Is this really Linden Lab?

But people said the same thing about them that you are saying about Lindens. I am sorry you feel that way about Linden Labs. I met several of them, and I have a different viewpoint of their abilities. I see a lot of similarities between Linden Labs and Apple and you obviously see something different.

Apple doesn't have a closed system and they never almost failed. They have a niche, just like Linden Labs does. As for what Linden Labs refuses to accept, you can't really say. Broad statements like that are baseless.

Either way, I don't see how this cynism is going to help. I'm really sorry you are so unhappy about this. I wish there was something I could say to help you.

What? You're telling us now that its so, you're telling us now that its going to BE so (which amuses me to no end) and you apparently fully intend on telling me in the future that you told me so then, which is now.

Good morning everyone, I wanted to remind you all to please refrain from personally attacking one another. Further attacks will cause this thread to be closed. Thank you.

Speaking of Havoc....

Sorry, personally knowing someone doesn't mean my opinion of what is happening here would change. I'm sure everyone at Linden Labs is a really nice person with the very best of intentions and are just the nicest bunch of charitable folk you'd ever want to meet.

It doesn't change in the least that they are running Second Life into the dirt at an alarming pace and apparently, without realising it.

I'm not unhappy about it, April. If anything, I'm ecstatic about it. The sooner Linden Labs gets done with failing, the sooner someone else can come along and get it right.

You don't need to worry about helping me. I would suggest you worry about how to help the people who are still convinced and sinking their money into this Titanic. They're the ones who are going to hurt the worst when it folds.

Looks good, Anshe... but it does need some editing.

Good morning Jeska.

Hey! It was a quick job, and is rather better than the original LL one...

Besides, it's all done in a spirit of fun, right?

Well you never really know how things can turn out. Sometimes we don't see the big picture and a move like this one, selling an island on eBay, might actually be the thing to turn everything around.

I didn't say I personally knew them, but I met some and was impressed with their knowledge, their determination and their obvious devotion to Linden Labs and Second Life. People with that kind of passion aren't just going to let something they believe in run into the ground for no good reason.

As an observer, you might want to consider that you don't have all the information they have.

I am glad you have no problems with this but saying such negative things can only hurt, even if you feel strongly they are true. Some companies that would have otherwise been fine have been damaged by such talk. Unless that is your intention.

You know, I can see there being a rush of these things now.

After all, everyone knows the fixed cost of an island and tier, so even if you don't even own a Premium account yet, you can put up an auction with the reserve equal to the price and then just buy the island once you get the money (provided you get the buyer to agree to wait, of course). Any bidding up is pure profit. And - can you say Second Chance Auction?

Well, there's the business of the landscaping work too, but I can easily see someone selling them cheap without that. And without the Dreamland t-shirts and virtual date (which are probably better value than the 20 free accounts )

(wonders which half of AnsheChung.com will be controlling the av on the date )

Sure, April. And maybe tomorrow morning, Bill Gates will decide to save Linden Labs from their own mismanagement by pumping them full of capital so they can actually staff as needed to develop and support the product and service.

And maybe Linden Labs will find a magical means of continuing to afford the racks they have when they have more people tiering down than up.

Look -- If you do analysis for any length of time at all, you very quickly learn the difference between possibility and probability. Possibilities are always endless. Probabilities are the result of past action and the percentage of chance that future action will vary and are, by nature, constraining.

Linden Labs IS failing. Not because *I* say so, but because their NUMBERS say so. Their filings say so. Their level of service says so, and their failure to meet a modicum of customer requested improvements says so.

It does not take a rocket scientist to see this is the case. And it is far more deceptive to pretend this is not the case than to honestly say that it is so.



You're missing the point. No one goes into business planning to fail. Yet 3 out of 5 businesses fail before reaching their fifth year. Being a good person doesn't mean you have what it takes to make a business succeed. Knowing things doesn't, either. Nor being determined and devoted.

Linden Labs is failing in part because they are so tightly tied to how they want things to be that they are unable to act and react to how things are... and that is lethal in any business, but especially so in this one.



If I thought I didn't have sufficient information to speak, I wouldn't be posting. Perhaps YOU might want to consider that I do have sufficient information.



