NWN update on "Impeach Bush" controversy-- please post actions here!
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Hamlet Linden
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01-08-2006 09:39
I'm writing a New World Notes update on "IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE", so I'm trying to gather together a full list of actions-- campaigns, protests, builds, votes, etc.-- that have been taken in for or against the "Impeach Bush" cubes. So far, despite multiple inquiries in-world and in the Forums, I've only really been able to find three: - An in-world call to boycott the "Impeach Bush"sign instigator. - A proposition to let Residents opt to block out textures according to creator: http://secondlife.com/vote/index.php?get_id=866Which so far has just 46 voters. - A large landowner using the prevalence of the signs as an advertising point to sell their own estate. Anything else I've missed? Again, I'm talking about actions, not suggestions, or arguments, or polls.
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Joy Honey
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01-08-2006 09:47
You mean all these threads about this one subject and only 3 courses of action have been put forward?  Where's the creativity?
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Merwan Marker
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01-08-2006 09:53
From: Joy Honey You mean all these threads about this one subject and only 3 courses of action have been put forward?  Where's the creativity? Yeap - go figure! Thanks Hamlet - I'll hyperLink to this thread... 
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Lewis Nerd
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01-08-2006 10:04
Come to my property, next door there's a box which contains action suggestions and a petition to sign and pass to Phil Linden - which I did.
There's also my "say no to land extortion" sign - which floats above my property.
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Introvert Petunia
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01-08-2006 10:04
Don't reporters traditionally seek out information to report upon? Is this like New Journalism or sumptin?
I guess I partly understand your solicitation as there is certainly a paucity of discussion of the matter on these forums.
Finally, as an employee of Linden Lab, who has already declared the matter closed and decided, couldn't this be construed as muckraking?
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Hamlet Linden
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01-08-2006 10:09
Someone just suggested to me that tiering down in direct response to this issue represents a concrete action-- true enough. If you fit in that category and have followed through on that action, please attest so here.
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Siggy Romulus
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01-08-2006 10:12
There are people in world who have retaliated by building within the TOS to obstruct his signs - making thier builds phantom - enraging him to the point of him violating the TOS with harrasment.
Why exactly WAS he sent to the cornfield? Does anyone know - hey theres a guy who was there WHEN he was sent there! Maybe he knows?
-- Just when you think you finally have a day off.... sheesh.
Ok I'm freakin tired and my spelling sucks today - blow me.
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Mystic Soothsayer
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01-08-2006 10:23
In Modest, we have built a tower around his signs and they still fall within the TOS, we also successfully negotiated a small land swap so that the head of our land group OWNS all the land surrounding his 48m which he wants 600$ USD for
he has stooped to griefing us on many occasions but does it with alts and other means. personally this doesnt bother me, the griefing because I refuse to let it. it has however bothered enough of our neighbors that some of them are tiering down and the rest are leaving modest or have left.
the only way to get rid of this person and his tactics is to simply try to ignore as much as possible his nonesense, and do NOT buy his land period, ever
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Laukosargas Svarog
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01-08-2006 10:41
I build a nice winter scene at Winter Expo and put an Impeach Bush sign over it. Most people totally missed the irony and someone from LL deleted the sign TWICE ! So I guess someone at LL dislikes the signs enough to pull them down shame they don't have the guts to do it to real guy.
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Amber Stonecutter
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01-08-2006 10:45
From: Laukosargas Svarog I build a nice winter scene at Winter Expo and put an Impeach Bush sign over it. Most people totally missed the irony and someone from LL deleted the sign TWICE ! So I guess someone at LL dislikes the signs enough to pull them down shame they don't have the guts to do it to real guy. That was a very neat build. My mate and I groaned at first, then we realised it was part of the art itself, very cool.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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01-08-2006 10:47
From: Mystic Soothsayer In Modest, we have built a tower around his signs and they still fall within the TOS, we also successfully negotiated a small land swap so that the head of our land group OWNS all the land surrounding his 48m which he wants 600$ USD for
he has stooped to griefing us on many occasions but does it with alts and other means. personally this doesnt bother me, the griefing because I refuse to let it. it has however bothered enough of our neighbors that some of them are tiering down and the rest are leaving modest or have left.
the only way to get rid of this person and his tactics is to simply try to ignore as much as possible his nonesense, and do NOT buy his land period, ever What are the names of his alts? Robin Linden has stated that naming alts in the forums is perfectly fine, so no need to feel like you are breaking any rules. Please send me a PM or an IM in-world if you don't want to mention names here, even though Robin LInden says it's OK.
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01-08-2006 10:51
Anyone still having issues over this management travesty would be better off voting with their money.
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Cory Edo
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01-08-2006 10:59
From: Mystic Soothsayer the only way to get rid of this person and his tactics is to simply try to ignore as much as possible his nonesense, and do NOT buy his land period, ever
You're right, but you're also shouting into what seems to be an abyss. Hamlet, please make sure you list "Refuse to buy the guy's land" as an action. Because its the only one that's going to make a whit of difference. I suppose petitions and what not make people feel better, though. Its like text-message voting for your favorite American Idol star.
