everyone had. I will admit I was quite lucky, Crimson has it's days where there are tons of people there, then there's the days where there is only a few. Lucky me. It was a slower day.

Needless to say, those panties will come off when they're ready to. ^.^
Ranma Tardis
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09-05-2006 11:38
From: Lewis Nerd
You use 'prudes' in a derogatory manner. Just because you happen to have no problem with naked pixels, it doesn't mean that others can't be offended. There are laws in real life about public nudity because people want them, and the same applies in SL.




Well if bare flesh is offensive, you can stay in PG sims. I suppose the new Second Life will appeal to you. The Goreans, BDSM, nudists and other pests (includes me) will leave SL with our support and money. The new SL will become a place "where children can grow and play". There will be no adult content of any sort. There is going to be the Barney Sim, Tomas and other horrible themes.

Yes I don’t like "prudes". I have met my share of the born again prudes in America. They are enough to make any one sick! They tell you want you can do and not to do.



From: Lewis Nerd
The same reason the forums are closing. Because they can. Whilst this may have just been an unfortunate mistake (ie someone copied a file from the teen grid accidently), it may not have been. We're told it is - but that may only be because a vocal minority complained about it - or does 'complaining minority' only apply when it's concerning something that is the sole reason why some people are here?




Lewis



Well we are going to have to see what the undiscovered country brings. I am sure if Second Life becomes Prude/Barney or Disney Second Life another company will come along and make something even better.

Suppose we should stop buying all content now. With the prospect of Disney Second Life it is like throwing away money!

Lucky Merit
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09-05-2006 12:06
From: Ranma Tardis
Well we are going to have to see what the undiscovered country brings. I am sure if Second Life becomes Prude/Barney or Disney Second Life another company will come along and make something even better.

Suppose we should stop buying all content now. With the prospect of Disney Second Life it is like throwing away money!


You have seen the part about where this is NOT going to happen, right?

Kelly Linden said the baked on undies are NOT going to the main grid. So no Prude/Barney/Disneyifiying is planned. You won't need to join any class action lawsuits or quit SL. Nudity is NOT being taken away from us. You'll be able to go as naked or as not naked as you desire.

Here's the quote from further up in this thread:


Originally Posted by Kelly Linden
I mean it is a Saturday morning (at the time of my posting), and while I do fully believe the reports posted here, especially given the consistancy of such reports, I have other things in RL I must do and have not logged in or looked at the code to see why what everyone is seeing is happening. But I do know that it is NOT AN INTENDED FEATURE and that it will not be released like this on Wednesday. One of three things will happen, either the changes that caused this bug will be pulled out or the bugs will be fixed or the release will be delayed a week. The first and last seem most likely unless there is a simple cause for the bugs seen that can be rapidly fixed and tested. (http://forums.secondlife.com/showth...63&page=3&pp=15)
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Aimee Weber
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09-05-2006 12:25
From: Shirley Marquez
Most of us don't bother. Except for Aimee, of course.

(Before any of you get your unremovable knickers in a twist, I'm referring to her ad that ran in the Metaverse Messenger for a while. So yes, I'm naming somebody, but only in reference to something that's already very public anyway.)


LOL. It was taken in the good humor that I'm sure it was intended.

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Ranma Tardis
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09-05-2006 12:34
From: Lucky Merit
You have seen the part about where this is NOT going to happen, right?

Kelly Linden said the baked on undies are NOT going to the main grid. So no Prude/Barney/Disneyifiying is planned. You won't need to join any class action lawsuits or quit SL. Nudity is NOT being taken away from us. You'll be able to go as naked or as not naked as you desire.

Here's the quote from further up in this thread:


Originally Posted by Kelly Linden
I mean it is a Saturday morning (at the time of my posting), and while I do fully believe the reports posted here, especially given the consistancy of such reports, I have other things in RL I must do and have not logged in or looked at the code to see why what everyone is seeing is happening. But I do know that it is NOT AN INTENDED FEATURE and that it will not be released like this on Wednesday. One of three things will happen, either the changes that caused this bug will be pulled out or the bugs will be fixed or the release will be delayed a week. The first and last seem most likely unless there is a simple cause for the bugs seen that can be rapidly fixed and tested. (http://forums.secondlife.com/showth...63&page=3&pp=15)


I read this message as well. I just do not believe it. What possible "bug" can cause this? what are they doing to cause it? Lets just say I find it hard to believe it was "unintended". Maybe they are getting ready for Disney Second Life and are testing the non removable underwear features?
Anyhow the ban lines are not a correct way to protest to the Lindens
Lucky Merit
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09-05-2006 12:43
From: Ranma Tardis
I read this message as well. I just do not believe it. What possible "bug" can cause this? what are they doing to cause it? Lets just say I find it hard to believe it was "unintended".


OK, fair enough. For my part, I believe it is an unintended bug on the preview grid. I guess time will tell if we're being misled.

