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Calranthe Charlton
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09-04-2006 05:28
From: Cottonteil Muromachi Self rezzing temp on rez items never seem very apparent, Mr Payne. Actually, your right that is possible, Payne is my old char a female I still believe women have much more option clothes wise on sl than men lol. But its kind of sad I mean presents are nice and all that but a present you can't find ?? a present which hides, its really not any present at all *laughs* But kudos to you, this morning this interlude with you has actually made my day, was pretty bored I actually had fun todo with SL. BTW your main isn't banned from Bizzare anymore, seeing as they only allow us 63 names to ban and there is more than that available with idiots and gorean ego mongers Bizzare is open to you.
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Usagi Musashi
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09-04-2006 06:31
From: Seagel Neville LOL  I wonder what the OP wants to do or to have Lindens do. Lindens don't dare to intend to make a mess of our (second) life. Don't do anything if you can't make it? Then it will loop back to my fav Eggy's comment. "Change is bad! We all hate change." Sad fact is LLabs doesnt care these days about the state of the game. Ok maybe inthe forms of bring in "NEW" and not reborn with 200 alts coming back in to the game. But LLabs seems to be placing the game more and more inthe control of its users. But this current version on sl.is what philip linden invisioned............  As he stated in the past.......the helpers know more then the he does these days......Now is that what being in charge is about?..."CEO" Or "COO" OR "KOO KOO BIRD" is his title these days....... ( joking) |
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Cottonteil Muromachi
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09-04-2006 06:45
From: Calranthe Charlton BTW your main isn't banned from Bizzare anymore, seeing as they only allow us 63 names to ban and there is more than that available with idiots and gorean ego mongers Bizzare is open to you. By the way, I was sent over to insult you and your wife back then. Kind of like a hired killer, but this is a hired insulter. Probably an untapped profession in SL. |
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Raudf Fox
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09-04-2006 06:51
From: Seagel Neville LOL I reget that I'm involuved in a trying thread though. Good. What a nice summary. But this is just an analysis of our current state and not any news. I wonder what the OP wants to do or to have Lindens do. Lindens don't dare to intend to make a mess of our (second) life. Don't do anything if you can't make it? Then it will loop back to my fav Eggy's comment. "Change is bad! We all hate change." It's not change that I find to be the problem.. it's ill-thought out change that seems to be the problem. The preview grid is great! *mutters something about baked-on undies and hugs poor Kelly Linden* Problem is that a lot of bugs aren't getting attention THERE because there is no reason to go there. And then there are the changes that just leave me scratching my head. Sure, I can understand some of the changes, but some leave me baffled. Like changing the way the pie menues around so I wind up after years of trained habbit, to click the wrong section! Okay, I can retrain, that's fine. Then there was the whole new and improved Snapshot. Thank goodness they learned to make new things an OPTION so us Pavlovian dogs could learn the new tricks at our own pace. That wasn't a thing for simple retraining.. that was going, "WTF?!" everytime we froze and couldn't see the world changing around us! Then there are the changes that do, indeed, render some things in SL unfunctional. Which really sucks if the creator is already gone, so there won't be any updates. I do realize that they need to change the LSL to make things work more effiently, but... *shrugs* Growing pains HURT, but we're getting bigger.
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Eggy Lippmann
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09-04-2006 07:08
HTML also used to change all the time, new web technologies appear all the time, browsers change all the time, and adhere to standards poorly... why should SL be any different? Look buddy SL is not a game. SL is not *defined*! Change is exactly what SL is all about. Linden *Research* Incorporated is *investigating* the best way to produce a democratizing platform where anyone can instantly jump in and start producing or enjoying three-dimensional content. This, should they succeed, is supposedly going to replace the web, and become an internet standard just like HTTP and HTML, ubiquitous, and part of our daily lives. We're not exactly in beta anymore, but we are indeed still in the early stages. And I should know, because I was actually there in that beta and I suffered changes far more drastic than most of you can comprehend. When SL launched, there were 300 of us. Now there are 600,000, but what is that compared to the billions of people who use the "old" internet?  |
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Coyote Momiji
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09-04-2006 07:56
From: Calranthe Charlton Ahh so we have come to the stage were little pedantics can only pick at the text not the subject ....To be fair, that was my first thought too. *sheepish*
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Seagel Neville
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09-04-2006 10:19
From: Calranthe Charlton I would say stop adding new items, no more new aditions to SL, do a complete 6 month tear down of the current code, rebuild, document, fix, stabalise, then test against current , (snip) You know what? I was made to hear the same thoughts again and again since before having been born and was grown up in SL. I don't intend to say that the thoughts are Mickey Mouse, but you should know that a lot of people have already mentioned that and the Lindens have never minded it. Because they must have other thoughts. Thoughts are just human preferences at the current time and place. I prefer listening to some concrete plans to change their thoughts to hearing your preference.
