The Tools for Privacy already exist

I still do not respond to slander

We definately need more flexible privacy tools.

Different levels of privacy would be wonderful for when I'm working in world. I don't want to cancel my friends list which is useful to me 80% of the time so that I can work uninterrupted 20% of the time.

I don't mind that Busy continues to show me IMs... that let's me screen calls I MUST take out of the "hi, what'cha doing" ones. But I can see how being able to shut off IMs would be lovely too.

Closing off Chaos is not an option either. Our main store is there and we welcome explorers. Also, we have several people who call Chaos home. Just because I want to work, doesn't mean they should have to IM Ferran or myself to allow their guests to visit.

Flipper, I think your suggestions were well thought out.

Then you only have to deleat 20% of them. And when people learn that to keep from being tracked all they have to do is deleat their friends card then things will be so much better.

I believe extra tools would be a burden to the Lindens who are working very hard at fixing the bugs that are in the system. New Toys are not the answer. We already have the tools to make our lives better.

Magnum, when has there ever not been bugs in SL? Because of the evolving nature of the platform (and the fact that no one has ever done any of this before) there is likely to never be a time in SL where there aren't any bugs. Halting development of new features will only cause SL to stagnate and would eventually cause those most vested in SL in time and money to get bored, frustrated, and leave. The people who most need better privacy and chat management tools are the ones we can least afford to lose. I appreciate your point of view, but I think it's naive and myopic.

Magnum - Following your advice, I have deleted your card.

Tools not Toys.

The people are calling for Bug fixes, I think that is what is on their mind right now... The Pinpoint Teleporting was nice but now, no more features, just bug fixes.

What does P2P stand for exactly. I've been assuming Person to Person or Place to Place. But it could be Pasta to Prawns, P*ssy to P*nis, or Pinhead to Pittsburg. Anyone have the REAL answer. Feel free to reply with outrageous ones too.

*sobs* I'm not people anymore
*sobs some more*
*eats some chocolate*
*hits reply*

What makes typing "I do not reply to slander" not a reply? Do you not click the big "Reply" button to post this? Also, do you not click "Submit Reply" after typing in "I still do not respond to slander"?

Well, I haven't had time to follow all the ins and outs of this privacy thing, aside from noting that I don't like the idea of "blacklisting" fellow residents at all.

So I haven't really considered or figured out all the options people are suggesting. I haven't even figured out how to enable "busy" mode on myself yet, lol.

But I will say this much: I understand how it is to want to get work done. It would be neat if one could sometimes do more of that work off-line.

But on the other hand, I figure "people" are part of "doing business." I always, just naturally, put a customer's concerns at the total top of my queue. What the customer needs GETS DONE, and right that minute! I love making people happy with my things, and that's part of it. And Flipper does this, too. But - he has lots more customers.

In fact, I'm feeling kind of guilty now for having messaged Flipper about problems with my SLBoutique not working due to updates, and I don't think you really intend for me to feel that, do ya, Flipper; you're just discussing new ways to manage time. You never made me feel the slightest bit like a bother for IM'ing you about these matters, and you have always been totally friendly and helpful, and never appeared rushed in the slightest even.

But still . . . it makes me kinda not want to bother you anymore. And Jennyfur also doesn't like being too bothered with customers. And yet, where are you going to talk about the issue of wanting more privacy tools besides here?

I figure juggling the customers with juggling the work itself is part and parcel of being in business. Of course dealing with customers takes time from the project you are on, but that is just the Cost of Doing Business. I figure if you don't want to deal with customers, get out of the business, or scale it down, or hire someone else to handle the requests. Cause even if you DO hide yourself somehow, that still means the customer is not getting their need attended to, doesn't it.

As far as being bothered by friends goes, well, none of the people who hang out with me are any sort of problem, because I like to have their company, even while I work, and it's even more fun if we are each working on something and keeping each other company. If I'm working intensely on something with a deadline, I say so, and friends understand that. But I guess not everyone feels comfortable with telling their friends they really don't have time right now for chit-chat.

So . . . I'm not sure where I stand on this business about more privacy tools, as I don't even use the ones we already have. I KNOW I don't like the one where people appear completely "invisible," though.

I guess I think that putting a bunch more tools in the game which will prevent people from interacting is a worse solution than the individuals who have a problem with this just hiring someone to help them if it has gotten to be too much. I don't think too many people really have a problem with the way things are now anyway.

coco

You actually just did -- though your label of "slander" is incorrect.

