Griefer Autobanning Rings.

Well, I think the OP was talking about causing trouble on the Fur Valley estate. And on that collection of islands, the admins have a policy of banning people from the entire estate when they cause trouble at one location. I think they also share their list with other furry locations throughout SL, but I'm not up to speed on how their system works. I'll poke one of the people I know to come shed some light on it (if she's involved, which I think she is).

{Disclaimer} When I said the current one, I was not referring to any particular system that will/does exist. If such a system will/does exist it would have these kind of problems unless there was a way to integrate it with other security orbs/devices {/disclaimer}

Edit:

My weppon scanner for example uses the following text message format so that it is compatible with relays and other messages.
"||SecuritySystem|Ban|[ShooterName]"|"[ShooterKey]"

You can get a free open source copy of my weppon scanner device at
Charissa 249,172,122

An SL year is 10 days long. Not sure if that is 10 SL days or 10 earth days. Either way, that's a lotta months.

FWIW, I think Havoc really is sincere. Just a hunch, but I think I'm right on this one. He's probably gonna make mistakes -- like he has in later posts in this thread. I see it as a sign that he's a young, inexperienced guy, not old and wizened like the rest of us here. I'm willing to cut the guy some slack.

Now this blacklist thing... that's kinda got me bothered. Since there's no tracking who put someone one the list, it seems it would be very easy to abuse if someone had a personal vendetta, and it would be very difficult for names to be cleared out of the blacklist if they were added inappropriately. And also, doesn't even blacklists like Spamhaus offer ways for people to get off the list if they've reformed? Shouldn't a legit griefer blacklist do the same?

I would imagine that if anyone is going to the trouble to create a blacklist-based banning system in SL, they would have taken all the obvious concerns into account.
Thus, the system they created would not simply be a list of banned names. It would also contain information as to who banned the person, where, why, for how long... etc.
Finally, as people have different preferences about who they ban, it would enable land owners to copy or not copy the ban lists of other people or groups individually based on who they trust. It would, in short, have a lot of information in it and landowners would have the ability to easily filter based on this information.
Also, I doubt such a list would be completely secret, there may be other reasons why it's not public knowledge. For example, it could still be in active development, and thus considered to be in a 'closed beta' period.

I suggest everyone chill out. If someone really has the drive and ability to create a big shared banning system, they obviously know what they are doing and have a team of people to help them.... thus, they're probably much further towards a fair, workable solution than you'd expect. Chill

Havoc you are no longer a furry!

You have been excommunicated.

Please hand your tail on the way out. kkthxbb.

One thing you need to know havok, is i got eyes and ears all over SL just like some of my fellow furry admins do (Like Ron). You can apologies all you want, and say your a changed person, but actions speak louder then words. In my mind once a griefer your always a griefer. It is true that several Furry sims share bans to protect each other. It isn't a list though. It's more like a sharing network. When someone gets banned, it gets known to all others in the network.

Even if the others did remove you from their ban list i sure wouldn't. I still have Gambit on my ban list (The last griefer who tried to publicly lie their way out on the forums). I even witnessed him griefing so he had NO chance... I was standing near him when he attacked some age players once. It may seem unfair but as felix said, we don't take griefing lightly. Infact i could say that for probably 80% of SL.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm he removed it because I pointed out to him that he was violating the ToS. It seems that though he claims to be sorry for his ignorance, he has yet to take any steps to correct it.

hrm... seeing how the officers of serenity woods aren't age players (closest thing to an age player we have is Yiffy but she's just really short and sometimes considered chibi) I highly doubt an age player banned you from our sim. If you were banned from Serenity Woods its because you're a known griefer and we don't want you here. Simple, no?

Also just a little FYI, there are many people I know who have gone the extra lengths to create a fake-griefer alt to enter your griefer groups to spy on your chats collecting evidence needed for pre-emptive bans and forewarnings to your targets. All their data is shared with neighbors and admins they know, any actual bans is up to the people recieving such information wich usually after seeing how you bragged about your last run or planning an attack on their sim will usually put your name on their list.

LL isn't gonna do anything about griefers and griefer alts so long as they countinue to artificially inflate their growth numbers for their investors to see so we as the residents gotta do whats in our power to protect ourselves. If you griefers don't like that then tough sh*t. SL will only shrink for you the more you actively cause problems. If you wanna change that start over with a new account and become a more possitive influence on society or get the f*ck out because we don't want you here if you're just gonna cause problems. Its not fair to us when you bomb our public sandboxes, wreck our events, or crash our sims so we sure as hell ain't gonna be fair to you and the rest of your kind.

