A question for club frequenters...

Average Male Height is 100. That's just the Male Domination Character. In respect to that, females to be in proportion to most males should be at height 75 to 85. Some Masters prefer their Subs to be shorter, but; some realise after consutation that more height shows more features and viewability of the Sub or Partner. Of course everyone has preferences.

Yeah ..... I was able to get in the catherdral a few times .... it was an amazing build.

* watches for Jon's skirt to blow up!>: ) *

uhhh we built a skating Rink

I got tired of the same old Best in Leather, best naked, best inred,blue or purple thing.. IMHO just popularity contests with the biggest portionof linden's going to the person who can bring the most friends. Well, Most of my friends in SL have Second Lives to live and don't need me begging them to brave horrific lag just to spend 1.5 hrs waiting on the host to decide when the votes are going to be counted. it suxxxxsss

The Rink we built has a snazzy floor and a wood floor.... with snack bar, speakers, dj booth etc. BUT what makes it different is it's a semi- recreate from my childhood.

BTW ..... anyone have a hokey pokey dance anim? LOL
planning on races, obstacle courses and prizes given out for winners....... Just for fun!


Zarah

*hugs to Kei*

Bunker Klub rocked. And it's still one of my favorite T-Shirts!

Aimee, your club rocks. I LOVE the garage feel to it, the use of baked in shadows, the little decorative touches like the signs and whatnot. I think it's brilliant.

DNA, that looks great!

I've wanted to try building some themed clubs just as a fun project, but I'm not sure what their requirements are. How do SL clubs mainly make their money? What do people do there besides dance? What special considerations are there for building a club?

Hmmmmmmm very very interesting reallly..im a club hopping fool lolll but then that is how i meet people and hang with friends...same as you all do in your own way
I have seen biudling and homes and objects that looks worse than the clubs put up, these places are stores, homes, etc etc....but then im not the owner who made them so my tastes are different than theirs but also i dont put them down for thier tastes or trying to have a place in SL.....if you dont like clubs then dont go..but do dont be childish putting them down cause you dont like them...people are always complaining about things in SL they dont like to see..the signs in air, objects, biulding or whatever it is they dont like, but they dont think that what they made someone else might not like it...one thing about SL you can do anything and be anything ..it is ever changing and so many different people...if you want boring, nothing changes, etc etc then SL might be not be compatiable with you?

For the past couple weeks i have been raving about SL..how everyone i having too much fun to act like the dam idiots in other places with thier drama, fights, and unhappiness of a place or people.....I dont tell them about the forum, for i do not want them to see that SL is just like Yahoo and all the other places with the childishness...and not give in-world a try first....

SL is such a big place really...enjoy it while it is here..dont like a place well then dont go to it..but dont put others down cause they do....
I Like SL from the clubs to the wonderful things builders make in it...pretty much it is all art in some form...just becuase i think picasso is like a child did it doesnt mean it isnt great art to someone else

rue d'alliez club there, very simple and pretty no lights go there and check it out lol

ohhh and for the person who on the green dots...correct me if im wrong but one of those itty bitty dots on that map is you plus you just put down most of SL and im sure some friends doing that all in a box comment... dont put everything in a bag and give it statistics....let the government do that lol...

"a sort of 40's nightclub: Dark, with many tables on an upper level, each lighted with small triangular lights, particle smoke hovering at the ceiling; and that upper level looking down on a large dance floor (also with tables around the edges), and a stage for a low-key band playing dusky music; with discrete, dark-suited waiters hustling quietly to meet your every need, while well-dressed men and women in low-cut gowns smoke and carry on sexy, low-key (but OUT LOUD dammit, I want to HEAR them) and clever conversation with each other at the tables, all of it dripping with intrigue and sensuality. " -- this i like also but it takes up prims and such that the owner cant afford and SL wont give more prims for smaller land....plus it would have LAG very bad lollll with adding the decor items and the people ..wish could without lag..but that is why most dont put a lot of things in the clubs with the AV's alone there is lag.....hmmm get rid of the waiters just use 2 people to be them, take the tables out not all i would say 3 on each side leaving dance floor in middle, upper level could have sofas, not many very few really, but conversation areas...it could have doorways up there also- tho they tp you to another place to save on lag- one for poker at the table that is lol, sports like in one room-on tv ....the possibilities are endless really, but with ideas we all must remember the always there LAG lolll

going to see if SL is up..Do hope i dont joygasm in my pants when i do lmaooooo

Well now, I'm thinking that maybe someone has the "look a bad apple, kill the whole orchard !!" idea stuck in their head. I welcome you to something different in the "club" theme. Come out to Healy and see the Roadhouse. No black cube, no spinning lights, NO LAG. Ill even challange club haters to show me their homes that have less lag than the Roadhouse.

