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Lucie Doolittle
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Join date: 19 Nov 2005
Posts: 69
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12-18-2005 18:16
Anyone that brings their issues of RL into SL or that uses SL to force their opinion onto other SL residents must have some sort of mental disorder. What else can it be? I don't see signs saying "STOP ABORTION & SAVE A LIFE" or "SAVE A LIFE DON"T DRINK AND DRIVE" he uses his opinions of the president and the war to jack the price of SL land up to make the residents around the land buy it just to get rid of the signs. Why can't he just put on his signs "LAND FOR SALE" he seems to be a very angry person about his opinions so yeah I do think he has a mental disorder and should be in a program for anger managment. SL is a online community were people can escape the RL and the bottom line is he is dislike by almost everyone around him and 99.9% of the people that post on this forum. I will never buy any land that has his signs on them and I will make complants until his signs are taken down. I'm just waiting for Monday morning to get here to start calling on the phone and will call everyday about this. The land I have now is useless now due to him and I see 2 things I can do. Either buy enough land to form a community were he is banned from and signs of this nature will not be allowed or leave SL and go to another site. And I do think he has more than one name in SL.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
Forums Rock!
Join date: 22 Dec 2003
Posts: 14,229
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12-18-2005 18:23
Is there a way to get a list of all the locations owned by a person?
This would be real useful if you wanted to make it easy to visit someone's builds and maybe give them a positive rate or file an abuse report. Couple this with an automatic e-mail to linden support scripted object that uses llSendEmail to send a little message to [email]support@secondlife.com[/email] and one might be able to do a real good job of giving builds their just rewards. _____________________
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So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan - |
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SuezanneC Baskerville
Forums Rock!
Join date: 22 Dec 2003
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12-18-2005 18:32
I don't really see how he was being offensive... he certainly didn't assume YOU had a mental disorder just because you weren't agreeing with his pov. Glib lies could be viewed as offensive. Owning up to the fact that you are trying to make something so annoying that people will pay a premium price just to be rid of it would be polite. To bad we can't move our land, like we ought to. _____________________
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So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan - |
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Icon Serpentine
punk in drublic
Join date: 13 Nov 2003
Posts: 858
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12-18-2005 18:46
Anyone that brings their issues of RL into SL or that uses SL to force their opinion onto other SL residents must have some sort of mental disorder. What else can it be? I don't see signs saying "STOP ABORTION & SAVE A LIFE" or "SAVE A LIFE DON"T DRINK AND DRIVE" he uses his opinions of the president and the war to jack the price of SL land up to make the residents around the land buy it just to get rid of the signs. Why can't he just put on his signs "LAND FOR SALE" he seems to be a very angry person about his opinions so yeah I do think he has a mental disorder and should be in a program for anger managment. SL is a online community were people can escape the RL and the bottom line is he is dislike by almost everyone around him and 99.9% of the people that post on this forum. I will never buy any land that has his signs on them and I will make complants until his signs are taken down. I'm just waiting for Monday morning to get here to start calling on the phone and will call everyday about this. The land I have now is useless now due to him and I see 2 things I can do. Either buy enough land to form a community were he is banned from and signs of this nature will not be allowed or leave SL and go to another site. And I do think he has more than one name in SL. Well think what you might, I for one wouldn't have been nearly as polite as HIM if you had told me to see someone about a mental disorder. But for my own amusement, what brings you to the conclusion that someone with an opinion must be mentally ill? _____________________
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Lucie Doolittle
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Join date: 19 Nov 2005
Posts: 69
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12-18-2005 19:31
I didn't say someone with an opinion I said someone that uses SL to FORCE their RL opinions onto SL residents. SL is not RL there is a difference and what he is doing should be against the rules. But it's like the old saying goes you have to fight fire with fire so it's up to the residents to stop him by not buying his property. Like in RL if you ignor the pest then one day the pest will get bored and go away.
