SL Is A Game - Because!

I've not been keeping up ith this thread for awhile,
but just saw this from Lee Linden today:

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seemed appropriate for this thread

Gabrielle

Second Life is actually a snack food. One doesn't need it, yet one craves it. Harmless when consumed with moderation, it takes the place of a balanced diet when consumed to excess.

Or maybe Second Life is the way the aliens are contacting the Chosen Ones and training us to adapt more easily to life on their planet.

"What is the use of the Rizal sim?"

Anything that requires mouselook is pretty much out of the question for me, I hate it, it doesn't feel right visually.

Couple that with changing the left and right arrow pivot keys to slide keys and that pretty much renders mouselook useless to me.

So all the sports that use mouselook - such as the laser tag game that was and may still be in Rizal for all I know is effort down the drain to me and anyone else with my distaste for mouselook.

So Rizal might be suffering to some degree from using activities that require mouselook.

You can do all that, and th IRS can still call it a hobby.

Chance your web hosting business didn't resembles second life in terms of having all the hall makrs of a traditional video game. With assumed names and artificial personas, this is would be a discretionary call by the auditor.

apparently Sl is also a religion.

This is only probelematic to the extent it conflicts with the first church of jake.
hehehe

*bites Merwan's tongue*

EDIT TO ADD: And great post Zuntira!!

And be pictured on a box of Wheaties. An empty one, of course.

We will just have to agree to disagree. I think, the IRS is a little more evolved in their thinking, especially when it comes to funds. Do they label drug dealers as hobbyist or business men?

So basically we can say that its a game that creates services to all, that are willing to take advantave and exploit the system to their advantage. You can make a game within a game to make more mononity. Or make a club where ppl can jiggle their butt's for god knows when. As long as its free forever i'll be here watchin it grow and laughing at the world!

The answer to this is simple.

Take away EVERYTHING that residents/players
have created, and look at what's left. What
has LL created themselves? Is it a game?

Now, look at what the residents have created.
Many games, businesses, fun, work.

Should be obvious... SL itself is not a game, but
residents have created fun entertainment within
LL's creation/platform.

Gabrielle

SL Is A Game - Because?

I read this whole thread, then asked my friends Filly, Sophie, & Kal, and THEY said...

There are at least two kinds of games. One could be called finite, the other infinite. A finite game is played for the purpose of winning, and thus ending the play; an infinite game for the purpose of continuing the play. There is but one infinite game.

I think sl appeals to the creative part of us that plays in that infinite game. (The quote is from James P. Carse, 1986)

Sl is not a game because we entered into an agreemtn with LL that forces us to acknowledge that LL is not a traditional game provider, and says basically that SL is a platform. If you accepted the TOS then you are bound by this, and all these debates about game or not game, should stop.

lol... this is a good example of a finite game: "by these rules, I win, therefore: game over, no more talk, stop!"

(finite games are not won until all the players and referees agree... hee hee hee)

* refuses to be stopped *

Hey its not my doing. LL was the ones who put it in the EULA. Things should not stop because I win or because I say so, I am just pointing out that people are oegally bound now to a particular position on this issue.

I like your line of thinking.

I am of the mind that there is an underlying need for many of us to compartmentalize, and call SL a game. This may be due to upbringing or other factors. Speaking for myself, I have struggled with this issue since the summer of 2003. Like Khamon, I had friends get angry with me over my calling it a game. Funny enough, I have come to view it less as a game as time goes on, however, the ToS and recent changes to it certainly doesn't help to instill more confidence in people who, like me, are already on the fence, and really serves to agitate those who already get cranky when people refer to it as not being a game.

With that said, I leave you with this:

Marvelous Toy (Tom Paxton)

When I was just a wee little lad full of health and joy
My father homeward came one night and gave to me a toy
A wonder to behold, it was, with many colors bright
And the moment I laid eyes on it it became my heart's delight

REFRAIN:
It went "zip" when it moved and "bop" when it stopped
And "whirr" when it stood still
I never knew just what it was and I guess I never will.

The first time that I picked it up, I had a big surprise
For right on its bottom were two big buttons that looked like big green eyes.
I first pushed one and then the other, and then I twisted its lid
And when I set it down again, this is what it did: (REFRAIN)

It first marched left and then marched right
And then marched under a chair
And when I looked where it had gone, it wasn't even there:
I started to sob and my daddy laughed, for he knew that I would find,
When I turned around, my marvelous toy, chugging from behind. (REFRAIN)

Well, the years have gone by too quickly, it seems,
I have my own little boy
And yesterday I gave to him my marvelous little toy.
His eyes nearly popped right out of his head
And he gave a squeal of glee,
Neither one of us knows just what it is,
but he loves it, just like me.

It still goes "zip" when it moves and "bop" when it stops
And "whirr" when it stands still
I never knew just what it was and I guess I never will.

GAMETAVERSE

hee.

Still makes me think of a monster destined to fight Gojira.

I still think the best "single-word term to describe what SL is" so far is Lordfly's "thingie" - it about covers it.

Aw, I was just using your quote as an example of how "game" validly means different things in different contexts, no harm intended.

I understand your point about the TOS but I don't agree that its language binds us to say "SL is not a game".

At worst the TOS language might "bind" us to agree SL is not a "traditional" game, but for that we all seem to be in agreement anyway.

I appreciate your citing an authoritative source!

It is a game because it fits a "games" definition; An activity providing entertainment or amusement.

But is it SL that is providing the entertainment, or is it the people that use SL to make things within it entertaining?

In chess or checkers, is it the pieces or markers that make it fun, or the people who move them?

Ok if SL is a game because not naming a name then Real Life is game due to Slander...Play the game Play Life...

Shadow

a world's a womb, else what are ovaries and testes for...

(ugh that didn't come out right lol)