Its a unique build if I do say so myself No problem finding the entrance, its only got 3 walls, the entrance is under an awning that over looks the connecting driveway. The driveway is next to a river that comes from underground and empties into a waterfall next to the park where the playground with swingsets and picnic tables are. Oh but wait, the playground is next to the skydiving platform that also happens to be next to the Roadhouse Radio Tower in which if worth the trip all by itself.

My neighbors in Healy and I all get along great, there has never been a complaint. As a matter of fact they bring their friends over to see "whats up over at the place " I challange all you club haters, come find something to complain about at the Roadhouse. Lets not catagorize what people do, try to stay open minded. If you cant find something amazing in SL once a day, its cause you dont want to.

Well, in all fairness to Lordfly, I think we misinterpreted his message. There are nice clubs out there and I'm sure Lordfly LIKES those clubs. So don't everybody get defensive (ahem *Aimee quickly tries to delete her own defensive post* )

LF is mostly addressing those clubs that are pretty much the SL equivalent of "My first hompage". With spinning cubes...and dancing jesus...and that little skeleton guy with the glowing eyes spinning around...and the midi music playing Garden of Eden by Iron Butterfly.

Though it *IS* great hearing about these cool clubs that I didn't even know existed!

OK, I can part with the waiters, but I have to have the tables! And there wasn't any TV in the forties, lol.

coco

I was compelled to grab a picture and post it.

Ok bud, now you HAVE to post a pic of TEH TOWER !!

Wish I wasn't at work (for many reasons), so I could post a pick of Perilous Pleasures. It' definitely not cube-like .

And when we do, we'll come to your house and haunt you for all eternity.

OK, my club's kinda lame, not really used much any more, but it's rather functional and most of the seams/edges actually do match. haha

And we,Eggy,return the sentiment tenfold.

No flashing lights,no particles,your on the dancefloor when you walk through the door,it's not a cube,it has a theme,it has a whole floor dedicated to just lounging about with your friends,a lagoon,a fair and a mall.

Oh and the colours are pretty too

********OK, I can part with the waiters, but I have to have the tables! And there wasn't any TV in the forties, lol. ********
omg you are sooo right no tv ughggg lol....bet tables can be done if small prim or one that dont take much to load, simple in design and all but still classic....could also have the waiters but live ones, other SL'rs being ones for a job....but upstairs more intimate for friends- not sexually - but more private...maybe rounded sofas with round table in front....with candles....and the rooms off there ....the poker/card room and smoking room....just a couple rooms really... one for the guys and one for the girls..lollll.....also on stage u know cant do big bands....but could do a dj..or even have a singer( like the dj but sing to the club songs)..anyways gotta go am at workkk loll

I dont have any waiters =/ But I do have tables, and thanks to Kreative Kitchens they are functional dinner tables, at which you and the other half can enjoy a nice sunset dinner if you time it right.



I wish I could but I have yet to find an angle at which you can get the entire tower in. While I'm out riding my bike I can start seeing it 3 sims away.

but wait... isn't this what the forums for? misinterpretation... defensiveness... drama!

Well, of course they do! Because you don't get out then much LOL



Um...let me rephrase that: snarling elitist attitude toward any other commerce except his own I can't possibly know if you are making more money than me, Lordfly, but I'm glad that's what it's all about for you. You're not going to publish your sales numbers, so I'm not going to, but I dunno...can you find a reasonable facsimile? Tell you what. I'll publish MY duffle bag slider numbers if you publish YOUR duffle bag slider numbers, but I think somehow for various reasons this is a contest I'm going to LOSE



I think people already illustrate that they don't go to the architectural miracle? They just go to the black boxes.



Well real virtuality proves you wrong? Because people tend not to do what is rationale or artistic, but what works for them, and we see the aggregate of that mass taste.

