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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
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12-17-2005 15:47
exactly Hank... you asked politely and he refused to help out... I for one consider that harrassement and reportable So if you buy an item in SL that you need help with, and the creator says no, that's reportable. I don't see how him owning his own land and refusing to help is reportable, please enlighten me! |
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
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12-17-2005 15:48
what I mean Hank... Is I see no reason why you couldnt AR him for harrassement after you asked politely for them to be moved or taken down. He refused and as such he is taking away some of your enjoyment of SL
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
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12-17-2005 15:49
So if you buy an item in SL that you need help with, and the creator says no, that's reportable. I don't see how him owning his own land and refusing to help is reportable, please enlighten me! he is not allowing you to fully enjoy your SL _____________________
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FlipperPA Peregrine
Magically Delicious!
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
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12-17-2005 15:53
Is there a way to figure out the UUID of the griefer signs, and then pre-fill our cache directory with an identical alpha texture so it effectively hides the signs? A more permanent fix would be for LL to allow us to hide stuff we find objectionable inside of our own viewer, like "right-click this and hide forever" kinda thing. I love this idea. That would rock - just post a file to the forums saying, "Drop this in your SL cache directory..." Unfortunately, the cache is one big paging file that encrypted, ain't it? -Flip _____________________
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
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12-17-2005 15:55
consider this.... its #6 of the community standards.....
Disturbing the Peace Every Resident has a right to live their Second Life. Disrupting scheduled events, repeated transmission of undesired advertising content, the use of repetitive sounds, following or self-spawning items, or other objects that intentionally slow server performance or inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life are examples of Disturbing the Peace Im paying attention to where it says...... "or inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life" _____________________
"So you see, my loyalty lies with Second Life, not with Linden Lab. Where I perceive the actions of Linden Lab to be in conflict with the best interests of Second Life, I side with Second Life."-Jacek
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Aliasi Stonebender
Return of Catbread
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
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12-17-2005 15:58
consider this.... its #6 of the community standards..... Disturbing the Peace Every Resident has a right to live their Second Life. Disrupting scheduled events, repeated transmission of undesired advertising content, the use of repetitive sounds, following or self-spawning items, or other objects that intentionally slow server performance or inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life are examples of Disturbing the Peace Im paying attention to where it says...... "or inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life" Ugly builds do not inhibit your ability to enjoy SL, otherwise we'd have to AR half the grid. Hell, more than half. _____________________
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
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12-17-2005 16:07
Ugly builds do not inhibit your ability to enjoy SL, otherwise we'd have to AR half the grid. Hell, more than half. then consider the undesired advertising content  _____________________
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Aliasi Stonebender
Return of Catbread
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
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12-17-2005 16:12
then consider the undesired advertising content Ah, but what is he advertising? _____________________
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Dianne Mechanique
Back from the Dead
Join date: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 2,648
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12-17-2005 16:12
Awesome idea, Hank! In lieu of being able to "Hide" objects owned by avatars we could put on a list, this'd be the next best thing, IMHO I know this guy is an asshole, but don't people see how destructive it would be to the game if you could hide stuff by one avatar or another? Why should we ruin the game to save ourselves from this guy? _____________________
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
Posts: 3,146
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12-17-2005 16:14
Ah, but what is he advertising? He said that someone was starting to get fussy with him, so he bought up all the land in the neighborhood and plaster the signs all over. He thinks that's what he got suspended for. |
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
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12-17-2005 16:16
Ah, but what is he advertising? if it isnt advertising what is it? a political statement or a form of extorsion? either way the signs are detracting to many peoples enjoyment of SL and I still feel the AR's would help _____________________
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Kyrah Abattoir
cruelty delight
Join date: 4 Jun 2004
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12-17-2005 16:19