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Mulch Ennui
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09-04-2006 10:27
From: Eggy Lippmann We're not exactly in beta anymore, but we are indeed still in the early stages. And I should know, because I was actually there in that beta and I suffered changes far more drastic than most of you can comprehend.
When SL launched, there were 300 of us. mmmm, beta
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Enabran Templar
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09-04-2006 11:11
From: Calranthe Charlton Does anyone agree with this ? I like alot of people would like to know the answer to some questions The real one being when will we actually leave beta. No other game out there may be able to match the freedom of SL but at the same level, no other game out there would ever go public release with so many problems. You changed the tos to better defend your inability to take action and fix problems so the onus is all on us. 1)I paid for an island 14 months ago I was basically lead to believe I was paying for the hardware and setup (rental comes later) later we find out we share a server with another person, wow these servers better be some really good hardware because I myself have built server units in my job. 2)You keep making changes to scripting language, code and design which destroys and made alot of items not work, oh yes its not your fault you don't haveto take responsibility ? Do any of us buy a piece of business software then 3 months into comercial release they change the code so radicly our software we wrote on it doesn't work and they say "its your own problem" 3)You make a big hoo haaa about it being our world but you make sweeping changes for our "benefit" 4)You remove the forums our only pretty much uncensored place to tell you our REAL feelings 5)You create a teen grid but you remove age/payment verification so if a child wanders into our sim an adult place and her parent sees our adult images is it also OUR fault because you can't be bothered ? 6)THe lag only gets worse, the texture problems get worse, the bugs increase. 7)and to add insult to injury after nearly each patch people find they need to upgrade there pc to play your game.  Traffic system totally broken and actually encourage camping chairs etc Alot of the old players, the good people have left, replaced by thieves and con artists only interested in sl because its a rl money making thing. these people are not comunity. I stay for 2 reasons, my friends and loves, if there was anywhere out there anything near to this bug ridden fest i'd stop paying my $200 per month and say goodbye to my investment of time and effort in SL Please note I don't play this game for a profit, every person with a vendor or shop on my land is free and I charge no rent I came to SL for community, for fun.. but Now I spend my time on other games where my P3.4 2gbddr2 memory and ATI pciexpress 800 256mb are able to mean i can play and enjoy without crashes or lag. I come back on to be with my loves and to speak to friends. You burnt me out. Tell me it will change please what
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-04-2006 11:32
From: Cottonteil Muromachi Back to the topic. Trolling is too fattening. But your presents remain on site.
Regardless of how much LL has cocked up, it's never their intention to do so. Nor do they actually want it to happen.
It probably boils down to their lack of resources and haphazard organizational structure. Very likely, theres too much leniency. If it were a bit more draconian, their efforts might yield more benefits.
We can complain all we want. But this is an experiment which we willingly participate and fund for. Well, you know, then they should advertise it is an experiment, instead of presenting it as a finished thing. When I came in here a year and a half ago, I didn't realize it was just an experiment. If it is, with all that entails - they should say so, instead of presenting it to the world the way they do. Then people wouldn't expect things to work. I think saying it is just an experiment is just an excuse for anything and everything. coco |
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Cottonteil Muromachi
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09-04-2006 16:18
From: Cocoanut Koala Well, you know, then they should advertise it is an experiment, instead of presenting it as a finished thing.
