NWN update on "Impeach Bush" controversy-- please post actions here!

I dropped my land because of RL financial setbacks. I'm not going to get land again until this is resolved, and we see some more stability.

He also asked to hear from people who tiered down.

Back when this first went on, I actually used the old "root prim on my land, child prims on yours" in a fairly CS-violating move to block his signs with parodies. I think the SL Herald, in one of it's rare "OMG, we report news?!" moments, covered it.

I have been passing out Lewis's petitions to everyone I've met. Thanks for the Media coverage we could really use it. And there are several ways around this situation but none of them have or seem to be working. SL is not run by the majority on here but rather by a dictator and that is THE LINDENS.

When I talked to them in world I was told nothing could be done about it, so that is why i brought it to the forums. Like it or not one person is all it takes to set the wheels of change in motion.

Now stop chanting Freedom of Speech this guy probably doesn't even know what his signs say. He is only putting them around nice builds so that the nearby owners will be forced to pay hundereds of US dollars to take them down. I call that BlackMail and Land Extortion.

Daltrey Pow-I Will Not Rest Until I Have Been Freed Of This Injustice

I've been posting pics of the Impeach Bush signs all over the internet, in MMORPG forums, chat rooms, etc, showing people what the landscape of Second Life looks like now. If that's not action, I don't know what is.

Chat rooms are the best because feedback is quick. "Wow -- they sure don't show that on their homepage," was one comment.

I did take my own advice from somewhere, and used the links from the Roam search page to file 20 or so abuse reports.

I see now that one can do the same thing even better using the in-world land sales feature, just sort by name, visit one, file abuse report, take picture, snapshot to Snapzilla, proceed to next one, when done, copy pictures from Snapzilla to sites where people who might be interested in Second Life might be looking, and let them know not to waste their money or if they do just contact Anshe or Prokofy about land first if they want land.

I'm too lazy to go beyond the snapshot to Snapzilla stage.

How many names are on the petition right now?

Hey Lewis will you start a thread that has your petition on it and tells people where they can find it and how they can send it in. I was roaming all over SL yesterday going to people nearby the signs and none of them had ever heard of this petition but they were definately in favor of it so i passed it along to them and they also said they would help spread the petitions around. Could you also tell where the cube for the notecards are located.

Hey, Aaron, urls please.

Thanks Hamlet, there weren't enough fucking threads about this topic in this forum already.

No, it's Prokofy Neva's, I just said it was adjacent to my property as the landmark was in my signature I did, however, make the anti land extortion sign about it which you're welcome to use.

I'm sure there are others but the one I'm talking about is a box on Coco's land, if you go to my landmark and walk up the road to the pond and fountain, it's just over the fence, you can't miss it, it contains all the instructions about what to do with it in the contents.

Lewis

Yes I know I have signed it and passed it out. I need to let the rest of the SL citizens know. Thank You

There you go Hamlet, drama and the campaigh unfolding before your very eyes! Isn't this exciting!!!!

Contact Prok... thats where the names should be going.

Lewis

I don't think any resident actions will have an effect, unless they influence LL to do something.

And this proves what?

"oh no, the lindens let residents do what they want! the shame."

There's no way you're going to get rid of this guy without infringing upon your freedoms in this world.

"but LF THERE ARENT ANY FREEDOMS ZOMFG FACIST DICTATOR"

Yeah whatever. I've been able to build whatever I want on my land for over 2.5 years now, and I'm not about to stop because some people can't pan the camera away from an ugly blue sign.

It has the effect of giving Hamlet fodder to write a story "Residents Take to the Streets to Protest That Which My Boss Has Already Said is Non-Contestable".

Ahhhh, I can fairly smell the liberty of a non-free press which is essential to the maintainence of a monarchy.

Does no one but me find this bit of post hoc pot stirring by the same firm that has already decided an issue as odd? I'm not saying such is not their prerogative, but why?

I wish that New World Note article was correct. I would gladly pay this guy $2-$4 dollars to remove his signs from all around my property and stuck purposefully right in my window. He is asking several hundred US dollars.

If somebody really wants to get rid of these signs that badly:

Create an exact copy of the Impeach Bush sign or get ahold of the texture. Then copyright/ trademark it in real life. LL will then have to make Lazurus take it down because it violates copyright and the ToS. Just an idea...

