Sith groups and other pathology on SL

Second Life allows for situations people would never allow in real life. Or not. But it remains that end users will have to provide their own protection on SL as the Lindens will not allow a police force officially at this time. Their policy is to increase their bottom line. However Simulations reflect real life in that there is a considerable gang influence in Second Life. I refer to the Star Wars inspired "Sith" groups as well as other evil gangs. The only influence Second Life will have is the banning the use of scripted weapons in non combat areas. The rest is up to the end user. I bring this to the attention of all users on Second Life that they may rise up in anger against the Sith, who represent real chaos and evil. Simply searching Sith in Find will open your eyes to the problem, which at this time is NOT adressed by official policy. Evil flourishes where good men do nothing........I call on all decent members of second life to rise up and fight against the gangs on Second life by any means available, the gangs represent the ONE means that Second Life would become a cyber gutter. Already the Sith are preparing push weapons that will displace end users out to TEN Sims away. The arms race here has gotten way beyond ridiculous.

That, uh, sounds pretty serious.

I wouldn't worry, though. I'm sure all those kiddies will soon be discovered and deported to the Teen Grid.

edit: Also, here's a super secret weapon that may help you against these Sith: Sit on a cube.

I'm not joking.

the downfall of the galactic empire: small plywood cubes

hahahaha!

coco

How dare you suggest the 187 members of Sith-named groups could be defeated by a plywood cube!

The only solution is to sit on a 1x1x1 cylinder, properly textured of Ebony wood.

All else is futile.

For extra safety, sit on a patented Cubey Terra (tm) DEFAULT CUBE!
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Kind of like the way the downfall of the copy protected CD (again, from the evil empire) is either the shift key or a magic marker.

War in Jesse: is it upon us? , whoops, wrong thread.

A Jedi's skill for defense he uses, never attack....

There was a sith this week end at a dance, he was standing still doing nothing. I guess he tried to lifts other avatars in the air with the Force

Anyway, don't put everyone in the same bag, I'm sure there's Sith who like to RP (which is harmless), or are you suggesting the whole group is filled with griefers out to shoot everybody ? (in which case, let's see them try to resist the Lindens' ban powers...)

I sense a great disturbance in the force....

..oh wait, nevermind. That was just lag.



- Newfie

The problem with the Sith groups is that all the Star Wars fans, good in nature or not, are attracted to it because Sith are inherrently "allowed" to do anything they can. The Jedi (most of us anyways, the ones that do not eventually turn to Sith) are in this for the roleplay aspect, and only focus on a few "realistic" powers and our sabers. There are a few Sith who play by these Star Wars canon rules as well.

The problem is not that these are Sith - the problem is that these are Sith in SecondLife who will use anything they can. For instance, no Sith in the movies (maybe in some of the games) could Force push another Force adept thousands of meters away. Likewise, no Sith could grab another Force adept and drag him around like a yoyo. It just doesn't happen.

One of the distinctions I hold in my Jedi groups (Order of the Jedi and Jedi Honor) is that we play by the Star Wars rules. We don't use every LSL trick we can think of to put down our enemy as fast and effectively as possible.

In addition to people standing up to the childish and abusive Sith (again, not all Sith), I beg the actual Sith in SL to start playing by the rules. No Sith should use mega-pushers or Hand of God. Not every Sith will have Force Lightening. I ask ALL Star Wars Force-related fans to get back to the basics. Sabers and the occassional push/grab is all we really should be using.

So let's stop all the childish "I am better than you because I can pull a Nuke out of my... wrist" and get back to some good roleplay. SecondLife is not about conquering, it is about leading another life, roleplaying and actually living that life.

Cheers,
Marcus
(aka Master Marcus of the Jedi Alliance)

George Lucas is gonna get you.

The Force ...

Is like Duct Tape ..


Its dark on one side / light on the other

And holds the universe together.


.................

Go to home depot and buy more duct tape.

Agreed. The Grey Jedi will have similar rules.

As far as Force powers go, in SL I've seen some fairly unrealistic powers being demonstrated by both Sith and Jedi alike. I would like to see that curtailed to a more canon level.

As far as Sith go, I went to visit a sim supposedly owned by Sith, only to be verbally assaulted by a group of them, to the point that it was not worth even sticking around to try to roleplay. If there's players interested in roleplaying Sith there, you'd never know it from the animosity they fling (there's roleplaying being Sith, then there's just being assholes... one can tell the difference even without tremors in the Force).

As for the Grey Jedi... we are just getting set up now (er, finally created the group yesterday ) and we welcome new members who are interested in a more philosophical approach to Star Wars roleplay, focused on the balance between the Light and the Dark. The group is open enrollment. We are currently without a temple, but a training center is being erected.

-Ghoti

Ps.
~Jedi Ghoti's belief in the nature of the Living Force~
There is no Dark side or a Light side of the Force. Rather, it is the intention of the wielder that causes the Force to manifest as Dark or Light.

I will have to say that I am also a bit confused by the Gray Jedi. If you are not a Jedi of the order, then you are not a Jedi at all. Jedi implies you serve the light side, and serve as a protector of all life. If you are not in such an Order, then you are just a Force Adept. The name "Gray Jedi" or "Dark Jedi" implies that there can be dark-side-using Jedi, which is simply not the case. Even if some of the games or comics describe Dark Jedi, I just don't see it being right. It'd be like saying, "Hey, we're a group of Satanic Catholics."

