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blaze Spinnaker
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09-09-2005 20:35
Well, I will admit to sour grapes.. but trust me, being a puppet for SL is certainly not it. If you know me at all, you'd realise that the last thing I could ever bring myself to do is say something positive when I don't think it.
However, you are right in that I am sour about something LL is doing, and asking people to do that they probably wouldn't ask me to do.. and that is the developer list.
I am afraid and I'm probably right if an anonymous linden actually did have the temerity to ask you to post what you did, that LL will only put people on their developer list who 'toe the line' and drink the kool aid.
In this way, the developer list becomes a tool to silence their critics.
If by that you were talking about sour grapes, than you'd be right.
However, I have interviewed and have been quoted in the press regarding SL before. I've even said positive things. However, I have zero desire to be a goto puppet on the SL list. I personally think being on that list or trying to get on that list is an act of self efacement that I personally could never do in a million years.
My sense of self respect simply could not handle that.
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Cienna Samiam
Bah.
Join date: 13 Mar 2005
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09-09-2005 20:52
From: blaze Spinnaker Well, I will admit to sour grapes.. but trust me, being a puppet for SL is certainly not it. If you know me at all, you'd realise that the last thing I could ever bring myself to do is say something positive when I don't think it. If this is what you think, you're an assumption fool. Or are you really trying to say that anyone who in any way does more than piss, moan, and blame as you are is a puppet? Heaven forfend someone actually do more than complain, right? You do realise you're telling much more about yourself than anything, yes? And most of it shallow. From: blaze Spinnaker However, you are right in that I am sour about something LL is doing, and asking people to do that they probably wouldn't ask me to do.. and that is the developer list. Gee, maybe it is because you spend more time trolling the forums than doing anything that would lead them to think you could be productive or helpful. Nah, that's crazy talk, right? (rolling her eyes so hard that she almost falls out of the chair) From: blaze Spinnaker I am afraid and I'm probably right if an anonymous linden actually did have the temerity to ask you to post what you did, that LL will only put people on their developer list who 'toe the line' and drink the kool aid. Well you're safe then, aren't you? Just tell them you prefer your own whine. I considered reminding you that I've been more than outspoken and frequently cuttingly critical of Linden Labs and Second Life... but why ruin your little pity party with nasty ol' reality? From: blaze Spinnaker In this way, the developer list becomes a tool to silence their critics.
If by that you were talking about sour grapes, than you'd be right. You've demonstrated more than well enough precisely what I mean by sour grapes, and in under five posts, too. I think that might be a new record. Congratulations! From: blaze Spinnaker However, I have interviewed and have been quoted in the press regarding SL before. I've even said positive things. However, I have zero desire to be a goto puppet on the SL list. I personally think being on that list or trying to get on that list is an act of self efacement that I personally could never do in a million years.
My sense of self respect simply could not handle that. Right. But making an ass out of yourself because you aren't getting any calls for help would never make that list of 'things that tarnish my valuable self-respect'. M'kay.
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blaze Spinnaker
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09-09-2005 22:18
From: someone 3) Potential interviewees should present the 'best face' possible for Linden Labs.
In otherwords, you should speak what LL wants to be spoken. That's pretty close to the definition of a puppet. Anyways, you've really made this discussion about me. I already have an entourage and don't need more obsessed fans .. so, like, I'm outta here.
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Jauani Wu
pancake rabbit
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09-09-2005 22:30
From: blaze Spinnaker I already have an entourage and don't need more obsessed fans .. so, like, I'm outta here. blaze, it seems you and i have a lot in common. however it sounds like my fan club is so much more well behaved.
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Hiro Pendragon
bye bye f0rums!
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09-09-2005 22:34
Cienna, I think blaze is giving some valid criticism and you're personally attacking him for it. Is that right? From: Cienna Samiam If this is what you think, you're an assumption fool. blaze, it's clear ... you're an assumption fool! From: someone Or are you really trying to say that anyone who in any way does more than piss, moan, and blame as you are is a puppet? Heaven forfend someone actually do more than complain, right? Your assumption is that back-patting is " doing". This thread is no more "action" than blaze's criticism. In that sense, blaze in responding at the same level. From: someone You do realise you're telling much more about yourself than anything, yes? And most of it shallow. Personal attack against blaze. From: someone Gee, maybe it is because you spend more time trolling the forums than doing anything that would lead them to think you could be productive or helpful. Personal attack, pot, kettle. From: someone Nah, that's crazy talk, right? (rolling her eyes so hard that she almost falls out of the chair)
Well you're safe then, aren't you? Just tell them you prefer your own whine.
