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Tiering Down, Scaling Back?

Laukosargas Svarog
Angel ?
Join date: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 1,304
05-14-2005 04:23
My few shops dotted around SL have managed to pay my 16k tier for a while, there's no way I could justify the tier fee if they didn't, but this month has been terrible so far especially since the money transfer bug reared it's ugly head. But I'm not tiering up or down just yet, I'll wait and see what happens for a while. If my shops stop paying I'll simply have to tier down until it picks up again. A bit under half my 16k is shops, the other half is my peaceful public parkland on Alviso Island which simply could not exist if I had no SL income to pay tier. I occassionally host free events, normally parties where I DJ and pay for the radio relay out of my SL income. I'm in the process of organising a very big event which will cover most of Alviso and parts of the neighbouring sims too, this will be free, I guess I'll end up paying the tab for it, I do this all for fun not profit. But I need my shops to make a profit in order to increase the amount I contribute to SL. I just hope things get better soon :)
Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,706
05-14-2005 07:27
From: Brace Coral
Not tiering down just yet - but I certainly am not gonna tier up anytime soon.
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Nice thread Mer - you always come up with interesting things :D

Thanks Brace.
I was wondering 'cause I haven't seen you at the WC past couple times I was there.

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nemi McCoy
Registered User
Join date: 24 May 2004
Posts: 92
Tiered down,,,tired out
05-14-2005 08:00
Just sold my land at a hugh loss and may never buy any again. Rely on GOM for money and yes I am , have been on a premium account since day one. Being rl visually disabled does not make me a slacker or a whiner but I find with the log in problems and rl issues
I am in world less . Have not created a thing, except hopefully some good vibes and am an equal opportunity buyer.
Kind of a bummed out period for me approaching a year, seen so many good people I knew , there one day gone the next....alot of sl has been great but alot has been personally hurtful.Trying to find a reason to stay but to be honest it gets harder with each time I have had to unistall and reinstall to log in.
Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
Posts: 6,627
05-14-2005 08:36
trying to. buy my sim! :p
Rose Karuna
Lizard Doctor
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 3,772
05-14-2005 09:06
I tiered down from 16K to 8K around two weeks ago, but my issues are mostly RL ones. My husband and I are trying to tier down in RL and are remodeling a small house to move into and trying to sell the larger one we live in now. On top of that - my hours at work have been between 12 and 14 hours a day during the week. Couple all that with the fact that my husband has been much more frustrated with the bugs than I have and we concluded that it was a good decision to tier down for now.

I still love SL and the people here and I still enjoy creating things and I hope to tier back up when we finally finish the remodel and stabalize a bit in RL. (Right about that time it will be hurricane season and I'll lose power for a week or so, my luck, never fails). :rolleyes:

When I do have more time, I'd really like to get more heavily into scripting and using that to make my plants and animals more natural. Past efforts to do this have been met with some frustration and I'm hoping that the next SL release will fix some of that.

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Beau Perkins
Second Life Resident.
Join date: 25 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,061
05-14-2005 09:36
I am on the verge. It has been a bad week and I am not so sure about the future anymore. I am in a wait and see mode.
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Circe Broom
Registered User
Join date: 2 Aug 2004
Posts: 26
disgust
05-14-2005 12:11
I've begun selling my land. When I DO get in lately, it is difficult to DO things, as extreme lag and other strange things happen, which make it difficult to do small things like... subdivide my land, to put it up for sale. :( It simply makes no sense to spend so much money on something I can't even login to.
Mina Welesa
Semi-retired
Join date: 19 Dec 2004
Posts: 228
05-14-2005 12:18
I'm down to 512. It will take a long period of game stability and smooth performance before I'll ever consider buying more land again.
StoneSelf Karuna
His Grace
Join date: 13 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,955
05-14-2005 12:46
From: Mina Welesa
I'm down to 512. It will take a long period of game stability and smooth performance before I'll ever consider buying more land again.

i do hope ll is listening to this.

i hope they write a decent respsonse to this too...
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Mitzpatrick Fitzsimmons
Neurotican Mage
Join date: 20 Sep 2004
Posts: 62
Im Ready To Quit!
05-14-2005 17:32
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Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
Posts: 5,948
05-14-2005 19:17
I just tiered up from my free 4096 plot to half a sim. Then I started having really bad lag problems, and the log-in problems started again. If it continues I will tier back down, cause this just isnt worth $125 a month.
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Toneless Tomba
(Insert Witty Title Here)
Join date: 13 Oct 2004
Posts: 241
05-14-2005 21:46
After these couple days I'm thinking about tiering down. I'm at a 32k tier currently at this rate I'll may just go back to slim pickings and try to get back down to 8k. I'll wait to see what is in store with the 1.6.5 upgrade but what I have seen already in the preview it doesn't look too promising. (Keeping my fingers crossed.) What kills me is these issues are not a new thing, we had these problems since a version of 1.5. Now we are at critical mass and the dam is about to break. I hope everybody can swim.
Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,826
05-14-2005 22:02
I own Faded Reality Island and my partner just bought Reality Faded Island this week.a Yes we are both thinking of tiering back. If this is what we are to expect for our $400 per month then we can spend it better elsewhere.