I saw your Winter of Discontent! That was BEAUTIFUL! Is that what that was about? I can't afford a private island. Lazarus owns the mainland and will keep it and will grow. I don't know how he affords it all, but I do know that it is his. I can't pay 10,000 for 512 mm near me, or whatever the ridiculous prices he is asking for in my sim. I wrote Robin about it, and she said she would look into it. I think it is getting time where I save my family the money I am paying this game each month and tier down altogether. I figure they really don't mind, as long as he pays his tier, what he does with his land, or how he griefs or extorts people. It's the same money to them as mine is. I think I will contact him and see if he would like to buy my land at a bargain price. I might as well get something out of it. The game is his, and will stay that way, as long as he is around. You know, there is only so much banging your head against a brick wall a person can do. Bleh. So be it. This just isn't fun, this land thing with him. No use paying for something that is more headaches than it is fun. coco we will miss you cocoa ... maybe ^_^ _____________________
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Csven Concord
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Join date: 19 Mar 2005
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12-17-2005 16:35
: Maybe you should seek treatment for the mental disorder you seem to have I read that exchange and to be honest, I'm rather impressed with the individual's even-tempered responses and sorely disappointed in your comments; especially the one above. Perhaps in the future you should consider giving more thought to what conversations you volunteer to post. _____________________
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Chiman Fassbinder
LV CEO/Terminal Radio CEO
Join date: 3 Sep 2005
Posts: 66
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12-17-2005 16:36
listen, this guy has his prims over protected land, in the middle of a road, personally i reported abuse on this spot and i suggest you all do the same. its on the Hotei sim and its at 165, 28. way i see it, this is a violation. so if we all do it, figure SL will get so sick of hearing from us thru reports, they will eventually do something about it.
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Chiman Fassbinder
LV CEO/Terminal Radio CEO
Join date: 3 Sep 2005
Posts: 66
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12-17-2005 16:41
and just on a side note
this is from SL directly, shown here at http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php Every Resident has a right to live their Second Life. Disrupting scheduled events,** repeated transmission of undesired advertising content,** the use of repetitive sounds, following or self-spawning items, or other objects that intentionally slow server performance or inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life are examples of Disturbing the Peace. that right there is a violation. noone wants to see it so hense, report away |
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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Join date: 22 Dec 2003
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12-17-2005 17:08
and just on a side note this is from SL directly, shown here at http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php Every Resident has a right to live their Second Life. Disrupting scheduled events,** repeated transmission of undesired advertising content,** the use of repetitive sounds, following or self-spawning items, or other objects that intentionally slow server performance or inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life are examples of Disturbing the Peace. that right there is a violation. noone wants to see it so hense, report away Assuming you have asterisked the parts you think apply in this case, I don't think you have as clear-cut a case as you might think. I am not sure you could make an ironclad case that the static texture on a stationary virtual sign constitutes a transmission or that it is being repeated. One might argue that it is not an advertisement, it is political speech. It may be insincere political speech selected deliberately to serve the purpose of persuading people to pay an abnormally high price for the land, but the words on the sign are not attempting to sell a product or service mentioned on the sign. I think there is a better case to be made that these signs are a disturbance of the peace because they violate the " inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life" clause, but that is only because that is an extremely vague and ambiguous clause which could be used to suppress almost any form of behavior at all. Despite the vagueness, though, a thousand people filing abuse reports on that grounds might convince the abuse staff that the Impeach George Bush signs displayed in such a prominent manner are a disturbance of the peace and then proceed through the steps of warnings, formal warnings, suspension and account closure as they continue to get more and more abuse reports. On a not directly related note, I see that there is a group formed called the Anti Lazarus Divine Initiative group, it is an an open join group. Guess who one of the group members is? _____________________
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Zal Korvin
Registered User
Join date: 28 May 2005
Posts: 17
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12-17-2005 21:00
I noticed some of those signs on land that's listed in the land sales finder, but is not intended to be sold. Could that have a detrimental effect on peoples ability to use the land finder to find land that they can actually buy?
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
Posts: 3,146
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12-17-2005 21:54
I noticed some of those signs on land that's listed in the land sales finder, but is not intended to be sold. Could that have a detrimental effect on peoples ability to use the land finder to find land that they can actually buy? Why would people look on the land listings for land that's priced over $100/m? |
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Tlanuwa Resistance
Registered User
Join date: 30 Nov 2005
Posts: 16
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12-17-2005 22:05
Speaking perfectly honestly, I haven't read each of the posts in this thread word for word, but I think I gather the gist....