This seems to be another post that amounts to: oh, the masses are philistines with lousy artistic taste and they don't seem to understand why they should hire me and have me instill joygasm in their lives!



People don't do what is rational and aesthetic. They do what works for them and what is fun.



Well which is it? Are you an artist? Or a capitalist, Lordfly? You're neither...you're an errand boy sent by grocery clerks who's come to...oh, never mind... You're telling me that you make more money than me in the game. OK, I'm glad in your niche, you make more money in the game. You have talent, and you get paid for it, including by me. So why do you need to use that vaunted aesthetic perch in the game to slam everybody else with condescending arrogant posts? And don't accuse me of arrogant condescending posts, because I only began my flame wars by pushing back against the likes of you. I don't have that kind of arrogance because I don't froth at the mouth over these clubs. I don't want them in or near my residential neighborhoods, I'm merely a NIMBYist on this, but if somebody wants to buy land in a commercial area and do them, why stop their freedom? They are an engine of commerce in this game.



I'm sorry that the masses have not woken up to your aesthetic superiority, Lordfly. Why don't you try buying some land, designing a club, and then selling the land and club building together to see if club owners can "get it"? I'm thinking this is going to be hard.



The people who have done this can tell you it doesn't work. Why don't you be the latest to try it again and enlighten us.



OK, Lordfly, thanks for sharing. I'm glad its been fun for you watching me "hemorrage money" including...on yourself ROFLMAO.

Your post is just the lastest puny whine from a callow youth whose message seems to boil down to this:

Why can't all the club owners realize they should hire me and pay me a lot of money to build their clubs so I can pay for college instead of clicking to their dumbass black boxes?

And the answer is: maybe because you insult their intelligence?

??





I don't make nearly the amount that you do, prok'n'beans. Including my stipend I make around 2k a week on average.





The myriad of posts above seem to be proving otherwise.





So the message here is not even try? Why did you commission so many nice houses in Ravenglass? Why not just plop down 40 or so victorian prefabs? Obviously they sell more.




I'm so glad you can distill my posts down to a paragraph, prok. Now if you could only condense your insane meandering down to less than a page, the community would be better off.




A laggy particle box is fun? OK.




Why is this an either-or question? Why can't you be both?





Dodge, parry, thrust. Quote me where I said that, please.

And finish your sentence, dunderhead.




Not anymore.




Mirror, mirror, on the wall...



Aah, the classic "well, *I* didn't start it, YOU did!" ruse.

If you're going to accuse me of being a condescending, artistic, head-up-my-ass jerk, I can do the same to you.



No, you just froth at the mouth at: FIC, "big ugly builds", personal attacks, the lindens, land ownership rights, anti-capitalism, shadow governments, "linden plots against you", and elitist attitudes.

Your froth is bigger than my froth.



So you don't give a hoot where a club is, as long as it's Not In Your Backyard? Seems kinda selfish, prokkie.

Furthermore, the land next door to yours is just as much commercial space as anywhere else in the game. But you won't hear any of that.




To use one of your tactics, "I can't be bothered to prove you wrong again, i dont' want to be shouted down".




The people quoting above your trainwreck posts seem to be postulating otherwise.




If you're making enough money to pay for a tier on a sim AND pay architects roughly 10 times what they normally make AND post a profit, more power to you. But I doubt you're pulling through.



Once again, thanks for sticking words in my mouth and condensing my thought processes. IF you could consolidate the ramblings of you and your 393 alts next, the world would be a better place.



Pot to kettle, come in kettle...

LF

I don't make nearly the amount that you do, prok'n'beans. Including my stipend I make around 2k a week on average.

Ah, are you going to call me the same nickname as Vexx Manque now? Let's see...do I make more than $2000, after tier, and after expenses, per week..hm....I think I do, yes. But maybe not some weeks, dependings on if I am trying to do a new project or not. The expenses are so great, you can't really get ahead much I find.


The myriad of posts above seem to be proving otherwise.

Don't make me choke on my Diet Coke so early in the morning, LF. Aimee and her gal pals post a few hugz and you call that a "myriad"? huh? But those aren't typical clubs. The real clubsters aren't reading the forums, or didn't you figure that out yet?




Because I do try? I do try. And I'd like to get *just a little more credit* from condescending people like you. But I don't, do I? I do think it is worth trying. But you can try without having to bark at all the black box people in the process from an elitist perspective.