Mar and Clair
Kalala Galatea
Registered User
Join date: 26 May 2004
Posts: 1
I'm tierless now
05-14-2005 23:21
I tiered down to -0- after selling my land at a huge loss the only time I could log in since 1.6. The lack of being able to login and the lag when I get in is just not worth paying for even 2k of land. I'll also probably let my annual membership lapse and go to lifetime in September.
Snakekiss Noir
japanese designer
Join date: 9 Dec 2003
Posts: 334
My story on tier up or down
05-15-2005 05:20
I have never lost my sense of excitement in SL, since first reading the website idea, to first appearing as clumsy, wide eyed version of me on day 1 and meeting giant David Linden on orientation island and realising either i was 4ft tall or he was 7.5 or something.. and it turned out both were right, ha. In 18 months my only real regret was that i didn't know about SL sooner I suppose, and from the luck/boldness of my first newbie day flying into Tehama and buying the only parcel left of 128m i have relentless tiered up and up and up, and am now on the 2 sim tier level paying near $400 a month.

In that time I have been a 'quiet' player mostly, meeting, exploring, in awe of so much great talent, and I have patiently invented, created, refine and invent new japanese chinese style places, lands, natural scenery and enjoying every moment of it. I have met many people, tho I have few close friends as I don't club, dont politic, dont agitate, and mostly into creating fine things. I have gone from no land to a lot of land, rarely thought about making much money, tho at times I have, lent/given land, things, money, free housing and generally I suppose treat everyone with some kindness of spirit. I have made few enemies, apart from one general nasty under two alts who I would not tolerate.

In that time I hope I have made some beautiful content, and created much pleasant lands, always shared, mostly for public use, often commented on by players and some fine things sold in Neo Japan Store.

I think right now I am at a crossroads with SL and normally I would not probably rush to share this on forum if at all. I am not very public in the big scale, I still dont know who the 'FIC' are and I almost never speak to Lindens nor they me. Ive been in Top Picks once, never received a dwell award, never been at the top part of any list and I have never been featured on the website or interviewed by the reporter guy. Yet in some small way I would like to think I am one of the good creators of things and lands, and have at least promoted the japanese and chinese markets and creators and made a lot more of that theme grow in SL. I have never traded land, but I have given it or loaned it or rented it out for next to nothing, and my long standing friend Anshe must shake her head at me considering I do not get much profit off my $400 a month, ha.. well we all cannot be the business girl extraordinaire.

I would hope if I left SL now that some would remember me, or at least my creations or some small act of friends or kindness. I have lately thought about what it would be like to hold back on my plans or even downsize in some ways. Why? u may ask..

Well carefully studying SL and how it has grown. There will always be things wrong, always be moaning, always be misunderstands in any online world,but even a quiet player like me can only tolerate so much in terms of not being able to actually LOG in to play the game you pay for, and how the company reacts to its customer.

I have watched it become business business business and sim expansion. Its all becoming almost as stressful as in 1L for so many, money, land price escalation, second level land leasing, cartels, favouritism, all seem to be major issues and SL is becoming more like WORK for so many. Yet life is a challenge so why should SL be any different?

This weekend I cannot log in, cannot play, cannot work on my major project I am very patient with this most times, as I play many other games but.. each time I am worn down watching how it is never improved yet all sorts of new changes are patched in but the actual stable game, a simple act to log in and play isnt sorted out yet we all pay the same. Last time we were all off for days I wrote to the great new idea for ' important landowners and customers' the Concierge. Did I ever get a reply.. sadly no. So presumably you need a LOT more than 2 sims to merit a response.