Our only 'freedoms' are those that LL tell us we can have. It's a private company, they can decide whatever they like, and we either comply or don't play (either by choice, or by being banned), it's that simple.

Quit all this 'free speech' crap, the US constitution does NOT apply in SL. I get fed up with americans claiming 'constitutional rights' online everywhere I go.

The only reason that LL are doing nothing is because they haven't got the balls to make a decision and remove a griefer from the game, and stand behind their decision to do so.

Lewis

Because they haven't finished deciding about this issue, Introvert.

coco

Great idea. Griefers will still have land to buy because you can't control all of it (nor can you know who all of the griefers are). And there will be less land for non-griefers to buy without taking the trouble to IM someone.

If our favorite Asian land baroness had a strong opinion on this topic, we could count on her to say something like "I vow to put an end to this guy even if it costs me millions of Lindens".

Yes thanks, you obviously didn't read the rest of my post that already covered it.

My point is, the Lindens have "given" us "freedom" in our little playground called the grid. I guess you could stamp your feet and declare them "corporate facists" or whatever, but the fact remains that they give us, have given us, and probably will continue to give us vast amounts of leeway in how our world is run. That is, individual expression trumps groupthink.

Welcome to Second Life: Where you can do shit you can't pull in any other game. But so can your neighbors. If you don't like it, the gated communities of There and TSO, which are locked down like gulags, are always clamoring for members.

Yes, that's a cheap tactic, to tell you to go somewhere else. But seriously, if Impeach Bush is pulled down, then so will every other build that is deemed subjectively "ugly" by whatever vocal minority is here on the forums that week. Do you really want that?

Let me put it this way: Do you want me, a total forum jackass, to be able to tell you, a fine upstanding SL citizen, what you can or cannot do with your land?





Why? The constitution does not grant these rights; it simply states them. To Americans, all human beings have those rights from birth.



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First, define griefing. Hint: it can't be "Griefing is whatever I don't like."

Second, define extortion. Protip: it's only extortion if you have no other choice without suffering dire consequences. The choice is to ignore the god damned signs.

Third, tie those two definitions to the Impeach Bush guy in such a way that won't set a precedent to allow for me pulling down your house/shop/sexballs because I find it "extorting my view and griefing my game".

Extra Credit: Don't use the excuse that because LL owns the world, they can do whatever they want. They have shown time and again that they refrain from using those powers precisely because they would have a chilling effect on the grid.

Simple. "RL political protest". That has nothing to to with ugly, and nothing to do with preference. It's a clear-cut example of a specific thing that has no place in SL.


Generally a very good policy. But the fact is that they do own the world and they can do whatever they want.


The Constitution doesn't state rights that human beings have. It states what power the U.S. government has over its citizens. In other words, if I tape your mouth shut, I'm not suppressing your freedom of speech. If Congress passes a law saying that your mouth must remain taped shut, then they are suppressing your First Amendment rights.

Let's see, built a nice waterfall feature to hide the signs, to which he responed by makeing it a 10x10x10 spinning cube infringing on my property, filed report nothing happened, boxed it in with the parent prim on my property, lead to a nice converstation, so i just built a 3 sided box around it no matter where he put it. My neighbor bought his 48 sq meter lot for 2500l to get rid it. I gave her 500L of it, in reflection i should have given her all of it. Found out he had land in turnip, Hoz sign rentals had a plot in the middle for rent just out side his partners house so i rented space for 4 weeks put up a nice sign of my own. Bush sign guy offered Hoz's owner lot of money and he sold... wonder if I will get my 3 weeks rent back around 300L. My SL G/F had not bought first land yet and there was a plot overlooking his so she bought it and we erected a huge sign of GW saying Howdy Neighbor. I haven't signed petition yet because I didn't know about it, but i will.

I have had a few conversations with this individual, he is very intellignet, converses well and has nothing to say other than Its his right to awake the dumb kids. I think that his signs are counter productive if it really is his cause.

Why doesn't it? During the 2004 US election, there were tons of pro-Kerry and pro-Bush posters, and there was even a New World Notes-sponsored debate. It would be rather hypocritical to try to shut down Lazarus because of some goofy "no RL politics" rule now.

And past that - you take any yellow text and put in on a blue background and then make a cube with that texture, and people will STILL bitch. The message has absolutely nothing to do with it. Barring RL political images or discussion from SL is not only beside the point, it fixes absolutely nothing.