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Cocoanut Koala
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01-08-2006 11:08
Why are you asking about what actions have been taken, Hamlet?
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Lewis Nerd
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01-08-2006 11:09
Call me cynical.... but why do I get more and more of a feeling that this is an "inside job", and the Bush sign guy is actually a Linden alt, this whole thing being a 'social experiment' to see how we react to something that annoys so many of us?
Something smells very strange here... and it isn't my Hai Karate aftershave.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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01-08-2006 11:28
My experience with ugly builds that spoiled my view predates the big "Impeach George Bush" sign furor but it is precisely the same sort of situation.
I owned some land in Cecropia. I bought it just to take down the Black Tower of Death or some such ugly build, I don't recall what it got called. The build I removed I think was owned by Darkwing Duck.
Schwanson Schlegel had one of his ugly casinos nearby with an ugly sign up in the air
Feem Lomax put a stand selling illegally copied CDs right on the edige of Schwanson Schlegel's land. The settext was annoying, a bunch of everlapped textures and no way to not see them. These builds were much more annoying than they might otherwise have been because the area was a ghost town. In a different context the casino and the bootleg music stand wouldn't have been noticeable. Anyone trying to make money from the builds being used as intended would have selected a place with some traffic.
Prokofy Neva nearby had his pink "Light" object distorting the colors of things all around and the sign itself was annoying looking.
I had already owned some land which had some things in the view I didn't like and tried the walls that cover the unwanted thing , and the trees, and buying lots of land, and the various other remedies people suggest.
So I just got fed up with it, and sold all my land, and haven't bought any since.
The "Impeach George Bush" sign is just one example of the "unwanted build in my view" problem that has existed and been discusssed continuously since the program started. Singling it out as if it was special distorts the truth.
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Travis Bjornson
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01-08-2006 12:15
From: someone In all this back and forth, Linden Lab has not taken a view on the spread of "Impeach Bush" signage across the continent one way or the other. They have removed a few of them, Daniel Linden, Director of Community Services, tells me. This has provoked complaints from Residents who support their message, and believed the Lindens were restricting free political speech. I would like to point out that SL doesn't have to support unrestricted freedom of speech. There are no constitutional claims here. From: someone Content is something that Linden Lab is not concerned with unless it crosses the line into 'broadly offensive' ... As of now, 204 Residents have voted, 25.49% saying "No"-- and 74.51% voting, "Yes, ban this a**hole." I think 74.51% of 204 residents constitutes broadly offensive.
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Toy LaFollette
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01-08-2006 12:18
I just ignore them anymore and ban the creator from my lands and anyone in groups he is in
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Ordinal Malaprop
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01-08-2006 12:20
From: Lewis Nerd Come to my property, next door there's a box which contains action suggestions and a petition to sign and pass to Phil Linden - which I did. Is that the Prokofy Neva one?
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Travis Bjornson
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01-08-2006 12:23
From: someone - An in-world call to boycott the "Impeach Bush" sign instigator. - A proposition to let Residents opt to block out textures according to creator: http://secondlife.com/vote/index.php?get_id=866Which so far has just 46 voters. Since both of these are *suggestions*, I will add: A call for LL to amend the TOS to prohibit these actions, and then to remove either the objects or the user.
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Sansarya Caligari
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01-08-2006 12:27
Community action: Communicate with your neighbors about your willingness to buy in your sim if they are selling (if you can afford this), work with your neighbors to buy any land set to sale, and collectively ban him from your land wherever you have land. Individual action: If you are selling your land, set the land to sale to yourself and put up a sign stating the potential buyer can IM you to purchase (Lizbeth Marlowe's brilliant idea). Also, look for the guy's alt names so you can be certain you are not selling to him. Not sure how to go about doing this last part...
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Lewis Nerd
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01-08-2006 12:28
From: Ordinal Malaprop Is that the Prokofy Neva one? Yes it is, and I've already sent my notecard to Phil Linden. Lewis
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Ordinal Malaprop
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01-08-2006 12:29
I think that Hamlet is looking for actual currently active movements and group actions, rather than suggestions.
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Cory Edo
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01-08-2006 12:37
From: Sansarya Caligari If you are selling your land, set the land to sale to yourself and put up a sign stating the potential buyer can IM you to purchase (Lizbeth Marlowe's brilliant idea).
That is an excellent idea. Here's a sign that's free for anyone to use if they'd like to follow through with that plan of action. Right click it and choose "Save image as..." then upload it from your hard drive into Second Life.
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Tony Tigereye
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01-08-2006 12:41
How about the refusal to buy any more land until this issue is dealt with by Linden Labs? That's a real action that I have heard more than one person claim to have taken.
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