Well griefers do change. i know people that when they first joined SL shot people or may of been considered a griefer at the time. They are productive now and have since stopped any of that activity.Grieifer is kind of a subjective term to. However yes SL doesnt take grifers lightly especially those that go after a specific social group inside SL. Fur's and age players are target to scrutiny all to often and get attacked alot and they take griefing even more seriously then alot of other people do. Being a fur at times I've witnessed some behavior on both sides of the equation though but i understand the furry end of things as to why they tend to act in some manners. I went to a furry sim as a human before and wasnt spoken to i came back later as a fur and they talked.

Now i kind of understand that discrimination to a degree but it still isnt right for them to do judging all humans for a couple bad eggs. I know furries are human to and i respect everyone's rights in SL in fact I fought for age players rights in SL not to long ago in a forum post. I just see discrimination on both sides one justified a bit the other just plain wrong (humans who grief furs is unjustified totally). I just think we all need to get along but i guess thats dreaming =/

Griefers change? Bah! The only GOOD griefer is a BANNED griefer!

Change or not, they will always be a person capable of that mentality. If someone broke into my house, there would be no way in hell I would trust them again - change or not. If someone has it in them to grief in the first place, they have it in them to do it again.

You mean to say that only the punishment made you realise that griefing is not a good idea? What have you got for brain? The only way you will get out of the ban list is by creating an alt and start acting like a decent sentient being from the day you are born in SL. What gave you the idea that griefing others was a cool idea? You say you were following your friend's idea of a good time? That's even worse! Are you so brain deficient that you need to follow others blindly? Can't make your own decisions? Then live with your karma and STFU!

Everyone has it in them to grief though. You, me, the person next to you in SL. We all have the mentality to grief most of us just dont act on it. I've wanted to shoot people in SL time and time again but i resist the urge to. But a griefer in a virtual world can change sometimes its honestly just stupidity or being a new player at times and other times its actual griefing. I wouldnt trust someone that broke into my house back in there either. Unless they could prove they are trust worth for a long time.

If Havok is genuinely sorry for his actions i dont see much of a problem. It doesnt mean he's going to do it again. Im sure we've all pulled something in a game in the past that would be considered griefing to someone else. You dont have to trust him but the term once something always something really is harsh. If someone geniunly wants to change they can. And peer pressure is common place as well it happens with alot of things in the world.

You are yourself an age-player with two eh children, sickness. If you fought for some unrelated group, yeah that's something, but inflating the forum with your sick age-playing propagenda while pretending to be someone aside from that community is just not done.

Holy Astroturfer!

xD

Bit harsh there and pardon but there are times you've likely followed your friends blindly. Its called peer pressure and its common place.I dont approve of griefing either in fact i take a strong stand against it and have a no weapons policy even if its just for show including sheilds of any kind. Im just saying in all honesty if havok wants to change he can he wont always be a griefer and mabye he did learn his lesson. No one can disprove that he has or hasnt.

Try to understand peer pressure he wanted his friends to like him so he went along with it and learned that its just not cool. Be it from banning or whatever he did learn a lesson or so he says and who are we to really judge it in all honesty if he griefs someone fine but you dont need to have that harsh of a tone with someone by any means.

Dude get off it and stop trolling seriously. I have 4 kids in SL that by no means makes me an age player we play a FAMILY. Ask an age player about the difference if you cant figure it out after that tough luck your the one with the problem there. You can try and play me off as an age player all you want but the 400+ people that know me in SL know differently. I have no problem with that community. That doesnt mean im Involved in it and you can say whatever you like but no one is going to listen. You dont know me or my children in SL and you dont even know what actual age play is.

Im a mother and have never had a sexual encounter with a child avatar. I've had the same partner in SL for a year now buddy.

Ok, so since your kids are in various shady age-playing groups that has nothing to do with Disney age-playing you are not involved in it?

xD.

You were defending pedophiles on the other thread, if you were Disney age-player shouldn't you be trying to show the difference instead of defending those sick bastards.

EDIT: Woot.. that was a quick profile edit -- lol !

Because he posted it and then after getting told that he wasn't allowed to do that, he deleated it.

2 of my kids are in age playing groups and i never defended pedophiles. If you in fact freaking read the thing I was defending age players which have nothing to do with pedophilia nor a sexual preference of an adult with a child. Stop trying to take the thread off course. They can be in the group if they want to its their choice they have a life outside of being my kids inside SL and they are welcome to do it. I have posted numerous times that i found it odd but i do respect their right to do it. Your just a troll and as such no one bothers listening to a word you say and likely will just start putting you on ignore. Unless you have something contrsuctive to actually bring to the argument here just shut your mouth.

As i stated mabye it was changed i was jsut curious cuz the quote after was changed to meaning that had to be changed as well but i do know that now and while that may be off as far as breaking the rules it may of been to back up some sort of case he had. Although he would of needed express permission if names were actually used in the chat log. There isnt a rule against actually using it if you do it annomously. I've seen it done elsewhere in the forums without it being taken down. Kinda just curious if it was an anonymous chat log or if he used actual names now.