Thanks. I thought I did a good job of distilling your posts. You haven't corrected me. You've merely complained that my posts are too long LOL.



Yeah, I think that's weird, too, so I don't go to them anymore but a good number of green dots go to the laggy particle boxes. Go know. Maybe because they're in Im's doing cybersex and stuff so they don't notice? I'm not sure how it works. A laggy particle box might be just the perfect backdrop you need to focus on your cybersexing better, maybe?


Maybe? I dunno. You try it and tell me.




In your first post, you implied you made more money. You implied that I "hemorrhaged" money. Now you're saying the opposite. Which is it.



Yeah, the medieval guild can always punish people whose views they don't like and behavior they disapprove of, by refusing to accept their commissions, hmmm? It's not like a real marketplace where business tends to wipe out clan warfare of this more primitive type, it's more like a medieval village or a very stuffy small town in Middle America that boycotts anybody it doesn't approve of. Sure, I got how that worked alright. You withdrew from my group and pretended it was too many groups. You refused my commissions and said you were busy in RL instead of saying what you REALLY meant which was: "I hate what you post in the forums so I'm going to boycott you". But now you're illustrating with your dead-pan remark that it is REALLY about the forums. You think you have perfectly leveled me by saying "not anymore".

Except...I'm still free to come and buy your prefabs, as are my alts. ROFL. Unless of course you put me and my alts on lot ban LOL.



Um, you're mixing it up LF. I don't have a vaunted or aesthetic perch. Indeed, my buildings have been pronounced um...."garish" and "too pink" by some of the "best architects and their commissioners" ROFL. And...I slam without being condescending and arrogant, by merely being feisty. I think you're mispresenting my style lol.


If you go back and search the posts, you'll see that it was only when you began to post all these comments against people's mass tastes that I began to directly oppose you. Study all your posts that have my first answers back to you, and you'll see that's the case.



Thanks for calling me artistic, LF, that made my day!




I don't froth at "big ugly builds" unless they 1) lag server performance; 2) are used to mount warfare on others; 3) significantly diminish the enjoyment of the game for others due to hogging the horizon.

I don't attack "the Lindens" as any kind of whole, because I've found that "the Lindens" are a grab-bag of attitudes and policies that don't make any coherent sense LOL.

I'm not aware of a single post I've ever run that talks about any "Linden plot against me." I'm not aware of any "Linden plots against me," are you? Please find those references.



Yeah, I'm no different than 99 percent of the other people here. Actualy I have several areas where I do have a club in my backyard, and I don't do anything about it. What CAN I do? but wait for it to go away. I have one area where I have bought the parcels on 4 sides of the club, and I'm waiting to see if I have the energy to build something high and tall right out to the property line on at least 3 of them LOL.



Which area are you referring to?




Um, one of the ways I've been pulling through more lately LF is I don't pay architects 10 times what they are worth anymore ROFL.


Find a place where I have insulted someone's intelligence in the usual forums matter? That's actually not something I do.

If I made a club it'd be made out of cheese and candy.

Actually I did help make a club, was called Snow Crash and it looked pretty good I think, but we took it down after a while, it was semi-popular, and actually I don't understand the ideas behind it but whatever.

Anyways, I think LF is refering to the popular clubs, there's a lot of good clubs out there but let's face it, a lot of the "best" clubs are the ugliest ones. That is the ones that are in your face with events all day long and usually have a cadre of deathly silent people doing the side-step half nude.

I've been in SL over six months (that short? feels like a lifetime!) and have been grazing in the forums for a while now. However, this is the first time I've felt strongly enough about an argument that's raged on one of these threads to comment myself (Yes, I'm currently building a club, but will refrain from mentioning it here to avoid creating the impression that this post is about publicity rather than opinion.)

I have to say I feel faintly disgusted by the pure capitalist belief that some posters here seem to hold. That the only reason anyone would want to create a club in SL is to drain the L from the virtual pockets of the populace - or at least to attempt to offset RL tier investment. Not everyone in SL that owns or runs a business is in it for the money or feels that their hard work must in some way be paid for.