So anywho, my thoughts. This Second Life we've all decided to take part in is, for me, just that -- another life. In it, I'm free to escape the bounds and rules that govern my real life existence, within reason. In my first life, I am a soldier. I fight for the United States because it's what I believe in, despite whomever may be in any particular office. In my first life, there are things I can and cannot do that other people may, simply because I have chosen to swear on oath. And I stand wholeheartedly beside it. But who cares? Second Life, for me, is the escape. Real life tends to be tough from time to time. So I escape it by coming to the wonderful community that the Lindens have given us to build. I try to have fun, make friends, and be, generally, not a pain in the ass. So here's my thought on the matter -- live your first life for what it is, and your Second Life for what IT is. If you want to parade signs in protest of real life situations, do it in real life. Hell, if you want to parade signs in protest of Second Life, DO IT IN SECOND LIFE. But bear in mind that when you trample across this little community of ours for any reason, even if you own the land, you're taking away from what I suspect is a huge blessing in each of our lives -- another damned life, free from the worries and problems (I hope) of what is very, very real. Blessings. |
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BJSmooth White
Freaky Deaky
Join date: 26 Nov 2004
Posts: 35
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Sad situation
12-17-2005 22:34
Nimrod what is this cornfield you keep speaking of? Is there an actual place you're still able to go to when suspended?
I used to live in a very pretty sim named Albata but this past week it has been littered with signs. The scary thing is, Laz has copycats. Directly next to the Impeach Bush signs there are huge ugly advertisement boxes 5 high and rotating on a 32 sqm plot marked for 10000L. It really is a sad situation. |
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
Posts: 3,146
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12-17-2005 22:35
Nimrod what is this cornfield you keep speaking of? Is there an actual place you're still able to go to when suspended? Look at the last page or two of the JEVN Exploit thread. |
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Psyra Extraordinaire
Corra Nacunda Chieftain
Join date: 24 Jul 2004
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12-18-2005 14:30
I know this guy is an asshole, but don't people see how destructive it would be to the game if you could hide stuff by one avatar or another? Why should we ruin the game to save ourselves from this guy? <slightlyofftopic> This is an issue that also affects sounds. Why can't we mute people's sounds when we mute them. Why must we MUTE AUDIO in prefs to silence one idiot playing the Badger song 400 times? Frankly, destructive or not, I'm tiering down to 0 until the signs are gone, finito, for good. If this doesn't ever happen, so be it, SL is past due to be outdone by a new competitor.... if certain residents don't grind it into bankrupcy first. </slightlyofftopic> _____________________
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Travis Lambert
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Join date: 3 Jun 2004
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12-18-2005 16:40
I know this guy is an asshole, but don't people see how destructive it would be to the game if you could hide stuff by one avatar or another? Why should we ruin the game to save ourselves from this guy? Diane - I'm not sure I'm following how its destructive. Maybe I'm missing a key element - or I'm not explaining what I had in mind sufficiently. In what way do you mean this is destructive? How would this sort of flexibility in controling what gets rendered on our own screens ruin the game? Maybe there's another perspective here I hadn't considered... I'd like to hear you elaborate on that _____________________
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Kazuo Murakami
Sofa King
Join date: 31 Aug 2005
Posts: 359
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12-18-2005 17:08
Diane - I'm not sure I'm following how its destructive. Maybe I'm missing a key element - or I'm not explaining what I had in mind sufficiently. In what way do you mean this is destructive? How would this sort of flexibility in controling what gets rendered on our own screens ruin the game? Maybe there's another perspective here I hadn't considered... I'd like to hear you elaborate on that Yeah I'm not really getting this either, unless you're one of the creators of these massive sprawling mallcasinosexclubs and are upset that people wouldn't be forced to look at your advertising anymore.  |
