What's a life without names?
"We do what we must, and call it by the best names." Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Merwan Marker
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09-25-2005 09:07
Because of the Linden Lab rule that names can not be named - SL is and shall remain a game.
What's a life without names? "We do what we must, and call it by the best names." Ralph Waldo Emerson ![]() _____________________
Don't Worry, Be Happy - Meher Baba
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Enabran Templar
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09-25-2005 09:09
Hahaha, Merwan.
This was tried last time we were consumed by drama. A valliant effort nonetheless. _____________________
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Merwan Marker
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09-25-2005 09:13
Hahaha, Merwan. This was tried last time we were consumed by drama. A valliant effort nonetheless. Hugh? ![]() _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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09-25-2005 09:15
Sometimes I suspect the business model depends on us staying anonymous.
For one, it might protect LL from libel suits (and obviously, they need protection ![]() Also, it allows SL to be the intermediary. For example, on eBay you can't publish something that advertisises your identity because then you could just contact that person directly .. distintermediating eBay. Which brings up a good point.. eBay is anonymous, in a way, so why not SL? |
Merwan Marker
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09-25-2005 09:18
Which brings up a good point.. eBay is anonymous, in a way, so why not SL? Sigh. Protect LL from liability? They are NOT protected because we can't name names or use our RL life idenities -either personal or business. I can sell on eBay using my real life name and identify. Stop to post misinformation to make your point. _/ _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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09-25-2005 09:20
Yes, but your RL identity is hidden from eBayers until payment.
As someone who has well over 5000 feedback ratings on eBay, it's not misinformation ![]() |
blaze Spinnaker
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09-25-2005 09:21
Sigh. Protect LL from liability? They are NOT protected because we can't name names or use our RL life idenities -either personal or business. How does that mean they aren't protected? If you can't name names then you can't libel? I'm not sure I understand. |
Merwan Marker
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09-25-2005 09:22
Yes, but your RL identity is hidden from eBayers until payment. As someone who has well over 5000 feedback ratings on eBay, it's not misinformation ![]() On MY E-Bay page, and or in MY E-BAY store - I can use all the real life identify and contact info that I want to use!!! Focus Blaze... ![]() _____________________
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Nathan Stewart
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09-25-2005 09:23
I think the closest you can get is sl is a game because life doesnt have a high score
Many things on the leaderboard you see in real life like worlds top richest or biggest company/groups etc, land, ratings, traffic and referrals are also valid, but whats a game without a high score ![]() _____________________
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Dianne Mechanique
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09-25-2005 09:25
Yes, but your RL identity is hidden from eBayers until payment. As someone who has well over 5000 feedback ratings on eBay, it's not misinformation ![]() eBay is awful. Their service is bad, it's crammed with the ugly (ads), their rating system is a non-working joke, and their dispute resolution non-existent. They are so "hands off" from their client base they are best asssumed to simply not *have* policies on anything much at all. _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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09-25-2005 09:26
On MY E-Bay page, and or in MY E-BAY store - I can use all the real life identify and contact info that I want to use!!! Focus Blaze... ![]() Well, you can do that in SL. I think it's called the 1st life tab. |
CrystalShard Foo
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09-25-2005 10:33
Well this is amusing... you've all just ended up prooving that RL is just a game.
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Invect Hasp
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One is allowed to reveal any real life info but -
09-25-2005 10:46
Users are allowed to reveal any real life information about themselves that they want, in the forums or in our in-world profiles or in streaming biographical videos on our virtual land or in broadcast advertisements on the in-world billboard systems.
