A Thought for those who blanket ban unverifieds

And DD will have a problem because there is a resident named Nick Rhodes. Now I don't think it's the DD Nick Rhodes so it's going to be interesting to find out what LL will name his avatar.

just went over there, and at least in Caledon on Sea, I don't see a single person near me who has payment info on file/payment info used checked. Can't vouch for other sims, though.

/bans Inigo Chamerberlin

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There's a resident as well as a sim? Does Nick Rhodes have property in Nick Rhodes?

Nach mit "Dep de do Dep" auf meinem kopf dieses zehn - oder mehr- jahre, gebt as nur ein fakt-totum meinem Land zum Ihr gebannt ist. Keine sicht es, keine fuehlt es, Es ist mich allein so stoeren.

Type 1 ban is a ban on people that are unverified and a ban on people that have "Payment info on file".

I don't believe it is necessary to do a ban on "Payment info on file". These are the so-called verified people.

Plus Caledon is not a LL territory, it's a private sim, where you can rent without buying currency from LL.

She became a celebrity because of the quality of work she does. She writes good songs, and she's a good singer.

She's not a manufactured celebrity. She's not special because she's a celebrity, she became a celebrity because she is special.

She sang only 3 songs in the 1 hour interview, and people said it rocked (I feel that way too). That is not a characteristic of a manufactured celebrity.

Heavy sigh.

I have found that the majority of raw newbies simply don't understand how the culture of SL operates, much less anything about general online etiquette. Last night I encountered one such fella, who just wanted to be part of things and couldn't restrain his enthusiasm. I got him into IMs, explained that he was annoying people and asked if he'd like some landmarks and my notecard "How to Make Money in Second life". After about 10 minutes of questions and answers with him, he trotted off happy to discover places where new people can get up to speed and find the help they need. I didn't try to shame the more experienced folks who were verbally blasting him in open chat, I just said "Ok, I've explained things. He just didn't understand."

I wish we could do that more often with new citizens. I always wonder to myself if that guy with the dorky newb walk and horrible av might not be the next Francis Chung, Lost Therian, Cubey Terra or Aimee Weber (even though there's only one of each, you get my point). I've actually had new people I've helped get back to me in a couple weeks all excited to show off the builds and scripting they've learned -- THAT is a major thrill for me. Some of these people end up being pretty darned GOOD.

People who ban unverifieds in a blanketing way are Lame-o's.

Oh, poor poor Susan. Not a credit card, not even a measly 10 USDs in her account to register.

Where do I send donations?

I know it is private, I live in Highlands and own a store in Port Caledon.

I was asking because I had planned on checking it out with my alt. Even in a private sim As long as the owner allows it), I have NO issue with banning unverifieds...as I said, I think it was a mistake to let them join in the first place and have had repeated issues with them outside of Caledon. Banning onfile verifieds however, seems to be out of line.

And I have to agree with Ordinal, Desmond needs to make a call on this...

@Cindy

Wonderful post.

One could say that about those that refuse to spring the $10 for one month to get verified status....they can't ALL not have CC's....IRL, If you count check cards and rechargeable visa cards (Green dot and others) you can get at most drugstore chains like CVS, I do not know of ANYONE that either does not have a CC or a Check Card - or cannot walk into a store and buy a prepaid CC. (outside the US, the above might not apply, but its almost impossible to NOT get a card in the US).

Too lazy to register, too cheap to register, too fearful to give out a CC to an established company (multiple years now) like LL? I think lame-o would more likely apply to that person. Live with the limitations or register. *shrug*

Vas?

LL should hand out links to the New Citizens group and other newbie friendly places. It amazes me how often I hand out links to common places like Yadni's Junkyard.

yeah, I think in Caledon it may be pretty unnecessary to have the whitelists, even on payment type.