(Nor do you respond to logic, in fact, but that is a different thread altogether.)

Why the heck has the words "Slander" and "libel" become the two words of joyous misuse in the forums now? Do you even know what Slander means, Magnum?

libel and slander are two forms of defamation (or defamation of character), which is the tort or delict of making a false statement of fact that injures someone's reputation.

There is no part of that definition that applies to what has been said to you. Sarcasm would be much more appropriate. So stop throwing it around like it means something, reply to what's been said to you or use the correct word to define why you're not replying.

And isn't all this privacy stuff what Busy mode does? It automatically responds to IMs with a busy message and lets people know who walk up to you that you're not going to be responding.

For a moment, visualize a brick wall with a voice-activated record player embedded into it.

Now, before you reply to any of Magnum's posts, talk to this brick wall.

The brick wall will give the same response Magnum would.

If you wish for this reply to be public, go ahead and reply to his posts.

Otherwise, don't feed the troll.

Lf

Unfortunately it's not possible to hire people in game to do your customer service, just like it's not possible to hire someone to manage your product distribution UNLESS you are willing to give them your products with full permissions. For most of us, this is simply not an option. Luckily Ferran and I are real life friends so we can split up some of the work without risk. Content creators have been asking for more flexible permissions for this very reason. If you could designate permissions that allowed for a "middle man" then creators could spend more time making stuff, and also there would be an entire new class of jobs in SL.

I know Flip and Jenn pretty well, and I don't think it's a matter of being bothered with customers. It's a matter of more power over how you spend your very limited time. Most of us have full time RL jobs, so when we come to SL we have to carefully manage our time. We want to make our customers happy, but we want to have time for ourselves too. Be it uninterrupted work time or social time. I wouldn't mind being able to set "customer service" hours.

At my RL job I can put my phone on voicemail, set an out-of-office email, and shut my door if that is what required to accomplish something important. These tools are not much different from that.

I think it's point to point, at least that what one of the Linden's has refered to it as.

That wasn't even close to slander...and it was not directed at you either... nothing that you have called "slander" is even close

For me, one of the main things I think better privacy features would do for us, is to avoid having people feel like they're being ignored. That's the biggest problem with busy mode. People know you're online and know you get their IM. That leaves to door open for people to feel like the person they're trying to contact is ignoring them. It would be much better if they didn't know you were online at all so there wouldn't be that feeling of "damnit, when is this guy going to get out of busy mode and respond to me?!"

Agreed.

But isn't this what "busy" mode does?

It would seem that the problem - which I would be likely to have, too - is the inability of people to actually not respond to others when their busy mode is on. They still see the IM's and whatnot, and don't have the heart to ignore them all, much less ignore someone who has come to stand right in front of them for attention.

Is that about the size of it?

coco

Yes, I can see this. Particularly if they know perfectly well you have still seen their request. Maybe they should fix it so we can't see the requests we have gotten in busy mode.

coco

Don't bother, you will enter an endless loop of argument.

The tools for privacy that exist are not adequate. If you do a person search for someone who is in busy mode, it doesn't show that the person is busy before you IM them. I don't think it even shows up on your friends list when one of your friends is in busy mode.

I also don't feel like busy mode is an appropriate way to deal with a situation in which you want some time alone with just one person. If someone goes on a "date", it would be nice to have a way to automatically let others know they don't want to be disturbed so they don't end up tp'ing over and creating an awkward situation. I've never gone into busy mode myself so I don't know what it looks like, but I would guess it would display "busy" above their heads, which would just be weird in that situation.

Surreal pretty much summed it up. Jennyfur and I both want to provide the best customer service possible, but would also like free time in which we can create and enhance our products, as well as spend time goofying around with a small group of friends. Krittle raises some good interface points as well.

Please don't hesitate to contact me in world coco - this is a commentary on people being annoying, its on the system being annoying and not giving us the necessary tools to be able to fully enjoy and realize our Second Lives.

Regards,

-Flip

Its Pinpoint teleporting

P2P = point to point

LOL.. It wasn't that much later that I found the definition in the Linden announcements. OK, so I'm a tard ... I knew it wasn't Pinpoint... No one came up with anymore outrageous suggestions... Mulch must have not seen the thread yet, or Siggy.