The "no-names" policy for the forums is badly named. It is perfectly acceptable to refer to other Second Life members in posts. We can address each other by avatar name. We can mention third party's avatar names in our posts. We can use other's avatar names in posts but the posts need to primarily concerned with the Second Life virtual world. The "no names" policy might better be refererred to as "no personal attacks" policy. The Second Life forums are for the discussion of the Linden Research created virtual world. They are not intended for the the amusement of malicious people. They aren't intended to serve the same function as the alt.flame usenet newsgroups, and are bound by a more stringent behavioral standard. The disclosure section of the Community standards reads in part: "Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy." So, if a person feels their best interests are served by making their real life name, address, phone number, business affiilation, religion, sexual preference, etc. known to the SL community at large, this data can be placed in the first life section of the avatar's profiles and thus made available for use throughout the SL virtual world and forums. One would still not be allowed to engage in personal attacks in the forums using the real life name and other real life info because no one is ever allowed to engage in personal attacks in the Second Life forums. They may do it, since the forums are moderated after the posts are displayed, instead of before, but they are doing it without authorization. There is a serious problem with this, though, since someone can remove information about real life info from their profile it might be possible to get someone in trouble by putting real life info into your profile, getting someone to refer to it, then deleting the info from the profile, and then filing complaints with the abuse staff about disclosure clause violation. _____________________
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Gabrielle Assia
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09-25-2005 10:48
I think the closest you can get is sl is a game because life doesnt have a high score Many things on the leaderboard you see in real life like worlds top richest or biggest company/groups etc, land, ratings, traffic and referrals are also valid, but whats a game without a high score ![]() Uh... Fortune 500 ?? Gabrielle |
Torley Linden
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09-25-2005 11:44
Someone broke the straw on the consensus reality camel's back!
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Khamon Fate
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09-25-2005 11:56
It's a game because it generates fake money. If it were anything else, it'd be a desktop or a platform. It's not a desktop because residents have no permanent inworld storage or open method to save and retrieve Internet based storage. We also have dismal search functions and a worse inventory management interface. We have a lot of really smashingly great features; but nothing that supports a 3D desktop.
It's not a platform because it has no API and no ability to hook existing scripting languages. These might exist if the project was conducted by teams coordinated by someone with a development plan. As the hotline points out, twice, the client isn't even portable. It's almost an economic platform because the fake money can be traded for real money. But the fact that the system steadily creates fake money out of thin air makes it a game. The fact that the users demand that the company supply with them free money makes it impossible for the company to sell the service as anything other than a game. |
Jamie Bergman
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09-25-2005 12:30
Because of the Linden Lab rule that names can not be named - SL is and shall remain a game. What's a life without names? "We do what we must, and call it by the best names." Ralph Waldo Emerson ![]() I'm making RL money. Therefore, its NOT a game. |
Gabrielle Assia
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09-25-2005 12:41
It's a game because it generates fake money. Would you consider the US dollar "fake money" ? Would you consider the Chinese yen "fake money" ? If not.... and I can convert the yen to US which pays my mortgage and food, and can do the same with the $L, then I'd have to say the $L is not fake either. If yes... then what does is matter... they're all fake and I still get to convert whatever types I want to the currency I need to pay my mortgage and food, which is all I need to call them "real" for myself. As the hotline points out, twice, the client isn't even portable. Agreed... how sad It's almost an economic platform because the fake money can be traded for real money. But the fact that the system steadily creates fake money out of thin air makes it a game. The fact that the users demand that the company supply with them free money makes it impossible for the company to sell the service as anything other than a game. HAhaha... And how is this different than other world governments and welfare? Gabrielle |
SuezanneC Baskerville
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It's a toy.
09-25-2005 13:02
Second Life is not a game, it's a toy. Like a baby's rattle.
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Khamon Fate
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09-25-2005 18:50
Second Life is not a game, it's a toy. Like a baby's rattle. I've been kicked out of social circles for saying that. People don't seem to mind bandying back and forth the concept that it's a game. They get ruthlessly cruel when it's refered to as a "toy." _____________________
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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09-25-2005 19:21
What are social circles?
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09-25-2005 19:44
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Cristiano Midnight
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09-25-2005 19:46
I'm making RL money. Therefore, its NOT a game. You can make RL money from World of Warcraft too. _____________________
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Maeve Morgan
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09-25-2005 19:48
You could make RL money fron any MMO if you can find someone willing to pay for the legal tender of that game.
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Cristiano Midnight
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09-25-2005 20:04
You could make RL money fron any MMO if you can find someone willing to pay for the legal tender of that game. I just wanted to take a moment and document the post where you sold your soul to the forum devil: ![]() _____________________
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