new TV Channel -- perhaps too ambitious?

Yup. It wasn't very hard to call.

Thank you, Satchmo. That was the response I thought I remembered.

coco

Well, Weedy, apparently Siggy's every POST is about me, judging by his signature.

coco

Maybe he just likes funny-yet-true quotations.

Just made doublesure if I could post this from my source in the winning team.

In short, it was canned due to nonpayment on LL's part. Which, given the hoops I had to jump through to get my team member paid for the Game Dev Contest, doesn't really surprise me.


LL seems to have major issues with Accounts Payable to residents. It worries me.

I think it was the emphasis on Live TV that doomed it. Look at how many people are creating carefully crafted machinima for festivals, promos, and fun. Live TV in SL has the wierd factor, but letting residents have a place to show off produced shows would be better.

Imagine how many more people would create machinima if every inworld tv and video screen had the option to tune into SLTV and every budding producer had a built in market.

Forgot I have to put a disclaimer in everything 'This is not about Cocoanut Koala'

Yah I deliberatly post cryptic things right after you post everywhere..

If you were a muppet it would be Beaker... why?

MEMEMEMEMMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMMEMEMEMEMMEMEMEME

If I were to say something about it I would use your flippin name - as I did in Hamlets blog where I suggested that chopping your fingers off would solve the problem of your constant whining.. note : I used your name in that....

Note suggesting a solution isn't 'threatening you with physical violence' funny how a self touted writer has such a problem with basic comprehension skills.. If I said 'I want to' 'I should' 'I am going to' -- nice try - go back to nailing yourself to that cross you self absorbed idiot.



Tard.

Weedy 'Gets it'

Not so cryptic after all was it?

Agreed - the emphasis on the live content is a killer. You can automate the process - but only so much. It does take a lot of dedication and manpower to do - even in RL, in the crappiest of TV stations.

What I would like to see though is as this SL movie content increases - perhaps a SL TV show of some sorts isn't out of the realms of possiblility.. But I do think that just as the SL Radio scene took time to nurture and grow - so too will TV. Starting with small shows and perhaps building from there.

I thought the proposal was just too much too soon with too little.

Siggy.

I understand it now, Siggy. You were saying "I told you so" to the Lindens.

As for you - if you don't want me thinking you think rather TOO MUCH about me, try getting rid of that signature - for starters.

Second, stop calling me names. Third, stop elevating it to shocking things like "chop off your fingers." You may think that is cool and everything, but the only other person who ever said any such to me (in my entire life) was in TSO, and he was being tracked by the FBI for threats to people.

I don't know you from Adam. I have no proof that you are a safe, sane person, though I would estimate that the chances for that are close to 100%. Try to remember that I don't know you when you are relieving yourself of your innermost feelings regarding me. In fact, stop sharing those feelings.

You know, you do NOT have the right to do that here.

It is abuse. Stop it.

As for the topic at hand, it is distressing to think that people were having problems getting paid for the TV work. I'm interested in the TV station, cause I have a show I'd still like to do for it.

coco

"I wouldn't be so paranoid if everyone weren't always talking about me!"

blah blah blah.... yah - you read into it.. yes

I don't see how your so shocked at what people say when you carry on so.. I'm suprised its only one... no , in fact I don't believe you - I think its more like one hundred.

My 'innermost feelings' are along the same lines as masturbating with a cheesegrater - amusing at first but ultimately painful.

Look - unless I directly say HEY COCO - you can rest assured that I'm not talking about you... lets make that 100% clear.

And should I point out that I expressed my (rather humorous) choppy choppy opinions on another site -- NOT the forums - you decided to drag that over here... So that kinda invalidates half your points from the get-go.

Heres a good idea - stop reading my posts! Just hit that ignore button because the fact of the matter is that I'm gonna continue sharing my thoughts.. Just as you will continue to read into every post on the forum.. That lovely freedom of speech means I can voice my opinion any damn way I choose - and if it crosses the line a Linden will spanky my hand for it - not you - go play net nanny somewhere else....

Noone is forcing you to read my posts and the tools are there not to.

As for the sig line - that stays - because it's just classic cocoism at its finest.
Until of course I find something even more retarded to take its place.

I never said nothing about you, why are you always picking on me Enabran?

I agree Siggy. We both know what it takes to produce something watchable. It's better to produce nothing, than it is to produce something "hokey" or noticeably contrived. Nothing can be worse than having a bunch of raw footage dumped on your edit suite, with no catalogs, non-static shots or rife with talking heads, especially under a deadline.

Terms like crane, re-ask, bridge or continuity are lost on most people.