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Icon Serpentine
punk in drublic
Join date: 13 Nov 2003
Posts: 858
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12-18-2005 17:49
Lucie Doolittle: Hello - I have a question I am hoping you can answer HIM: Hello Lucy, how can I help you? Lucie Doolittle: I was just wondering what is the purpose of your signs? HIM: The purpose is to get people to think and discuss the horrible situation President Bush has gotten this country, and the world, into. HIM: Tens of thousands of deaths "liberating", as he puts it now, people who don't want to be liberated. HIM: What once was a "war against terror", a lie, has become a terrible quagmire with no plans for victory or exit. HIM: That's the purpose. Lucie Doolittle: this is a game not RL. Most people some to SL to "get away" from RL and have you brought the value of my property down with your signs Lucie Doolittle: not to mention you jacked the price of that tiny plot from 399 to 20000 Lucie Doolittle: and if you dont like the way this country is ran then I will be ahppy to help purchase a one way plane ticket to move you to any country of your choice HIM: Your quantification, most people, needs to be substantiated. I think you'll find that many people do not treat Second Life simplas as a game, but as a forum for creativity, interaction, and the exchange of ideas. Lucie Doolittle: SL is a game and things like this should not be allowed to enter it HIM: That's my opinion. Lucie Doolittle: everyone in this country has the right to their opinion but what you are doing is abuse to others HIM: If you wish to use SL as a game, you are welcome to do so. HIM: I disagree with you on that point, and so do the owners of this system, the Lindens. HIM: I appreciate you expressing your opinion to me. Is there anything more? Lucie Doolittle: agree or disagree is and opinion and everyone has the right to what every the fell but i spend my money to be a part of this game just like everyone here HIM: and I feel that you putting these silly signs up everyone you find a open spot is abisive to the others in the game HIM: Yes, just ike me. The world is large, and there's room for everyone. Lucie Doolittle: you have the right to your opinion but you are bringing the value of other peoples property down and the value of the game too HIM: How can something you call "silly" be "abusive?" That's a contradiction. Lucie Doolittle: because I have one small store and your 8 signs are blocking the view Lucie Doolittle: the signs were not there yesterday Lucie Doolittle: and you just bought that land HIM: Again, Lucie, that is your opinion. There is much content in SL. Much of what other people might call "bad" or "ugly," but it is all tolerated. HIM: You are correct. I buy land and mount signs every day. Lucie Doolittle: thats true but I don't want my stores next to your opinion so would you like to buy my land? HIM: I try to add one for every soldier, US or Iraqi who dies every day, but I'm having trouble keeping up. HIM: Well, Lucie, You sell your land on your own terms. As I make my rounds, if I come across a plot that is appropriate for my needs, I consider purchasing it. If your land ever fits the bill, I'll certainly consider buying it. Lucie Doolittle: again this is SL not RL but since you brought that up I must say when they sign on that dotted line they are signing to go to war. The free training and education is just a bonus HIM: I'm promarily interested in small scattered plots. HIM: Oh, I'm quite aware of the noble role of the soldier. I'm very aware of the risks and consequences of the millitart estate. However, I value every soldier's life so highly that I would obnly send a woman or man into harms way if there were a direct HIM: threat to my country. HIM: This is not the case, in my oppinion, in Iraq. Lucie Doolittle: whatever Im not talking about Iraq Im talking about Second LIfe Lucie Doolittle: Maybe you should seek treatment for the mental disorder you seem to have HIM: Thanks for your feedback Lucie. If you'd like to discuss this more at a later date, I'd be very happy to, but I'm in the middle of a meeting. I need to get ack to business. Lucie Doolittle: and for anger managment HIM: Thanks again. Lucie Doolittle: the 2 treatments may do you good Lucie Doolittle: have a nice day and happy holidays to you HIM: Enjhoy your Second Life, Licie. RESPECTFULLY yours, Lazarus Divine. I don't really see how he was being offensive... he certainly didn't assume YOU had a mental disorder just because you weren't agreeing with his pov. _____________________
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