The Tools for Privacy already exist

If someone wants to be hidden, and remain private in Second Life, all they have to do is the following:

1. Deleat all calling cards and only keep the ones for those people whom you Do want to know where you are located.

2. Do the same for Friends list

3. Set your land to access by invitation only (A process where you add peoples names to a list).

If you want to run a shop section off your land to allow people only into your shop.


There is no need for further tools etc in Second Life on Privacy... They already exist.

Unless you own a popular network of atms/vendors/scanners/etc, then you can track everyone in SL. But, to stop the average stalker, yes, you are right.

This is very forward thinking, Magnum. Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts.

If only the same sort of minds were available at the beginning of the 20th century, we might have averted the terrible advent of the automobile.

Who needs an automobile? If you want to move quickly on the power of something else, you can:

- Use a horse-drawn carriage. If it is not moving fast enough for you, set the tail of the horse on fire. That's good for an extra 10 - 15mph, but only until the tail falls off or the horse passes out from exhaustion, pain or shock

- Take a train. This is easy. If you want to travel long distances, the train is fantastic. You get to look at cows and stuff, too!

- Use a bicycle: This actually requires exertion of the user, but it's great exercise!

The current privacy tools are inadequate for the needs of people who deal with high volumes of IM's and who also need long periods of time in world to be able to work without interruption. If the current tools were sufficient, people wouldn't be asking for something better

This is very, very naive, Magnum.

I guarantee you those are not enough to seal yourself off. Maybe if you owned your own sim.

Also, privacy is not an "on or off" thing. There are levels of privacy.

Not having contents of your land seen by neighbors.
Not being intruded upon.
Not having your guests bring in uninvited guests.
Not being able to have a reasonable level of usability without sacrificing privacy?

It seems your solution (which is a reduction of intrusions from people who know little about SL, at best) is that you lose all sorts of usability.

A pox on you and your logic

I don't see how this makes any sense. Okay, delete all my cards and friends, there by offending a lot of people, requiring me to have multiple conversations concerning WHY I did this...

...in addition, you're asking me to give up the functionality of cards and friends altogether, when I may just want to be in a privacy mode for 20% of my time in SL?

Sorry, Magnum, a nice try - but this doesn't come close to working for most people (as noted by others above) and isn't nearly as robust or elegant a solution as the privacy controls I'd like to see and have been proposed by myself and others. Why do you think instant messengers have various levels of privacy?

Regards,

-Flip

I think "chat control" might be a better term than "privacy" for the some of the changes some are asking for.

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Those wishing to reduce their incoming message level can just confess publicly that their avatar is a dues paying member of the Libertarian Party. This will cause a dramatic and permanent decrease in the incoming message rate, and later on serve to prevent overcrowding at funeral or cremation ceremonies.

Then the only thing needed is a tool that lets you turn off your IMs

Sorry I don't respond to Slander

Actually your wrong. Deleating cards prevents people from tracking you. Setting land to invite only keeps them off your land and maybe the only real tool addition is one to shut off IMs totally.

Nuff Said

Setting your land to private will keep them off. And it will cover intruders, uninvited guest.

Sorry I do not respond to slander

Then the Average user does not have access to land scanners...

Ummm, two things.

(1) Read my post. You seem to have completely ignored my comment about how most people like calling card and friends functionality, BUT NOT 100% OF THE TIME. MOST WOULD LIKE THE ABILITY TO NOT BE SEEN SO WE CAN GET WORK DONE.

(2) You are incorrect. Deleting cards has nothing to do with tracking at all. Calling cards are an easy way to instant message someone. Only FRIENDS can map you, and you also have ignored my comment about how cancelling friendships and deleting cards leads to hurt feelings, annoying explanatory conversations, and so forth.

So, definitely NOT "Nuff Said".

Regards,

-Flip

Why are you so opposed to us having the same basic privacy controls we have in IM programs such as AIM and Yahoo? There are times it would be nice to be able to be in SL and still appear offline. Additionally, the weird stalker-esque map tracking is something we should be able to turn on and off - there are times I don't want to be tracked, even by those on my friends list. Giving people options is not a bad thing.

Because Linden Resources can go to fixing the Bugs in the system which is more of a priority instead of fooling around on some toys that only a few want.

Fine then deleate the approrate system and let the Lindens get to work fixing the many thousands of bugs that Second Life has, like unstable Teleports etc...

It takes time and resources for them to chase after every dream toy of the FIC and Starchamber

Right, because I'm sure people you resent are the only ones who'd like better privacy features.

I don't resent anyone I avoid them

Then you also must think they should have been working on existing bugs instead of P2P teleporting, right? RIGHT?!

Geez man, buy some consistency.

Apparently, you also haven't read that LL operates with SEVERAL SMALL DEVELOPER TEAMS working on DIFFERENT projects. There's a team dedicated to finding bugs (called QA or QUALITY ASSURANCE). There's a team dedicated to FIXING bugs of developers. There's a team on browser on prim, and a team on Havok 2. Apprently you don't read anything LL's dev team puts out, but introducing new features isn't going to speed up bug fixing.

I haven't had an unstable teleport in ages. Can you list the other "thousands of bugs" that are constantly being experienced? Granted, there are still problems, but you're exagerrating thoroughly, being as inconsistent as usual, and its getting to be damn annoying.

So you and your friends aren't ELITE SLers, but you get your shiny new toy (P2P)... now that you have YOUR new toy, everyone else be damned? You talk about other users as FIC or "The Starchamber" yet act much more arrogant than anyone I've seen you refer to in that manner. Jeez.

Regards,

-Flip

Wouldn't that be a lot easier with better privacy tools?

The truth is, I did not ask them to carry out the Pinpoint Teleporting, they did that on their own. And until I saw the announcement (Made by someone who was freaking out over loosing telehub traffic) I had actually forgotten about my proposal.

I would had said, lets hold off till we get the bugs fixed but then it was very clear that they were set on giving the people Pinpoint Teleporting. So since it was my Proposal I went to bat for the Lindens and carried on a Campaign for support of Pinpoint Teleporting.

I made the proposal because I felt Pinpoint teleporting would be easier for the freedom loving people but then since that proposal was made several months ago, I forgot about it and changed my views on priorities.

If I had it to do over, I would not had written that proprosal but I would had written one to fix the bugs first.

But now, the people can enjoy greater freedom in movement and Democracy.

Let us not cry over spilled milk but simply move on and support the Lindens efforts in fixing Bugs.

So far I have been 100% successful at avoiding troublemakers

technically, Enabran's post wasn't slander so much as mockery