Actually, I would like to see more people, especially those investing significant money here, to not be so blindly trusting and do some homework of their own. That Linden Labs continues to lie about their financial status and stability is telling and outrageous at once.

There are a number of customers who would jump at the chance to help out and perhaps even bail them out. Sadly, it seems they would prefer to take advantage of them rather than embrace them as a potential solution.

I hate to break it to you but there never was a sky to begin with. SL is just pixels created in a graphics program like paint shop pro.

Sorry if the truth hurts. The sky will never really fall, since it never really existed to begin with.

Mar

ROFL! That's got to be part of the fun, hasn't it?

I haven't seen much public land on the map, nor any disappearing islands recently.

If the land is there and privately owned, someone is paying the tier.

I for one would like to see these numbers you're talking about.

I'd be happy to sell you the research work I've done for a reasonable fee in USD. If you're not interested, I point you instead to the IRS and, of course, D&B.

Actually, something else bothers me a bit. I could see LL doing it, but unless they allow tier to be paid in advance, Anshe would have to continue owning the island she sold in order to continue being the one paying the tier (thus making sure she could pay it out of the bid recieved on the auction)

Isn't there a big difference between being the owner and being in a building authorised group, at the level of owning the entire island? To do with terraforming an environment controls?

Nah, I just won't believe you then. Everybody's happy!

"Second Life has a vibrant community where content creators and consumers reinforce one another," says Pierre Omidyar. "Better experiences attract more users, which further attracts entrepreneurial developers to enrich the experience. Opportunities abound and value is determined by the community."

"We have been blown away by the momentum inside of Second Life," said Benchmark Capital partner J. William Gurley. "While most multi-player gaming companies are inherently limited by the size of their development team, Second Life is limited only by the imagination of its users. This is clearly the most leveraged digital entertainment environment we have ever encountered." Gurley, who recently spoke about multi-player online gaming at the Web 2.0 conference, will be joining Linden Lab's board of directors.

"Within Second Life, thousands of people are creating what is in every sense of the word a new world. The demand for resources, servers, tools and features created by this rapid growth and heavy usage can be met with this new investment," said Philip Rosedale, CEO of Linden Lab. "I look forward to walking the digital streets of a place that has until now existed only in science fiction and dreams."

Mr. Gurley joins Mitch Kapor, founder of Lotus Development and founder of Kapor Enterprises and Jed Smith, managing partner of Catamount Ventures on the Linden Lab Board of Directors.

LL Announcements:

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Island Auction Questions

Hello! Wilder Linden here, and I'm currently running the island auction via Ebay. Please direct any questions and comments to [email]islandauction@lindenlab.com[/email] .

Thank you for all the feedback so far!

Wilder

No worries. I mean, it isn't as if I seriously thought you really wanted to learn anything.

Oh, c'mon.
You publically state you have some data, and publically comment on this supposed data, now you want to sell that data?

I call bullshit on your data unless you provide proof.

Yeah, that's pretty much where I was headed with my earlier statement.

You're starting to sound like a sketchy informercial with a mean streak, Cienna. I'd rather not send you the $50 for the starter kit so I can find out how LL is going to tank.

Right. I'm shell out bucks for the information and spend as much time as I have pulling it into order, and then just hand it to you because you want to see it?

I call bullshit on your interest. Labor and effort are worth payment. You want to see the report, buy it.

I don't think they will fail in a year, and if they are in different hands, it will be because someone thought it was a good enough thing to buy.

I think SL is still very clearly on the upswing. They are throwing money into it at JUST the right time to be throwing money into it - hiring more people, etc. (As opposed to EA.) And trying new things at just the right time to try them.

Course, I could be wrong.

But if I'm right - and in a year we are still here - I'll say "I told you so." And if we are not only still here but going great guns like LL appears to be doing at the moment (despite the things that are wrong, and despite growing pains), then I will expect not only for people to admit I told them so, but also a large party thrown in my honor.

coco

Cienna spent time investigating how LL is going to tank.

Now she can't shut up about it and belittling people who don't believe her.

Yet, she wants people to pay for the proof that she won't shut up about.

Take it to the Classifieds forum.