No mafia/terrorist groups training newbies with free weapons and camping chairs over there. Unfortunately, that does go on in the mainland, and not entirely too far away from where my property is. I can't name names, unfortunately, but when I see a newbie with a certain group in their list, I can be about 90 percent sure this person is going to grief.

The newbs who don't have that group in their list, are usually fine and pleasant people. I leave some areas free, and some not. I can't be responsible for someone else's kiddies when doing my work, so that's that.

And Suzanne Vega I am sure will understand, that is, if she EVER passes through my area, which I so oo doubt.

Or just have 1024 square meters of land that they prefer to keep many - but not all - people out of.

I don't want alts in my apartment. If you want to come into my apartment, I'd better know you /or/ you'd better have a reputation to put at stake - because if I show up to my apartment full of your fire, my land's prim usage totalled out - you're surely going to get AR'd, and you /will not be coming back/. I also do not wish to inconvenience or restrict anyone who has a reputation at stake. If someone wants to express their dissent with one of my public aims or statements in an artistic fashion, I welcome that. Assembling a running VW inside my apartment - funny and brilliant (OK, if it were /hard/ it would be.) But I'll not tolerate anonymous harassment /on my property/ for the sake of anonymous harassment. The people who know me well enough to critique me do it to my face, and not from behind an unverified account - and if I know someone with an unverified account well enough (they have established with me or with society a /reputation/) and they have a reason to be there, I'll add them.

Yeah, I have seen 3 griefing incidents in caledon that I have witnessed. One was some goof orbit-caging and dropping giant green penii around (last name was Hulka)...Desmond banished. Second was a group of the Voted 5 (Furry SA Goon offshoot) humping chairs and such...they were mercilessly ridiculed in character until the Steward came and removed two of them and told the others play nice or go. Last was an armored goof that started to do a challenge countdown on a resident...who froze him in place while the rest of us made it a social event (and it was an ugly garden gnome)...Steward removed that one too, I believe.

We hardly have a griefing problem that justifies extensive ban lines.

After having "Dep de do Dep" stuck in my head these past ten - or more - years, it's a given that she's being banned from my land - No one sees it, no one hears it, it only disturbs me. *insanegiggle*

I don't get the point of the thread.

So, some people banned somebody who happens to be a famous singer, and made that good but depressing song I heard at least 4 times on radio last week (I should change station, it repeats too much). Cory Doctorow, Lawrence Lessig and Kurt Vonnegut all are unverified as well, btw. But so what about it?

Presumably, people who ban unverifieds ban them on the assumption that they'll get more business/remain saner if they're able to effectively keep people out (harder to keep getting credit cards than unverified alts). That, IMO is nothing clever or something to be smug about, it's simply a rational decision people make. If the day comes when I think banning unverifieds will help me getting business or remain sane, you bet I'll gladly reduce my already insignificant chances to meet somebody famous in exchange. Not like interesting people are lacking in SL, anyway.

Besides, not like fame means I'd want them on my land, either. For example, the late spanish writer Camilo Jose Cela was very famous, but such an incredible jerk that were he still alive and I knew he had a SL account, I'd ban him just in case without ever meeting him in-game first.

Maklin, by far the majority of unverified new people I've seen this past month are either Brazilian or European (a few Oriental). How can you say all that with such certainty when other nations' credit rules and companies can differ so much? Until I try to get a credit or debit card in Hungary that is accepted by LL, I don't feel like I could be that judgmental.

For me, it would depend upon just how incredible a jerk he is. If he's - to my way of thinking - an incredible jerk, well - I find incredible jerks fascinating, in much the same way I find badly coded systems that produce interesting and enlightening bugs fascinating. Once he becomes a routine jerk, then my fascination dissolves, and off he goes.

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Doesn't mean I want him in my apartment, though.

To be fair we have had a fair number of incidents, but nothing compared to many popular places. I suspect our griefer-to-visitor ratio is relatively extremely good.

After all, griefing is so gauche.

I didn't have a credit card until I was 25 or so. Most debit cards here are not Visa debit either.