I own a LARGE part of 2 sims, Tehama and Orelle but not all of them. Unlike an island owner I have absolutely no influence with Lindens, and cant even fix broken obsolote pathways which ruin the appearance of my land. I can't edit my terrain, or do any one of the many features I could if spending $400 on two islands. Yet to go to islands means dumping two unique and wonderful places and I cannot honourably do this. I feel that people who have gone my route are trapped maybe and we have no sense of importance within the linden plan. I almost bought most of Boardman a few months back, hesitated and it was gone, and I started on De Haro but stopped after 6000m and declined the rest because I realise I shall never have complete control or any linden assistance in these sims.

I have several great sims in my head, which will eclipse the ones I have done so far, and the only way it seems I shall have them is to buy 1-4 new sims and theme them together, as well as my main land part owned lands. If I do that, in theory I should ensure I make money out of them, in practice I prefer to just do them for fun.

SO yes, trade up, trade down, I don't know.. I could go either way. I do feel I love the world, I love the game, I love the concept, I like my friends, and i am still as wide eyed about new places and builds as I was the first day. I am less wide eyed about the LL company technical support of the game and the fact that so many times we cannot even LOG in. IF ' quiet' but reasonable assets player like me is so disappointed by this one thing enough to reconsider, then.. what are others thinking..

For now, I guess I'll just continue to enjoy, have my usual patience, and my usual regrets that they don't fix the tech problems very fast or add too many gimmick yet cant get the basics right. I dont want to lose the SL ' magic' fun, or see it become a stressful business dominated place only about money, but I also think its fabulous that those who want to earn their living here can do that, the SL world is big enough for us all. But every time it doesnt work and they dont seem to just settle that and FIX it, I get a little less convinced to tier up any more. For $400 a month I can still say hey its only fun, for $2000 month upwards I would be on the phone to the lindens now (in japanese ha ha... )
Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,601
05-15-2005 05:33
From: Snakekiss Noir
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In that time I hope I have made some beautiful content, and created much pleasant lands, always shared, mostly for public use,


I live next to you in DeHaro Snakekiss, you do nice things with sims!
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Jake Reitveld
Emperor of Second Life
Join date: 9 Mar 2005
Posts: 2,690
05-15-2005 08:49
Oh snakekiss, I love your stuff. Somehting like 95% of my furniture comes from your shop. I also I have had the privilege of exploring your builds. I think SL would be at a loss without you.
Silence Seraph
Divinely Angelic
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
Posts: 53
05-15-2005 09:33
I'd already scaled down as it was, and have done so again. I still have my main bit of land, but I'm not sure... It is convenient to have it but the problems in SL with the log ins and such are frustrating, and that affects things land sales and stuff as is, I think.
Ana Beckett
Registered User
Join date: 17 Jul 2004
Posts: 43
05-15-2005 10:15
No, not thinking of tiering down. Wouldn't think of giving up my lands. I've just tiered up.
Amber Waves
Registered User
Join date: 12 May 2005
Posts: 4
05-15-2005 20:32
I'm starting to have my doubts about staying with 2nd Life. Its a shame too because I was just starting to think what a cool game it is but all this trouble logging in is not worth the stress to me. Guess I'll have to just go and play my other online games. Hope you get this fixed soon.
reddish Tigereye
antisocial recluse
Join date: 12 Nov 2003
Posts: 151
keeping it all
05-16-2005 10:55
nope, i wont be tiering down, i have over 30,000 now and am keeping it. ive been in too many virtual worlds to let this little hiccup they are having scare me away. linden lab is at least fixing things, and always working on making second life the best it can be. they are better than any other virtual world ive been in as far as support and trying to get things nicer for us all.
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
05-19-2005 17:57
I always thought this was a dumb thread. But I'm not so sure now!
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Henry Hutchence
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Join date: 7 Jan 2005
Posts: 83
05-19-2005 19:16
I'm so saddened to hear your story Snakekiss!
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Johntron Thirty
Registered User
Join date: 4 Mar 2005
Posts: 24
05-20-2005 00:31
I"m considering selling my club in Bear and tiering down to a basic account until the problems are resolved. I can't see paying monthly for something I spend more time TRYING to play, rather than actually playing.
Buster Peel
Spat the dummy.
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,242
05-20-2005 06:40
I tiered down from 2 sims to 1 after 1.6, and I'm in the process of tiering down from 1 sim to 1/8 sim or less now. I'm selling at a loss in order to get rid of all of it before my next billing date. (I have about 10,000 m2 of land for sale at $2 to $2.50 per m2. Sheesh.)

Angry, sad and tired all at the same time. So much potential, but so unpredictable.

In fact, yesterday was the first day in a long time that I didn't go in-world at all. (Let me rephrase that. I didn't even try to go in-world.) I went for a walk on the beach instead. I am rediscovering RL!

Buster
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