I considered reminding you that I've been more than outspoken and frequently cuttingly critical of Linden Labs and Second Life... but why ruin your little pity party with nasty ol' reality?
You've demonstrated more than well enough precisely what I mean by sour grapes, and in under five posts, too. I think that might be a new record. Congratulations!
Right. But making an ass out of yourself because you aren't getting any calls for help would never make that list of 'things that tarnish my valuable self-respect'.
M'kay. Accuse blaze of bitterness? These comments are pretty harsh, Cienna.
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Lo Jacobs
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09-09-2005 23:08
This is the silliest thread ever, sorry.
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Hiro Pendragon
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09-09-2005 23:11
From: Lo Jacobs This is the silliest thread ever, sorry. eh? 
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Cienna Samiam
Bah.
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09-10-2005 05:12
From: Hiro Pendragon Cienna, I think blaze is giving some valid criticism and you're personally attacking him for it. Is that right? No, you are not right. blaze is, as usual, trolling an otherwise interesting thread to drag it off into the mud. From: Hiro Pendragon Your assumption is that back-patting is "doing". This thread is no more "action" than blaze's criticism. In that sense, blaze in responding at the same level. No, you are incorrect. This thread wasn't about 'back patting' it was about giving people a way to feel they could change that 'Linden Labs doesn't ever consider other people for media interviews'. It resulted in someone from Linden Labs actually coming out to say just how you could do that if you are so interested. That's action and that's results. And that is also why blaze showed up to troll. Someone actually managing to accomplish something always brings Sir Troll. From: Hiro Pendragon Accuse blaze of bitterness? These comments are pretty harsh, Cienna. They happen to be true. Sometimes the truth IS harsh. And, as usual, when Sir Troll is painted into a corner, he pulls up stakes and heads to the next thread.... leaving forum nannies like you to defend him. I don't know how you avoid understanding just how well you got played here. Sad. From: blaze spinnaker In otherwords, you should speak what LL wants to be spoken. That's pretty close to the definition of a puppet. 'Pretty close' isn't 'the same'. Troll. From: blaze spinnaker Anyways, you've really made this discussion about me. I already have an entourage and don't need more obsessed fans .. so, like, I'm outta here. Wake up, dreamer. I have never seen you do a thing that contributed to more than tearing things down or starting fights. I can't believe I actually played into your trolling, but that stops now. Back to ignore you go, this time, permanently. If anyone reading this thread has any sense, they'll do the same. You are a singular waste of time.
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Phaylen Fairchild
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11-19-2005 18:28
hihi, Just chiming in.
I do not know Aimee myself, personally, but if I may just offer my opinion here. I think she's the ideal candidate for being Second Life's media spokesperson. She is incredibly brilliant (undeniable) articulate, and a long term dedicated member of the second life community. She is an exempliry resident, and has been very successful in her media adventures, I see no reason whatsoever to change that, if only for the purpose of consistancy.
Good job, Amiee. Thanks for doing a great job representing SL in the media.
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Richie Waves
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11-19-2005 19:13
*pokes thread with 10ft stick and walks away*
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stpaulsub Clio
Fear the Bubblegum Gurl!
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11-19-2005 21:25
From: blaze Spinnaker Well, if people want to demean themselves and resist saying what they think is true, they're more than welcome to.
Not something I'm likely ever going to or fortunately need to do.
In fact, I suspect LL will find the harder they push the harder people will push back. And trust me, I will PUSH BACK.
Everyone else will probably just leave and not come back.
Do you really think anyone wants to play in Philip's little power trip?
I mean, besides the sycophants that is. huh?
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stpaulsub Clio
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11-19-2005 21:26
From: blaze Spinnaker
Do you really think anyone wants to play in Philip's little power trip?
I mean, besides the sycophants that is.
umm yer still here..so i guess i don't get it..