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Magnum Serpentine
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Join date: 20 Nov 2003
Posts: 1,811
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12-18-2005 19:50
Im wondering if a polite IM to him asking him to remove or move signs from your view would help.... considering that it wont be done could that be considered harrassement then? Done did that, got cussed at. |
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Magnum Serpentine
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Join date: 20 Nov 2003
Posts: 1,811
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12-18-2005 19:53
Here is the "polite IM" I had with him. I removed his name and replaced it with HIM cause I don't think we are suppoe to post other people's names but we all know who we are talking about. Lucie Doolittle: Hello - I have a question I am hoping you can answer HIM: Hello Lucy, how can I help you? Lucie Doolittle: I was just wondering what is the purpose of your signs? HIM: The purpose is to get people to think and discuss the horrible situation President Bush has gotten this country, and the world, into. HIM: Tens of thousands of deaths "liberating", as he puts it now, people who don't want to be liberated. HIM: What once was a "war against terror", a lie, has become a terrible quagmire with no plans for victory or exit. HIM: That's the purpose. Lucie Doolittle: this is a game not RL. Most people some to SL to "get away" from RL and have you brought the value of my property down with your signs Lucie Doolittle: not to mention you jacked the price of that tiny plot from 399 to 20000 Lucie Doolittle: and if you dont like the way this country is ran then I will be ahppy to help purchase a one way plane ticket to move you to any country of your choice HIM: Your quantification, most people, needs to be substantiated. I think you'll find that many people do not treat Second Life simplas as a game, but as a forum for creativity, interaction, and the exchange of ideas. Lucie Doolittle: SL is a game and things like this should not be allowed to enter it HIM: That's my opinion. Lucie Doolittle: everyone in this country has the right to their opinion but what you are doing is abuse to others HIM: If you wish to use SL as a game, you are welcome to do so. HIM: I disagree with you on that point, and so do the owners of this system, the Lindens. HIM: I appreciate you expressing your opinion to me. Is there anything more? Lucie Doolittle: agree or disagree is and opinion and everyone has the right to what every the fell but i spend my money to be a part of this game just like everyone here HIM: and I feel that you putting these silly signs up everyone you find a open spot is abisive to the others in the game HIM: Yes, just ike me. The world is large, and there's room for everyone. Lucie Doolittle: you have the right to your opinion but you are bringing the value of other peoples property down and the value of the game too HIM: How can something you call "silly" be "abusive?" That's a contradiction. Lucie Doolittle: because I have one small store and your 8 signs are blocking the view Lucie Doolittle: the signs were not there yesterday Lucie Doolittle: and you just bought that land HIM: Again, Lucie, that is your opinion. There is much content in SL. Much of what other people might call "bad" or "ugly," but it is all tolerated. HIM: You are correct. I buy land and mount signs every day. Lucie Doolittle: thats true but I don't want my stores next to your opinion so would you like to buy my land? HIM: I try to add one for every soldier, US or Iraqi who dies every day, but I'm having trouble keeping up. HIM: Well, Lucie, You sell your land on your own terms. As I make my rounds, if I come across a plot that is appropriate for my needs, I consider purchasing it. If your land ever fits the bill, I'll certainly consider buying it. Lucie Doolittle: again this is SL not RL but since you brought that up I must say when they sign on that dotted line they are signing to go to war. The free training and education is just a bonus HIM: I'm promarily interested in small scattered plots. HIM: Oh, I'm quite aware of the noble role of the soldier. I'm very aware of the risks and consequences of the millitart estate. However, I value every soldier's life so highly that I would obnly send a woman or man into harms way if there were a direct HIM: threat to my country. HIM: This is not the case, in my oppinion, in Iraq. Lucie Doolittle: whatever Im not talking about Iraq Im talking about Second LIfe Lucie Doolittle: Maybe you should seek treatment for the mental disorder you seem to have HIM: Thanks for your feedback Lucie. If you'd like to discuss this more at a later date, I'd be very happy to, but I'm in the middle of a meeting. I need to get ack to business. Lucie Doolittle: and for anger managment HIM: Thanks again. Lucie Doolittle: the 2 treatments may do you good Lucie Doolittle: have a nice day and happy holidays to you  HIM: Enjhoy your Second Life, Licie. RESPECTFULLY yours, Lazarus Divine. I am just so aggrivated about this guy. He has made my cute little store all ugly  Sorry about the last few comments I made to him but he is a weirdo and needs help. He don't seem to be able to see the difference of RL and SL and I just find that a bit weird. I wish the Lindens would take their Blinders off and see that this dude is committing Extortion(SP) by jacking up the price for 16 meters of land to 20000 lindens. |
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Magnum Serpentine
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Join date: 20 Nov 2003
Posts: 1,811
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12-18-2005 19:55
I know this guy is an asshole, but don't people see how destructive it would be to the game if you could hide stuff by one avatar or another? Why should we ruin the game to save ourselves from this guy? I believe the real issue here is he is charging 20,000 (Some have found 200,000) for 16 Square meters of land. Thats a crime. |
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Icon Serpentine
punk in drublic
Join date: 13 Nov 2003
Posts: 858
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12-19-2005 09:31
I didn't say someone with an opinion I said someone that uses SL to FORCE their RL opinions onto SL residents. SL is not RL there is a difference and what he is doing should be against the rules. But it's like the old saying goes you have to fight fire with fire so it's up to the residents to stop him by not buying his property. Like in RL if you ignor the pest then one day the pest will get bored and go away. So you're saying that someone who brings their RL opinions into SL has a mental disorder? SL isn't RL, that much is true... but we're all beings with RL opinions. Not all of us however, shed our ideas, thoughts, and opinions as we log in. Some of us use SL to communicate or express those things while others surely roleplay or live in fantasies. I can't say I'm sorry that the signs bother you or anyone else so much as I'm not the one putting them up. However, it is sad for me to see people calling others names first rather than discussing the situation openly. I'm sure HIM doesn't have a mental disorder, and if he did -- it's cetainly none of our business. Personally I know people with mental disorders. Some of them would be highly offended if you discredited their opinions on account of their disabilities. Anyhow... to sum up my opinion about the whole thing: if there is a way to block content from my view, I bet 95% of SL would be a blank slate. If there's a way to block all the ugly and annoying crap I see in RL -- that would be so much better. I think about 90% of it would all be invisible to me as well. _____________________
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Mike Westerburg
Who, What, Where?