From: Ranma Tardis
Anyhow the ban lines are not a correct way to protest to the Lindens


That's another thread and baked on undies is not what is being protested.
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Raudf Fox
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09-05-2006 12:56
From: Lucky Merit
OK, fair enough. For my part, I believe it is an unintended bug on the preview grid. I guess time will tell if we're being misled.


Given the logic behind it being an unintentional bug, I'd agree. Firstly, if it had been intentional, they wouldn't have shown it on the Preview for us to get up in arms over. Secondly, they are well aware of how much money they stand to lose if they did leave the baked-on undies in. And I don't think they want to see the front page numbers come to a complete standstill, as most of us would like to be treated as thinking adults, without the need for "Net Nannies."

So, I'm for the unintended bug. And if they ever decide to make it a 'feature' and risk losing most of the players... well, I hope they at least chose better made ones, preferably clean looking ones!
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Jillian Callahan
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09-05-2006 12:59
Hmm. I do belive being able to weld undies onto avs has been a feature for private islands for some time. All that was seen on the preview seems to be a mistake where no matter the setting, the undies get welded on. Easy fix, no doubt.

I hear tell this is used on the teen grid.

It's probably quite useful for keeping things "general audience" for corportate advertising sims.
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09-05-2006 13:06
From: Raudf Fox
Given the logic behind it being an unintentional bug, I'd agree. Firstly, if it had been intentional, they wouldn't have shown it on the Preview for us to get up in arms over. Secondly, they are well aware of how much money they stand to lose if they did leave the baked-on undies in. And I don't think they want to see the front page numbers come to a complete standstill, as most of us would like to be treated as thinking adults, without the need for "Net Nannies."

So, I'm for the unintended bug. And if they ever decide to make it a 'feature' and risk losing most of the players... well, I hope they at least chose better made ones, preferably clean looking ones!


Yeah. A big part of my belief in the unintentional bug in this case is that it would be an absurd decision to take away resident's rights to nudity. Absurd in that residents would probly quit in droves, and absurd in that it goes against everything I've ever heard them say about their vision for the main grid.

Regarding better looking ones...Have you ever seen the avatars in Ultima Online? They're undies are non-removable and OMG so very ugly...can't find a picture right now. Prolly best. :)
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09-05-2006 14:28
From: Jillian Callahan
the undies get welded on.


Jillian,

Would you mind if I use that quote out of context and attribute it to you in the future? :P

In any case --- I wouldn't be so incredibly surprised if the 'permapants' could/would only be happening in PG sims... IF it is intentional.

It -could- be a "kick the tires" test for merging the MG and TG -- since they do have the ability to restrict certain account types to certain sim ratings.

Now, that'd suck a little for our avs: yeah, they're PG skins (i.e. no 'anatomical correctness) but we have to work on them in a PG sim... since that's what we own. (three of them. ) If they constantly have boxers and a tank top on, it'll be kinda rough to match seams and textures, no doubt.

Though since everyone's a ken doll anyways, (unless you buy aftermarket huevos, which wouldn't be shielded by persistant trousers) I don't really see the point...
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09-05-2006 14:45
From: Michi Lumin
Jillian,

Would you mind if I use that quote out of context and attribute it to you in the future? :P
Only if the quote is paired with an image of me lighting an oxy-acetylene torch.
From: Michi Lumin
In any case --- I wouldn't be so incredibly surprised if the 'permapants' could/would only be happening in PG sims... IF it is intentional.

It -could- be a "kick the tires" test for merging the MG and TG -- since they do have the ability to restrict certain account types to certain sim ratings.

Now, that'd suck a little for our avs: yeah, they're PG skins (i.e. no 'anatomical correctness) but we have to work on them in a PG sim... since that's what we own. (three of them. ) If they constantly have boxers and a tank top on, it'll be kinda rough to match seams and textures, no doubt.

Though since everyone's a ken doll anyways, (unless you buy aftermarket huevos, which wouldn't be shielded by persistant trousers) I don't really see the point...

I am quite certain that this is just part of a sim option, and isn't intended to be turned on in the mainland, PG sim or no.

Because, PG sim or no, the outcry would be deafening. Though it would spur a new industry, the nudie-outer-wear. Skins for your jacket and pants layers! :D
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09-05-2006 14:57
Boing!

Figured it was worth a shot. When people disagree with stuff, you offer OPTIONS!
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09-05-2006 23:36
From: Vendetta Lowell
don't worry. I was stuck with a baked on outfit for a few days before....and just to let you know, the clothes like to finally vanish right when you teleport to another SIM. Needless to say, all of the wonderful people of Crimson Falls, weren't thrilled to see ALL of me. So be careful...


ROFLMAO

OMG, I can just see this happening to me... tp'ing to the lobby of our school... :eek: Bye-bye PG... I better choose a closet to land in, to check things first ...
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