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stpaulsub Clio
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11-19-2005 21:32
From: blaze Spinnaker If you know me at all, you'd realise that the last thing I could ever bring myself to do is say something positive
. nuff said
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stpaulsub Clio
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11-19-2005 21:36
From: blaze Spinnaker In otherwords, you should speak what LL wants to be spoken. That's pretty close to the definition of a puppet.
. umm gee no yer righti am gunna hire/appoint whatever a PR flak who is gunna run me and my buisness down..hmm i can see how that would be soo much more effective
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stpaulsub Clio
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11-19-2005 21:41
From: Phaylen Fairchild hihi, Just chiming in.
I do not know Aimee myself, personally, but if I may just offer my opinion here. I think she's the ideal candidate for being Second Life's media spokesperson. She is incredibly brilliant (undeniable) articulate, and a long term dedicated member of the second life community. She is an exempliry resident, and has been very successful in her media adventures, I see no reason whatsoever to change that, if only for the purpose of consistancy.
Good job, Amiee. Thanks for doing a great job representing SL in the media. i agree 100000% and i'm not just saying that cuz i am Aimee's pawn! but cuz it is true! also..i would nominate Kittykat Kerensky soem oen who quietly has helped dozens and dozens of newcomersand is a positive person..and Yadni just cuz he is kewl David Valentino cuz i think he would be a fun read
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Usagi Musashi
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11-19-2005 22:10
From: [u Travis Lambert: All-around good guy; dapper dog-about-town; knows EVERYTHING about entertainment and helping newbies.
[/u] The Dog Has my vote
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Susie Boffin
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11-19-2005 23:05
Melissa King and if you don't know of her or what she has done you have spent way too much time in the Forums.
By the way keep up the quips if you want to destroy this thread.
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Euterpe Roo
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11-20-2005 14:19
From: Phaylen Fairchild hihi, Just chiming in.
I do not know Aimee myself, personally, but if I may just offer my opinion here. I think she's the ideal candidate for being Second Life's media spokesperson. She is incredibly brilliant (undeniable) articulate, and a long term dedicated member of the second life community. She is an exempliry resident, and has been very successful in her media adventures, I see no reason whatsoever to change that, if only for the purpose of consistancy.
Good job, Amiee. Thanks for doing a great job representing SL in the media. Anyone notice this individual's 'born-on-date'? Wow! Older than Methusula.  I agree with Phaylen, by the way. Just sayin'. 
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Jarod Godel
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11-26-2005 23:55
From: blaze Spinnaker Others of import:
Jarod Godel I neither have a storefront nor any interest in the economy. Thanks for giving Diane Mechanique a chance to call me a Nazi, though. Hi, Diane!
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Phaylen Fairchild
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11-27-2005 00:32
From: Euterpe Roo Anyone notice this individual's 'born-on-date'? Wow! Older than Methusula.  I agree with Phaylen, by the way. Just sayin'.   thanks for pointing that out. I hear this every day in SL, although this is the first time with the Methusula term... I've been called an Ancient, a cockroach, been asked if I kept company of primitar neanderthals, and have been laughed at and told to "Get a life! A first one!" The latter to which i agree! hehe. Regardless I'm having to much fun! But the methusula reference was a bit refreshing. *hugs* -PF
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Euterpe Roo
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11-27-2005 08:18
From: Phaylen Fairchild  thanks for pointing that out. I hear this every day in SL, although this is the first time with the Methusula term... I've been called an Ancient, a cockroach, been asked if I kept company of primitar neanderthals, and have been laughed at and told to "Get a life! A first one!" The latter to which i agree! hehe. Regardless I'm having to much fun! But the methusula reference was a bit refreshing. *hugs* -PF It is/was with the deepest respect that I acknowledge your rez-date.  It is only when others refer to you as the "Cher" or the "Dick Clark of SL" that you need worry.  *hugs and hugs*
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Phaylen Fairchild
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11-27-2005 13:48
From: Euterpe Roo It is/was with the deepest respect that I acknowledge your rez-date.  It is only when others refer to you as the "Cher" or the "Dick Clark of SL" that you need worry.  *hugs and hugs* haha! No dear, those titles are explicitely reserved for Stellar and bUTTON pUSHER. So I'm good!!  I jest! -PF
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