Join date: 2 May 2004
Posts: 317
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12-19-2005 12:46
I vote that LL gives us a real function for shift+ctrl+alt+h and allow us to summon the Hippo of ultimate prim pwnage! This Hippo will ask for a yay or nay vote from the community and with a winning yay vote, continues onward to eating every prim that was voted on for removal. Liven it up a bit, have a Ninja Hippo pop out and use the forbidden arts to slice and dice the prims out of existance. Have an Ace pilot Hippo fly in and bring death to the prims from above. For those water sims, have Naval Hippo cruise in a sub and launch missiles/torpedos at the prims. For the snow sims, have James Bond Hippo drop in from the sky on a set of skis and perform impossible moves while shooting the prims out of existance.
ah well, not much that can be done The texture cache idea is a good one since there is only 1 UUID for a specific texture no matter how many copies are made (last time I looked) so technically it could be possible to have your SL client not render it, perhaps a button or option to say "make this texture show as default grey box" I still vote for James Bond Hippo though since it would be cool to see a Hippo all garbed out as James Bond holding a Martini in one hand, shaken not stirred, and an H&K in the other. _____________________
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aEoLuS Waves
Koffie?
Join date: 10 Jun 2005
Posts: 279
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Beware of the signs!
12-19-2005 13:39
Well I got a mental disorder so I am willing to claim that that dude has one big mental disorder too. Not only him, but all who claim (Yes you, the quiltly looking person behind that screen!) that he is in his right doing what he is doing should be checked in the loonie bin. I am the one with the bagpipe!
Lucie you are right! Its just dead wrong what that boy is doing! Dont care his statement he is just behaving like an ass. He really needs a checkup and so do I by replying this treath. I dribble when I nibble And I quibble when I scribble! |
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Felicity Sneerwell
The shoe fiend
Join date: 20 Aug 2005
Posts: 150
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12-19-2005 13:55
I don't like the signs either and find them to be obnoxious. When I walk out of the front door of my home I have a nice view of two of these signs. They seem like they are in front of me, but in actuality they are adjacent to a large piece of land for sale in the neighboring sim.
At first, I was very ticked off about these signs to say the least; however, I don't even pay attention to them anymore. I doesn't matter if it is right outside my door or 8 signs around a shopping area. At least for me, I have seen so many of them I just simply don't pay attention to them anymore. If his intention is to truly spark debate or conversation about the war in Iraq, I don't see it happening here because of his signs. Instead everyone is pitching a fit about them. I am not trying to defend him, I don't even know him, but I will point out that he is entitled to his opinion just like everyone else. |
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Musicteacher Rampal
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Join date: 20 Feb 2004
Posts: 824
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12-20-2005 14:04
Can you abuse report someone for being rude?? I asked this person a very intelligent question and got a VERY rude retort...Just wondering if it's abuse reportable...in addition where do you go to find the text of the forum and game rules? I can't seem to find them in the web-site.
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katykiwi Moonflower
Esquirette
Join date: 5 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,489
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12-20-2005 15:17
Yet one more BAD BAD BAD member who belongs on the Infonet Second Hell Tourbus list.
The sad part is that this is how he is spending his time trying to be effective for his cause, THIS is what makes him feel useful...thats a shame. BAD BAD BAD member...go to the top of the Second Hell Tourbus list!!! _____________________
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Icon Serpentine
punk in drublic
Join date: 13 Nov 2003
Posts: 858
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12-21-2005 06:23
Well if it's suddenly socially acceptable to make assumptions about the mental states or abilities of other people, I guess I'll have to be unacceptable.
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Renorei Mauriac
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Join date: 18 Dec 2005
Posts: 11
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12-27-2005 14:05
Do we, as SL members, have any sayso about what goes in the rules or TOS? If so, I'd love it if we could vote on a new rule that blatantly dragging RL opinions into SL is not permitted. After all, I don't know about the rest of you, but I joined SECOND life, not REAL life. I came here to get away from real life and all its problems, and this jackass keeps ruining it for me. He's attempting to spark intelligent debate about this issue. SL isn't a forum for debating about issues that have nothing to do with SL! For many, it's a game, and for many others, it's an actual second life that they can escape to, but either way those signs are totally inappropriate and I hope, very strongly, that he is forced to remove them.