However, if your group is going to roleplay and help try to fix the immaturity that has plagued SL Star Wars, then I welcome it. The Dark Lords of the Sith group has yet to earn my respect as a "dark" Force-related group. Find myself or Masters Marymac Dougall and Obaanah Kuhr for the true Jedi groups in SL.

Marcus

PS: Do not try and change my mind. While I am quite an open-minded person, I am not very open on this one. Jedi means Jedi to me.

Umm hehe is a big difference though -

Satanic Catholic is referring to an established religeon with over two thousand years of traditions, etc.

Whether or not people beleive in God, the existance of the catholic church and the millions who have followed its teaching have survived throughout the centuries.

The Jedi are a Science fiction creations of one grey haired man who came up with a Space fantasy in the early 1970's. His own assertions on the Jedi are not even truley internally consistant from the story of Star Wars and the Final Movie he produced. Literally - the powers of the Jedi and the Sith increased with the ability to make cooler special effects =p.

I think A VAST majority of all the "Jedi and Sith", etc ammount to basically fan fiction and they are taking ideas from these movies and running with them. Considering this; MOST of all these "rules" "definitions" and "powers" are just as <made up> as the "Grey Jedi"

Uh oh! Now it's on! ohhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Colette,

I think you are missing the point. The Jedi religion, fictional or not, is based on the same principles as Daoism or Buddhism. So having a Buddhist who basically does what he wants in his religion, not serving to protect life in all its forms as Buddhists do, really just does not make sense. Same thing for the Jedi.

You say the Jedi religion is fiction and Buddhism (or Catholicism in my example) is real. Well, that is not the point. SL is fake too. We're just talking about principle here. And Roleplay.

My point then: Gray/Dark Jedi - pick another name, as Jedi does not apply.

Marcus

Hmmm i didnt think the Jedi were a religeon even in the movies -

Moff Tarkin (sp) refers to it as such in a deragortary way to Vader in the first movie, but im not sure he means it as such. Remember Darth is told he has sorcerers' ways, and obi wan is called an "old wizard". I dont believe any of the Jedi refer to it as a religeon, nor as magic - only the superstitious uneducated.

It seems the Jedi are supposed more an order of peace keepers. The term Jedi knight refering to a crussader of sorts. ("For a thousand generations the Jedi .." from Obi Wan in the first movie)

A religeon where only the gifted were able to practice it seems odd in and of itself. The theme I beleive is that very very few can learn the ways of the force. Where religeons are generally for the good of all who embrace them.

If belief in the force is supposed to be a religeion in the Star Wars universe - then would the actual religeon would still be "Jedi"? or would the Jedi be more like Monks who have learned to harness power derived from it.

I find it interesting the mythology of these movies is so contested - specifically becuase it seems the entire story gets dumbed down from movie to movie. The first two movies I found interesting - the fantasy invented seemed much more intriguing , while later installments really seemed tailored more for kids. I attribute a lot of that to all the "neato" special effects that became available.

Grey Jedi are as much Jedi as the Light-side Jedi. I refer you to the wiki page for Qui-gon Jinn, who is said to have been a Grey Jedi. Are you saying Qui-Gon was not a Jedi?

As far as stuff being 'made up', its all made up. The Star Wars mythos has taken on a life of its own. I embrace the Extended Universe for source material as much as the movies.

The Grey Jedi are about Balance. I suggest you do some research into Daoism and its outlook on 'good' and 'evil' and the balance of the two.

-Ghoti

I think the term Jedi refers to more of a monk. They are specifically trained to use the Force for the benefit of life and to protect Life. In that sense, if Qui-gonn was indeed a grey jedi at some point, I personally would not have considered him a Jedi at that point. I think it is a misnomer.

Let's just drop the argument of Grey/Dark Jedi - I think there is room for discussion, but maybe in a different thread. In this thread, we're tring to say that the immaturity must stop and true and canon roleplaying must prevail.

Ghoti: perhaps we could meet on SL to have more discussions. I will try to find you next time I am on.

Marcus

One time I was at a book store and the book store sales guy saw me looking at a book, he was like, that Star Wars book is so cool. So I bought it and went home and read it. Then the next day I went back to the book store, he was like "how was the book" and I was like "it was so cool, I like the part with Boba Fet" We talked for a while and like exchanged opinions on various Star Wars book. So he told me to read some Star Trek book and I was like "Star Trek is for losers". He looked at me and was like "Dude, NOT" and I was like "DUDE YES" and then we were argueing if Star Trek was as worthy as Star Wars. And he was like "THe new Star Trek books are so cool" and I was like "DUDE, NOT" So I said to hell with star anything and bought a book about the first mass murderer in New York, it was about a guy who killed little girls in the late 1800/ early 1900. After reading that I was all depressed and I didnt have any medication left so I went back to the book store and was like "Dude, Whats that Star Trek book, I'll give it a shot" but he didnt remember me so he recommended a different one that had a cooler looking cover so I bought it and then I went home and read it and then after I was done I went back and told him that I didnt care for Star Trek much. He was like "DUDE ARE YOU CRAZY". I didnt want to gt into another arguement so I asked about the newest Star Wars book. He had not read it yet because he didnt want to spoil the movie. I bought it and read and when I was done I went to the book store and started telling him about it but he asked me not to spoil the movie so I kept talking and just made up fake scenes. He was like "Dude, Stop" I was like "I'm sorry.

So I went home and made a bunch of Star Wars Gesture. Sold exclusively at Mr. P's.

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