Was just kind of inquiring was all .

And its not disney ageplaying or whatever you want to call it. Age play is a sexual fantasy of an adult wishing to play out the role of a child in a sexual encounter with their partner. I defend their right to do that and though i find it odd i still defend that right. Its not defending pedophiles in any way shape or form so dont even bother trying to jump on that horse because it will get you no where. I just have an open mind and respect other people's rights and the wishes between two consenting adults to act out whatever sexual fantasy they want to in private or in area's for doing specifically that fantasy. I dont protect pedophiles and if i knew a pedophile i would get them help.

You've got some problems due to a lack of knowledge on the subject and are out trolling things that have nothing to do with it. I brought up that i was protecting the rights of social groups furry and age players alike i have taken that stance for a good while in SL and neither of them have anything to do with pedophilia. Just in all honesty get off this subject. If you cant mabye your the one with the problem I got off the subject and was posting something constructive to this subject not some trolling little thing to incite people to get pissed off.

So STOP bringing this up.

I could quote you whole night, but who cares? You have a history of doing the most ridiculus defense of pedophile age-players on the forum. And now your trying to do the most ridiculus defense for griefers?! come on.

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And so on.. yuck. And dont bother editing them.

xD



So now your protecting the rights of griefers?! The logic just fails to materalize. I for one thank you for the fish.

I wont bother editing them but i will put in the fact that its not a defense of pedophiles. In fact the statement came from something else if you want to quote it entirely without cutting lil tidbits out. I said things used to be common but are now frowned upon. I wasnt defending peodophiles and im not defending griefiers either. I take a strong stand against the two. You tried to take the stuff out of context so badly its laughable. People in that thread that didnt agree with me even told you to keep quiet and that you were totally off base.

If your gunna try to make me look bad at least post the entire thing. Im not defending griefers the only thing i've even stated really was that they can change if they want to. I was just trying to get all the info here. Its fine that they ban a griefer i would to. Just to say once someone does such and such they will never change i found off base and said so that doesnt mean im defending jack. And my one quote saying the dress up as children just proves it. How about my quotes saying that the age play community actually takes a stand against pedophiles and child molestors and dont allow them if known into their community and kick them out if they are known. Or Stating that they are advocates against it time and time again.

I have not once defended a pedophile. I stated an older common practice and things in Hentai. Your attempts to take them into little tidbits to make them sound off are horrid. I know what i said and everyone else in that thread does and someone can go look back and reference it and come to their own conclusions. I'll not defend a pedophile and as stated in a previous post just a little bit ago i would try to get them help if i knew about it. I take a stand against it and i wouldnt support it if an actual child was wrong. Griefers should be banned but some people do jump the gun as a statement made above that they put spies in groups and what not to pre emptively ban a griefer before they actually do anything. Your method to make me look bad is just absurd.

Apologies for not responding sooner to this thread: I've been at SLCC, and a little out of the loop.

For the past month or so, Mera Pixel and I have been working on a distributed ban system called BanLink. BanLink is Free, and open source (with the exception of the database communication component that follows a scripter-friendly messagelink standard).

I've been hesitant to discuss it both because its still in Beta right now, and the subject of shared banlists in any form are controversial to say the least. We've been working hard to both make the system stable, and address the major concerns I think folks might have with such a system.

This is not a global ban list. What this is, is a way for similar communities to establish a one-way 'trust' with each others ban lists. The theory is, you only trust communities that ban folks for similar reasons that you would. If someone appears to be abusive with their bans, you can choose to no longer trust them, and ultimately not trusted by anyone.

If you are banned by a site that subscribes to BanLink, simply contact the owner of that site and ask to be removed from their ban list. If you are mature and reasonable about your request, most reasonable people respond in kind.

Right now, we have 5 sites online with BanLink, and are taking on additional sites *slowly* (Much to the frustration of those already involved.) If you are the owner of a popular griefing target, feel free to contact me if you're interested in participating. It may still be a couple more weeks before we can add additional sites, however.

And, if you have any questions - feel free to IM me - I just may be a bit slow to respond until I get back in world on Wednesday.

Those are from various thread, and I invite everyone to go check them out. Infact I was careful to choose things you said that were not so very incriminating. You have said far worse

If a griefer like above wishes to change, all they have to do is go make a new account. The whole point of this thread is to inflate their own ego. Ego is part of griefing, they feed and live on this. If not for attention, the whole point of griefing would not exist. This very thread, if I'm not mistaken was made by him just for his own inflation. Can you take yourself aside, put youself in the shoes of the griefer and imagine if you'd ever make a thread like this? The point being?

So stop defending the griefer.