When I came in here a year and a half ago, I didn't realize it was just an experiment. If it is, with all that entails - they should say so, instead of presenting it to the world the way they do. Then people wouldn't expect things to work.
I think saying it is just an experiment is just an excuse for anything and everything.
coco Marketing can puff their product in whichever way they want. They need to hide behind this veil if they are ever going to have enough laypeople funding for the project. Which definitely is a minus for us. We are already aware that from our perspective, LL's incompetence at tackling technical as well as social issues is legendary. From their perspective, they are doing a pretty good job, since they have a fairly different set of priorities. I think why most of us find it irritating has something to do with expectations. While some of us invest considerable effort and money into the venture, the experience does not scale proportionately. Its different from say, purchasing a piece of software at a fixed price. More expensive software tends to be more capable than freebies. They do no more or no less than expected after you have purchased them. In SL, you invest more time, buy more land, and the experience doesn't scale up. It still sucks as though it was a freebie. |
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Almarea Lumiere
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09-04-2006 16:40
From: Calranthe Charlton I don't mind change aslong as those causing the change have intelligence. I think that the biggest challenge that Linden Lab faces is dealing on a day-to-day basis with hundreds of residents who think that because they've written a program they ought to be put in charge of development there. Oh, and being nice to them in return. I couldn't be nearly so nice, even though I learned years ago that it's simply not possible to compete with a person who only has to imagine that they could do the job better than you. Or put another way: go do it youself if you're so smart. I'll be one of the first ones to sign up! --Almarea MS CS UCLA 40 years writing software |
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Enabran Templar
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09-04-2006 16:47
Wait...
what?
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Jesse Malthus
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09-04-2006 16:50
From: Almarea Lumiere I think that the biggest challenge that Linden Lab faces is dealing on a day-to-day basis with hundreds of residents who think that because they've written a program they ought to be put in charge of development there. Oh, and being nice to them in return.
I couldn't be nearly so nice, even though I learned years ago that it's simply not possible to compete with a person who only has to imagine that they could do the job better than you.
Or put another way: go do it youself if you're so smart. I'll be one of the first ones to sign up!
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40 years writing software Thank you, this is pretty close to my feelings on the issue. Bitching rarely ever solves anything, and the "squeaky wheel" stratagy won't work because LR has built up a thick skin, esp. to people on the forums. Coco, I agree with you, they should have told us upfront that SL is still a work in progress, but they really couldn't get members if they did that. Hmm, this reminds me of .hack, an experitment wrapped in an MMORPG...
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Osgeld Barmy
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09-04-2006 21:16
From: Calranthe Charlton
1)we find out we share a server with another person, wow these servers better be some really good hardware
the type of enviroment can drum up ALOT of computer power, i personally think its in their storage and network, in mainland sims crossing boundrys means litterly stepping a few meters in the right direction, but when you tp to a island sim it has to take you and all your stuff to "private resort" while sending you all of "private resort's" resources thats a pretty thick network load... givin LL's nack with bugs its amazing it works From: Calranthe Charlton
2)You keep making changes to scripting language, code and design which destroys and made alot of items not work
i script but i dont script for a living so ill leave this one (but its not happened to me) From: Calranthe Charlton
5)You create a teen grid but you remove age/payment verification so if a child wanders into our sim an adult place and her parent sees our adult images is it also OUR fault because you can't be bothered ?
i dont like the verification system, gives me the willys From: Calranthe Charlton
6)THe lag only gets worse, the texture problems get worse, the bugs increase.
the lag has always sucked the texture problems might be getting worse, thats like getting mud instead of wet dirt and they have been working diligantly keeping new bugs snuffed but yea the old ones remain From: Calranthe Charlton
7)and to add insult to injury after nearly each patch people find they need to upgrade there pc to play your game.