Real-life clubs make their money from drink and entrance fees. Neither of these are viable areas of exploitation in SL, and still remain two of the most contentious parts about visiting RL clubs anyway. Leaving aside further innovation of the club business this leaves the other, now standard, methods for revenue generation used by most club owners - events, vendor space rental, gambling, and dancing/escorting/stripping/etc. While all of these are valid means of generating revenue, none of them are truly enough to offset the RL cost of the tier required to service even a medium-sized club - much less some of the huge clubs we've seen so far in SL. In fact some of these activities are as detrimental to the 'club experience' in SL as high entrance fees and extortionate drinks prices are in RL clubs.

In my opinion there is only one real reason to build and own a club in SL. It's because you want to create a place where people can relax, feel welcome, and enjoy themselves; hang with friends or meet new, interesting people; earn a little L to get themselves that new top or hairdo they've had their eye on; or simply phase out listening to some good music and people-watch.

This goes not just for the guests, but also for those girls and guys that work there.

The emphasis is on the people that are there and how you can help them enjoy their Second Life, not how much cash you can rake from their pockets before they get bored and wander away. I'm horrified that this attitude is considered to be in some way foolish or second-class, particularly by people in such a socially-oriented world as SL. Yes I pay high tier fees, but I do so to see my work being enjoyed and appreciated by other people, not as an investment expecting a return.

Equally I rile against the implied idea that builders (of any description) MUST aspire to some architectural ideal regardless of popularity, lag, or prim count. There are limitations to the capabilities of SL (even more in the case of places that are expected to have a high green-dot count) and the result of these limits is compromise and innovation. Some design aspects have to be dropped because high-def textures or particular script usages cause too much lag; conversely, more prims (and therefore more lag) have to be used to provide an interesting design feature that you feel 'makes' the build. There is no black and white, only compromise.

Yes, there may be builds of differing 'quality' in SL (of houses, clubs, shops and much more), but it's not anyone's place to comment on whether these builds should or should not be. The only thing that can be done is for each of us to ensure that our own builds are of a standard that satisfies our own criticisms, and the criticisms of the people whose opinions we trust. Sometimes people's ambitions or visions outstrip their abilities to build, script, or afford to sub-contract - I see no reason to attempt to punish people for that. SL is not about being the best at something (although that would be nice), it's not even about competing: it's about taking part and being involved in a community that at times is sadly lacking in RL. Fail to see that and you miss out out on the whole point.

Sorry for the fairly lengthy 'rant' but I feel that a lot of people lose sight of the fact that most people's requirements of SL extend as far as entertainment and their social lives. Only a minority want to spend their SL in the endless pursuit money that already dominates our RL.

Why?

What you are describing then is not a business, it is a charity. A business exists to make a profit.



Why? a $L25 entrance fee makes a club feel "exclusive" to its patrons, keeps out potential riffraf, and offsets your no-doubt sizable tier costs. No one does it for... who knows why. They should, if they don't want to throw thousands of dollars down a hole.

And I don't see how these are contentious points about going into a RL club... they exist to make money. Even if they didn't, electricity, water and rent aren't free. A cover charge and charging for amenities is a fair way of keeping it floating.




If running a club were all about charity, then no doubt someone could come up with a cheaper way of running them; you don't need an entire sim's worth of tier to build a club; Indeed, a standard 4096 plot would be more than enough, if the space were designed right.

Vendors, dwell events, gambling, etc. are not exactly activities I would associate with non-profit institutions; it sounds like rather they are trying to make a buck, and perhaps failing at it.



Truly, good for you. Nevertheless, a sizable amount of people are in SL "for the money". Most folks in SL aren't as charitable as you, giving your tier for a hangout spot without any sort of chance of a monetary offset or reward. Most want some return on their hard work and efforts aside from the occasional pat on the back or a thank you.



Yes, but if your compromise turns your club into a misaligned cube with seams in the walls and exploding particle bombs, it is not a good compromise. A club can be properly built without slapping people in the face.



I beg to differ. If someone claims they are the best builder in SL, indeed bragging about their exploits, but even the most casual observer can see that their skills are lacking, they need to be knocked down a few pegs.

Does this mean "I'm right, you're wrong?" Of course not. For every good builder in SL, there are a myriad of good styles. But there is a difference between technical excellence and artistic excellence; one can be critiqued, one cannot.




Your whole point, perhaps; there are about 50,000 other reasons people come and play in SL.

Dunno bout the rest of yas, but I think Prokofy and Lordfly should get a room. I'm just sayin....