Teleport This

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I'm fed up with this. Any blingtard with a twitch can plant a script that teleports me home when I dare to fly over their precious privacy. But I can't teleport myself to a point on the map without having to travel over some other 'tard's precious privacy and get sent home again.

Who's fucked up idea of "community" is this?
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Not mine but I agree with you.

I've thought for a while that llTeleportAgentHome needs to be restricted to estate owners. Meanwhile, fly around 1000m, its above the range of most sensor scripts.

Khamon is Jarod's alt.



LF

It's never happened to me, but I know it does happen. Be nice if there was a time delay and range check actually built into llTeleportAgentHome().
Cannot affect anything that is more than X metres away, teleport not initiated for Y seconds (if you move out of range in time, nothing happens to you).

fly, fly, fly, fly
ObjectName: llTeleportAgentHome() in 10 seconds.
fly, fly, fly, fly
ObjectName: llTeleportAgentHome() cancelled. Target object out of range.
/nya! fly, fly, fly, fly...

Shouldn't affect the health <=0 teleport, since that's initiated by the system.

Just that one small change would continue to foster the illusion of privacy for the owner of the gadget, and not interfere signficantly with us flyover types. Yes, there's a sub-LSL timer, and some mathematics involved. Not much though.

Does this sound like a good idea? Or am I being dumb and missing something?

After thinking about this for a few minutes I have to conclude that people who make and use security measures in SL are pretty much in a state of denial. There is no way you can prevent assorted jerks and preverts from spying on you so why even bother?

Just go about your business and ignore the nuts is what I say.

I'd be okay with restricing llTeleportHome to estate owners without some sort of viable replacement only if llPushObject was restricted to estate owners as well.

llTeleportHome is widely misused for privacy purposes throughout the mainland. But its also one of the most effective ways to combat grief considering our current limited toolset.

Additionally, if you're a single owner of a parcel on the mainland, the only possible way to delegate security permissions to others is via a script. And many of them are downright awful.

Prop 244 asks for better mainland parcel tools to make security scripts like these redundant and unneccesary.

Right on, Khamon. It's a silly, pointless contrivance. Let's introduce mining for prims while we're placing useless throttles on user behavior.

Do you mean llEjectFromLand? The use of llPushObject in security devices is already pretty much prohibited. Cripling llPushObject would break just about every kind of vehicle, furnishing and physics device out there on the market.

Jarod wishes I was his alt.

I don't really care if people delude themselves into believe they have privacy on the mainland. What I don't understand is why they're afforded an teleporting feature in LSL to send people home, but we're not afforded one that will let us script an object to teleport us to a point on the grid.

The only reason anyone ever gives me is community this and explore that. What community? Seems more like people don't want me exploring their precious space and, frankly, that's fine with me. Just give me the ability to go directly where I want to be and I'll stay well out of their way.

Of course it would ruin Lordfly's immersion; but that's a price I'm willing to pay.

What I mean is using stuff like El Pusho Object is fine but then the person who thinks they have a right to spy on you will invent El Spyo which will cancel out your El Pusho.

Does this ring a bell to anyone?

No - I meant llPushObject. Agreed however, that's completely unrealistic.

I wanted to illustrate that removing llTeleportHome from legitimate mainland use is equally unrealistic without some sort of alternative such as delegatable mainland land parcel tools.

Yes, but think of all the strip malls, pronography, w-hat style builds and major time dilation you'll miss out on if we have p2p teleport.

Not to mention all that bandwidth you wouldn't consume.

I hear LindenLabs makes more money the more gigabytes you suck down out of their network.

Actually, come to think of it, we're seeing a lot of time dilation caused by avatar hand off. Teleporting may consume more resources than we are aware of.

Of course, we'll never find out. The brilliant engineers at LindenLabs (cough cough) think we're clearly to stupid to understand the issues they face.

Bah youse guys are all too stupid to realize that your arms race will get you nowhere despite my words of wisdom. Go at it!

Communities include hostile psychos, too. Haven't you ever heard of "care in the community"?

If your sim neighbor is doing this, go talk to them. You know, the way you would if someone set up an automated sentry gun on their suburban lawn in "real" life. If they're on a common route for you, remember this and go around.

I've spent a lot of time flying around exploring, and haven't run into one of these yet. Maybe I'm lucky, or maybe it's just not that common, and someone needs to have a chat with this person.

How hard could it possibly be to fix this?
Hey Lindens, I'll do the damn code for ya

llPoliteTeleportAgentHome(key agent)
{
llInstantMessage(agent, "The owner of this parcel has deemed you unwelcome. You have 15 seconds to leave or you will be teleported home";
llSleep(15);
if(llOverMyLand(agent)) llTeleportAgentHome(agent);
}

How about, "The owner of this parcel would like privacy. Please leave within 15 seconds, or you will be transported home." Or just, "you will be removed." (And NOT transported home, for God's sake! They should have the right to keep you off their land, arguably, but not the right to decide where you are going to go instead!!!

I also hate the officious, "You have 15 seconds to clear the area."

Police use that phrase, "clear the area."

Words that let you know the owner wants privacy are nicer than words that imply that you, personally, are undesirable, or worse, that you have committed some sort of crime.

coco

CoKo, no offense but if you're concerned about the exact value of a string literal, you must have a lot of time in your hands
LL will decide whatever they want to throw in there as the official text... the gist of my post was that it should be something that takes all of 5 seconds to code.

My immersion was broken after I realized SL was turning into a job with a lot of customers I couldn't possible all help properly.

I've since cooled down and have had a better time treating SL as a chat room + cad software + prototyping tool.

Lf

Never thought about the oddness of other people's ability to teleport you against your will juxtaposed against our inability to teleport us as we chose to.

Perhaps Linden Research has taken the specious view that it is a government too seriously and is trying to emulate government behavior by making us do things we don't want and keeping us from doing the things we do want. In case that has something to do with it, please, Linden staff, snap out of it, this isn't a game or a virtual world, it's a 3D software development product, we get tired of pretending it's a world all the time and want to go from page to page as quickly as possible, just we like we can on the old fashioned non-dimensional internet.

Hell yeah! SuezanneC for president!

i actually asked several Lindens on this matter as far as TeleportAgentHome, and was suprised to learn that you cannot use a TAH device out in the open even over YOUR land that is interfering with anothers flight path.

In the same scenario, persons are not allowed to stalk on someones land (weather it's spying, or hovering or just plain using your AV an an annoying presence) said land owner has the right to dipose of you at that point esecially if you are trying to gain access to ( Examp. a sky scaper) in which the device is house and its effects only cover the landowners borders but not outside of them atleast upto 300 meters.

as far as using a script to llEjectFromLand ... i think it's a bad idea in the fact that any push can warrant an abuse report. so yes Khamon imo if you are getting WhamBasted to your home even with a warning by a device thats in your open flight path you should have every right to IM the owner of the device and warn them of the impending abuse reports they could be having filed against them

I guess Blingards and Griefers do have a purpose: PROVING I AM A GENIUS!

So has LL even bothered saying why they haven't removed telehubs and just let people instantaneously port to their map destination of choice? I can't see any sense at all in the current system.

What I don't understand is the irrational and insistent need to keep these scripts running when nobody is even on the parcel.

By the way, if you watersim a resident with one of these security scripts, they may be able to navigate back and explore your still-rezzed property with their partially disconnected client. Since they're effectively disconnected, they can explore the property untouched by any security measure, fully ghosted. Sometimes, they may even still be visible to the rest of the world.

Food for thought.