Especially considering that he is putting the signs in places that obscure view of a person's store or property, or reduce property value. As if the above reason wasn't enough, this takes the cake! |
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Kazuo Murakami
Sofa King
Join date: 31 Aug 2005
Posts: 359
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12-27-2005 15:18
Do we, as SL members, have any sayso about what goes in the rules or TOS? If so, I'd love it if we could vote on a new rule that blatantly dragging RL opinions into SL is not permitted. After all, I don't know about the rest of you, but I joined SECOND life, not REAL life. I came here to get away from real life and all its problems, and this jackass keeps ruining it for me. He's attempting to spark intelligent debate about this issue. SL isn't a forum for debating about issues that have nothing to do with SL! I couldn't begin to tell you on how many levels I disagree with you. |
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Ron Overdrive
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Join date: 10 Jul 2005
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12-27-2005 15:52
I couldn't begin to tell you on how many levels I disagree with you. The debate on whether or not SL is a game or not can be discussed in one of the other million flame infested threads.. oh wait you can't because they always get locked. However you feel about SL there's one thing alot of us agree apon: we've seen his signs (all 200+) over flowing sims and we're tired of it. Whatever political cause he may have been trying to promote has long since been dismissed by the commuinity because of how he treats people and SL. SL is not a political playground for protesting Real Life American issues, especially when a good portion of the user base is not even American to begin with. No one likes having someone else's opion shoved down their throats and in turn its pissing everyone off whether they agree with the message or not. His methods are also highly questionable since they are overkill and on the edge of griefing through extortion. His antisocial personality also makes his motives even more questionable. All in all, while he sits at his computer and protests Bush in a game there are people with the balls to go out and do it in Washington DC in front of the Whitehouse itself. |
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
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12-28-2005 08:59
I dig free speech even when it's not always in my favor.
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Artillo Fredericks
Friendly Orange Demon
Join date: 1 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,327
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12-28-2005 09:21
Yay.
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Icon Serpentine
punk in drublic
Join date: 13 Nov 2003
Posts: 858
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12-28-2005 12:26
No one likes having someone else's opion shoved down their throats and in turn its pissing everyone off whether they agree with the message or not. If only there was a TOS in RL so I could have TV banned. And just about every ad, idea, opinion, and message I see. Then I could live in peace, tootin my own horn and have no one to bother me about it. /snicker _____________________
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Slick Nabob
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Join date: 22 Dec 2005
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12-29-2005 11:56
Just to put in my L$0.02: I'm all well and good with free speech, even if said speech goes against every core belief I have and every experience I have experienced, but...
Free speech does not include blocking storefronts of vendors and residences of others with signs. You don't see billboards in real life blocking the front windows of a storefront. You shouldn't see it in SL either! I've seen numerous instances of this Lazarus fellow (quite apparently intentionally) causing issues with his neighbors. The IM logs and the actions of this individual himself makes it clear he's not above being a nuisance to throw his opinion around. If it's non-invasive and non-annoying to neighbors, fine, but billboards belong where billboards belong. I can easily see why other land owners would be up in arms about this. When I first got here, I steered clear of businesses with these signs nearby. As a total newbie (I consider myself moved up to simply 'newbie' now), I had no clue if this was part of the store's official ads or not. I'm sure I'm not the only one that's done this. Regardless of the sign's content, I consider this griefing. I'm not going to start buying up land and posting up pictures of Iraqi's with purple fingers saying "Thank you, America!" in front of people's stores. SL simply is not the place to do this sort of griefing. Please, Lindens... Do something about this!!! |
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Selador Cellardoor
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Join date: 16 Nov 2003
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12-29-2005 14:05
I dribble when I nibble And I quibble when I scribble! Yay! Dury rules! _____________________
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Daltrey Pow
Banned
Join date: 1 Dec 2005
Posts: 67
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01-06-2006 21:17
This Is Nothing But Land Extortion No Linden Law Against That. I Served In The Military And I Feel Like This Is A Personal Attack On My Rights. And I Am Not Gonna Let These Anti-bush Remarks Die There Are Too Many People Being Affected By Them Now. So To The Linden's, Just Don't Worry About It I'll Take Care Of It Myself..........Wanna Take Away My Freedom Of Speech Now
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Renorei Mauriac
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Join date: 18 Dec 2005
Posts: 11
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01-07-2006 17:17
I couldn't begin to tell you on how many levels I disagree with you. Disagree with me all you want, but if this guy is making SL substantially less fun for other people, he's doing something wrong. |