Red Ban Lines around some Burning LIfe builds?

Bs

Oh, sorry, the other ban lines on builds at burning life.

I liked Newfie's build, it cracked me up

I was notified that I had ban lines. I didn't know I had ban lines, which means I turned them on by accident.

Other's might be the same.

The ban lines are not turn on my accident. It is something that is done by choice. The default settings do not have the ban lines up.

I'm sure there are many of us who could make a transparent texture to go on phantom prims that would do the job admirably and would be only too happy to provide it if asked.

Whilst I understand the concept, it doesn't quite work.

Lewis

I like his protest. It's very good and apt. The other builds with them that're clearly made to ban people are not.

I also ran into someone who demanded I get off of his house. He was pissed when I finally got it through to him that the plots are temporary.

I would say the land has been used for the benefit of the group. The Burning Life plots were given out to create art. Art is meant to illicit a response of one sort or another. Newfie's build has done exactly that, whether you like it or not. Simply by you reacting to his "display", he has created a successful build. Art is in the eye of the beholder. Just because you don't get it, doesn't mean you have to let the world know it missed your mark.

Besides, who said art has to be "fun" for others. Who said art has to be "convenient" for others? If this were the case, the only "art" would be cheesy, yet, quirky posters bought at the local mall and hung with thumbtacks for convenience sake.

Art is only seen as right or wrong in the eyes of a critic. It is simply appreciated by those who see it for what it is...the tangible form of an abstract thought or emotion.

It is not art but griefing in the guise of art. It shows to me how some content providers think they are better than everone else. It is not a symbol of protesting the forum closures but of being better than the content consumers. If anything it is counterproductive.

A common Burning Man theme is to push at the boundaries of art.

I think Newfie has captured that perfectly.

But anyone that locked their plot just to keep people off while they work on it shouldn't have done that, in my opinion.

Everyone is free to explore my caverns while I build them! I don't have a final goal in mind yet, so I'm always open to suggestions. By tradition, I never use pre-built elements in my Burning Life exhibit. Everything is built during the event.

Speaking specifically about Newfie's plot...

It was your choice to visit his plot on burning life, he didn't force himself upon you. I would argue, from my perception, you are more upset that he has produced something outside your expectations. IMHO that is the nature of art. As to what it is a symbol of... that is your privilege to say. It's art and that means it's about viewer interpretation. Lastly, for being counterproductive it sure seems to have invoked discussion.

My curiosity is piqued, but I'm not sure how to find the specific plot in question. Would someone kindly provide the coordinates?

Thanks in advance.

*cough*

http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2006/06/26/a-solution-for-the-terrified/

That's actually pretty cute.

Addressing this and ban lines in general I think we should encourage Linden to make ban lines temporary. For example only in effect while a land owner (or group member for group land) is actually on the land, or perhaps a timeout of say an hour or two after they've left.

There are so many ban lines up on properties where the owners haven't even been on in months nor do they reply to IMs.

I say no ban lines whatsoever within 4m of a sim edge and temporary while owner/group is present on all non-user specific bans. And for crying out loud put a ceiling on the pay for entries!

HK

Yes well that kind of answers my question about one of the builds with ban lines, but there are more than one.

Some people smear shit on a canvas and call it art. That speaks to their taste and the taste of those who admire it. I believe to each his own, but it is not right to impede passage to neighboring builds in a community exhibit.

Perhaps those who wish to make a statement that impedes access to their fellow exhibitors should request a lot on the edge of the sim, or swap with one who has a lot there, so they can make their "artisitic statement" without blocking access to their neighbors builds.

This is not a judgment on what is art; this is about manners and consideration.

Well, I found the plot in question. I get what he's saying. I think the ban lines go along with his theme. The whole thing certainly expresses the artist's anger in a way that's unmistakable. It's not how I would express my dismay, but I totally respect his statement and how he's made it.

I quoted the above for the irony. Encouraging the Lindens to address the questions of ban lines and every other topic we wish to bring up is going to be very difficult if not impossible when the official forums are closed. Which of course is the point of the art in question and this thread.

I for one was forced to see this, and some other plots with ban lines up. I didnt choose too, they just blocked my path to another plot, and demanded some of my attention to navigate around.

Art or not, It does show some lack of consideration for the other exhibitors and visitors. I dont know of many artistic endevours that constitute in part, ruining the enjoyment of other peoples art.

What annoyed me was that it was not just one exhibit that had ban lines, there were several, and now that ban lines go up to SL heaven, I was unable to fly up over.

Since you dont see ban lines until you are upon them, this meant I had to keep backing up and approaching to try to navigate the parameters of the ban in order to see the neighboring builds.

It was very inconsiderate to members who were trying to view the builds and to those who had the misfortune to be stuck next to a creator who decided to impede access to their build with ban lines.

While I agree it's a pain in the ass to have to fly over the ban lined property, the ban lines don't actually go to SL heaven anymore (unless you're banned by name from that plot). They go up to 70m and then you can fly over. I just tried it at Newfie Pendragon's plot and I flew over fine at 70m up. Again, total pain in the ass, but you can fly over.

I agree not being able to see the ban lines until you hit them is a huge drag. It's like walking into a window. I wish they could change that somehow. My solution in this case was to right click the land inside the lines to get an idea of where the land lines were and walk around that way. Once again, pain in the ass, but possible.

I do tend to agree with you on the ban lines being inconsiderate to they neighboring artists and the people trying to get around. I think that's part of his point, though. Not defending it, just sayin'.

Only the parcel fences created using the Allow Avatars are limited in height... and that's to 100m now rather than 70. The bans in the Ban tab are full height as are the pay for entries. So having the option of separately banning all potential class of payment types in the Ban tab becomes the big problem.

Gack! Confusorama!!!!

So on my land if I use the option to ban all no payment on file's (I never would, this is just for example) the ban lines go to SL Heaven? And same thing if I set a pass price?

I did fly over Newfie Pendragon's plot at 70 m. That part I know. So that setting was made in the ban tab of About Land?

I've been to Newfie's Burning Life parcel on a few occasions and I've never seen any ban lines. All there is in the center is an old empty trash can. Maybe you guys need to view it a second time?

Whatever someone does with their plot, it'll be gone on the eighteenth. So, whether they know it or not, what they're doing is, in fact, transitory art. I just hope I don't have to ignore threads later on about people's 'homes' being 'erased' from the Burning Life plots - I don't care for the artistic spillover.

Ban lines will make more furries