Kudos, partly ... but with a qualification: this is why the blogs aren't enough

Okay, I'm pleasantly surprised to see that LL did the right thing and offered a more immediate secondary option for resetting passwords rather than just blowing this off 'till Monday. That's a lot more than I'd come to expect, and I think credit should go where credit is due.

However.

I do want to say also that I wonder whether they would have been so quick to respond had they not seen the outcry their initial solution provoked. Which, in turn, begs the question: how can the blogs possibly replace the forums in a worthwhile fasion?

If anything, it seems to me that this is a perfect example of the reason the forums are needed: it gives LL's customers a voice. That isn't just good for us; it's good for them, too. It lets them see when something is so serious in terms of potential lost customers that it needs to be addressed not Monday, not even tomorrow, but as soon as possible.

She's right, you know....

Space

In this, I agree with Alex 100%.

They know full well how important the board is in these and many many other cases Alex. It comes down to the Tao. People have said it before but it is the truth. The boards CAN be managed they just don't WANT to expend the energy on them.

All those that were so excited and happy the boards were closing should be rethinking their position. They have proved their worth once again to this community. This is our info hub. Those blogs are the waste of energy. It would be just as easy to set up a sticky thread for every Linden to post the newest thing right on this board. Hell lock the post too. We can make our own threads to discuss them.

I watched yesterday as one resident ran around acting like they were LL staff telling everyone what they should be feeling about all this. Once again showing how wrong they were in guessing the way things work. At one point they even used this crises to trumpet how much better the blog is for this kind of situation. BULLSHIT! Be ashamed for that comment. The blog set their silently saying there was a problem, this board lit up with solutions and comfort. While LL scrambled to make password verification easy residents advised scared people what they should be doing to protect themselves in all this.

I am blown away in all this there hasn't already been an announcement that they will let the boards remain. If someone doesn't see the worth then I question what they use to measure worth. I dont care about the idiot posts that are obviously not doing a thing for the community but I just skip them. It is not that hard to find the diamonds in the rough here.

/rant

Since "Begging the question" is a logical fallacy, are you sure you want to assert that you just "begged the question?"

However, you are correct, you did commit this logical fallacy, which is to:
make the error of making a conclusion on based on a statement that is as much in need of proof as is your conclusion.

Here is where you beg the question:



I assume you did not mean to accuse yourself of begging the question. Or are you being so cheeky as to make the logical error whilst talking about the logical error?




Nope. Still quite thrilled about it. Still got the champagne ready.
Cheers!

It is a commonly used, well-understood phrase that became an acceptable part of the English language long ago.

You cannot be that dumb. I refuse to believe it. So I must assume you're simply being obnoxious instead.

Fixed!

I agree with you totally Alex, though I think they got on the ball less for the outcry about the forums and more about the outcry that spilled over onto digg and slashdot.

Which brings up an interesting option we all have if they do stick to the blog-option format.

If they decide to leave us with only the one-way blog system as a method to express our opinion about things, which they can then delete or shut comments off entirely, I think every time LL makes a policy decision we dislike we post about it on external sites which will be viewed by those who have no affiliation with SL at all.

I really feel they saw "Ohshit, bad PR, must fix" when the story reached the front page of digg and reacted because of that.

Ofcourse the forums made it a lot easier for users here to find out about the digg story as well.

How long ago, exactly?
But, nevertheless, and still, you miss the criticism implicit in the post, that you have indeed begged the question at hand.





I'm inclined to agree with you.

If the tables were turned, I only hope I could but say the same.

See my post above about wading through the crap Alex. Don't stop to smell it, move along.

Not semantics, child, logic.
If you're going to smear someone, at least get the terms correct.

Fixed again! Gosh man, run your typos through Microsoft Word before you post, eh?

Here, child:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=beg

Carry on, now.

If that was a smear to you you're a pretty big baby. If I'd smeared you you'd be crying.

A touch! A sting, in truth!

To be completely honest, it's even possible that people will turn to things like "Digg" more when their voice here is taken away. Taking away the forums effectively takes away the collective voice of the customers, who are naturally going to look for some other way to get a voice, assuming they don't simply leave.

I totally agree. Which means the attempt at silencing us will only spill out more to affect LL in ways it wouldn't have if we all remained coralled here.

I am also again struck at the fact that those cheering the strongest for the death of the forums are those with astronomical post-counts considering they've been registered a fraction of the time I have, and all of their posts are snide comments to one person or another. Hypocracy much?

Consider it "carried on".




I note that in only one of your definitions



So you are arguing that either:

your assertion



either makes unwarranted assumptions from which you draw faulty conclusions (3) or fails to come to grip with the actual matter?

I would say that you're commiting (3), as it is the more charitable possibility. But if you want to cop to (4) as well, be my guest.


Oh, and Joshua, child, allegations of asshattery are not the most convincing way of establishing that one is past the age of majority.

Partly, maybe. Partly, of course, it's just the usual crowd of ... Io put it best: of sycophants. You always see them in any forum for any MMO: they're the ones who will always, always, always cheer the company on no matter how bad their decisions are and who will always attack anyone who dares to object, no matter how valid the reason. It seems to sort of just be a requirement that those people are there. Sometimes, I almost wonder whether some of them are really paid employees pretending to be customers in order to attempt to covertly influence customer opinion.

That's a very prok opinion you have.

Bite me.

Okay, I guess I have to hold your hand so that we can make it through this together. I suppose I should thank you for repeatedly bumping this thread to the top, even if you're annoying me enough that I'm having to force myself to exercise a measure of restraint.

In fact I was pointing to this:



beg the question Take for granted or assume the truth of the very thing being questioned. For example, Shopping now for a dress to wear to the ceremony is really begging the questionshe hasn't been invited yet. This phrase, whose roots are in Aristotle's writings on logic, came into English in the late 1500s. In the 1990s, however, people sometimes used the phrase as a synonym of "ask the question" (as in The article begs the question: "What are we afraid of?").

Considering how foolish many end up looking when the sermons they preach end up being bass ackwards from the truth I dunno.

I don't think that every single thing Prok has ever said is garbage. I do think he expresses himself very, very poorly, and he makes the very common mistake of assuming he knows everything about a given topic regardless of whether he actually does.

No you're right. We've experienced this at SC.

I would normally say, "I wish", but...

<looks at the pyres being setup for LL>

<grins nervously>

Nope. Not today I don't. They are on their OWN. I may preach moderation, but only so far as I don't become another shrimp on the barby...

Just try not to hang too many of them, 'kay?