this always puts a smile on my face my buddy started SL with a 700mhz amd duron (cheapo chip) and a Geforce 4MX (64mb ram) this was fairly early in SL's development and it ran @ 800x600 about 9fps they upgraded to a 1.4ghz amd athalon and a 2x as fast video card and gained 2x the performance i started in 2005 with a 1.3 ghz amd athalon and a GeforceGTS pro (128mb ram) running avreage 15-21 fps, depending on the load at 1280x1024 with almost all the options turned on bout a year later i added a 1.9ghz chip an extra gig of memory 6mo after that a geforce 6600gt (128mb ram) and in a fully populated situation i run about 21- 24 fps, not that huge of an improvement, in my workshop i get 60 average, and with basicly everything in the debug menu shut off, thousands of M in the sky ive hit 147.04 fps with all the options on and most everything set to max (sorry draw distance 128 you will stay) i researched parts (toms hardware) got good ones, almost 3 years down the road ... 60 bucks there 40 bucks here ... my pc, that i started in 2000 is using 3 year old top of the line stuff, nickel and dimed to death, runs SL quite well, also runs quake 4 @ 60+fps, NFS most wanted over 70 fps, DDO average 50fps... really seriously ive got about 1400us$ wrapped up in this pc over 6 years. Whats up? From: Calranthe Charlton
I spend my time on other games where my P3.4 2gbddr2 memory and ATI pciexpress 800 256mb are able to mean i can play and enjoy without crashes or lag
your other games doesnt have 622,241 random yahoos uploading 2 megapixel images of their dogs, to put on a tiny desk frame, or a strand of hair, or a sunlite sparkle for a ring (at a cost of loading up 2 cd quality mp3 files to your video card * 100) |
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Venus Vaughan
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09-04-2006 21:21
HuH..?
Oh Peanuts
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Selador Cellardoor
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09-05-2006 01:05
From: Cottonteil Muromachi I can't remember you, but if I was banned from your sim, that would mean that you're a gorean. From: Calranthe Charlton Now thats insulting I hate goreans too and am in no way or my sim affiliated to them.
One of the biggest and least welcome changes that have taken place in sl, is the wave of intolerance that seems to be sweeping over the place. |
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Lewis Nerd
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09-05-2006 01:53
From: Selador Cellardoor One of the biggest and least welcome changes that have taken place in sl, is the wave of intolerance that seems to be sweeping over the place. You know, I've never understood this. When people say "you're intolerant", and criticise people for holding a particular point of view that they disagree with, then aren't they themselves being intolerant, and completely invalidating their point? Lewis |
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Tren Neva
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09-05-2006 02:19
From: Selador Cellardoor One of the biggest and least welcome changes that have taken place in sl, is the wave of intolerance that seems to be sweeping over the place. Wave of intolerance, or influx of batshit insane people? It's hard to tell! At this point, SL has really belittled the term "tolerance". I remember when it was good manners to tolerate Billy, even though he rarely showered. Now tolerance is accepting the 32 you old man with urine fetish that pretends he is a 6 year old hermaphidite sex vixen. Fun fact. It seems that the top search to go with the word "hermaphidite" in yahoo search is "jamie lee curtis hermaphodite". |
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Cinos Field
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09-05-2006 02:56
Err... upgrade your computer?
Not unless it was really, really low-end to begin with. I haven't even seen any kind of added resource drain with the patches.
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Jopsy Pendragon
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09-05-2006 03:24
From: Calranthe Charlton ... no other game out there would ever go public release with so many problems. ... Not even Uru Online? Oh you're talking NUMBER of problems... not severity. Nevermind. |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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09-05-2006 04:46
Am I the only one that clicked on this thread thinking the poster was "Catherine Cotton" by mistake?
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Cottonteil Muromachi
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09-05-2006 07:51
From: Tren Neva
Fun fact. It seems that the top search to go with the word "hermaphidite" in yahoo search is "jamie lee curtis hermaphodite".
Fun fact is, it would help if you searched using the correct spelling. But I guess you have something for Jamie. |
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Yiffy Yaffle
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09-05-2006 09:15
To the original post. I share your consern about SL how its going downhill on a greased barrel.. But you do realise anything you say on these forums is like talking to the wind. The forums will be removed soon so its obvous they don't wana know what we think.
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Yiffy Yaffle
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09-05-2006 09:16
From: Selador Cellardoor One of the biggest and least welcome changes that have taken place in sl, is the wave of intolerance that seems to be sweeping over the place. Quite true. Some people just don't understand the consept of diversity. it's here whether they like it or not. |