Some people are quite capable however, and I agree that SL TV will blossom some day too. Like any good production....it needs direction.

The way I see it, it's all about LL wanting residents to work for them without really, y'know - being on the payroll.

If you're looking for compelling content that is very real work, you'd better back it with very real pay. Because, honestly, the "honor of doing it for LL" only works the first time, if that.

Agreed - compelling content is a lot of work in RL and SL. And like everything I think it's gonna need baby steps and be nurtured.

I know there are some very good things in the 'media' out and about in SL - I had a read of the Metaverse Messenger the other day it looks really well put together.

Players Magazine and Erogenous Zone were good 'totally in world' mags too in their time.

There are several good Radio Stations running in world too - Plush springs to mind.. the budding Roadhouse Rawk (ok I'm biased on that one ) - but if they can find a way to be viable in world media and entertainment outlets - then some enterprising person may be able to turn that to bear on TV as well.

I'd love to see a SL running station - even if its only a lil show twice a week showing SL movies with an av at a desk telling us whats coming up.

That would be pretty cool.. but - baby steps.

Siggy.

Seeing as SLTV is currently suspended, I think it's also interesting to note that whoever was in charge of the Linden-side of things wanted to make SLBC sign a contract for the prize money. >_<

Yup, you heard me, CONTRACT. >_< Basically making SLBC legally responsible if anything was filmed that was copyrighted / trademarked. This included live feeds, for which NOBODY has control over such things.

Suffice it to say, SLBC was NOT amused.

I figure I might as well let it out in the open seeing as the project is.. either dead or on life support, not to mention that we never signed a nondisclosure agreement. At least, I didn't.

Impressive.

Linden Lab pays $500 and then puts all the liability on their new and underpaid minions?

The "work for free" or "$500" theory is decieving. LL had statistics that showed the Live feed on the homepage was the #1 recruitment tool they had. Lots of people were signing up after seeing the live feed. They were also offering referrel money to you for everyone who signed up through SLTV.

Now think about the massive growth SL has gone through over the last 3 months and what's its sure to grow over the next year. If even a fraction of those people who came over from the NYT article, were curious enough to watch the live feed before they signed up then you could make a pretty penny.

So there may have been things wrong with the contest, but it was a business partnership, not a "do our work for free" agreement. It's a shame no one had the vision to push it forward.

Everyone seems to want handouts... how bout trying to build a business? Most business starts with an investment, be it money or time, not delivered on a platter after a contest.

Oh yea... they were also offering free bandwidth, which would be a major business expense.

If that were true, why'd they remove it?

Because they didn't have the staff to staff it. They didn't want Lindens spending thier time on it, when they had other things to do. It wasn't the marketing department running SLTV.

They also realized that they don't do content as well as the citizens, and they were hoping someone would really take the bull by the horns and make it much better than what they were doing. So they shifted resources to other projects in anticipation of the competition winners taking over SLTV.

Since that didn't pan out, who knows, maybe they will ressurect it. It seems to me growth is still not LL's #1 concern. I mean how many ads have you seen for SL?

Well, how many ads have you seen for Google? Lack of ads doesn't mean that people are not concerned about growth.


If it was their #1 recruiter, I can't see them removing it unless they're trying to slow down growth.

But if they were trying to slow down growth, then why the new map?

And they didn't have to man it, why not just start replaying pre-recorded stuff?

It's not like new users would really care, they've never seen it before..


Actually, they haven't removed it:

http://secondlife.com/media/

And, after looking at that and when you think about it Satchmo, they *have* used your idea.

The problem with this is that the people who WERE Doing the live feeds needed to purchase the equipment needed to do it. i.e. a better video card, and / or a business-capacity ISP to handle the bandwidth necessary for live feed.

The problem is that SLTV and the Lindens clashed. THe Lindens, I'm assuming, were still on the mindset that it was a 'hobby group' Rather than an actual company that had formed. I mean, yes, we did get some help and support from the LL, but seeing as it takes a LOT to make and produce canned shows, let alone have people running around SL doing live feeds, is proving to be far too costly for LL to thoroughly invest in something like that again.

I will say this, IF SLTV gets off the ground again, it would make for an interesting challenge for users in sims to try and create places that aren't just tringo sessions, dance clubs, and shops for poseballs of the.. erotic nature.

ok, thats it, give me some channels to put in notecards, i'm making tvs professionally


Think outside the box people!! i mean, hmm lets think, MOVIES, REAL PROGRAMS... if it IS for hobby then your not making money off of it and your playing peoples shows for them, i beleive they'd be quite pleased for the free advertising