"Responsible" W-Hats stand up please!

And I say to you, it's all maya anyway.

I dunno Teddy, seemed to make a lot of sense to me.

But the kind of humour you mentioned there is pretty funny, and that's one of the differences i've had with W-hat, is that that stuff is funny, but the stuff I see and hear about from them the most is them mocking RL tragedies. Granted these people probably fit into the minority section of your group, they're also what is making up the majority of your publicity.

I would have laughed at the Mime's with blank signs joke, I didn't laugh at the W-hat members dancing and throwing trains into fires at the candlelight vigil for the London train bombings.

So in the end, from what i've seen W-hat has 3 types of jokes: rather mature and funny ones I haven't seen a lot of, immature and generally unfunny ones that I see a lot of, and immature and offensive ones that I see and hear about a lot (though that doesn't necessarily mean that's what they mostly do).

*shrug* maybe I just need to hang around them more.

The train thing I didn't think was too funny either, and I alerted the proper people about it. Time and place etc.

The 9/11 stuff is mainly less a tweaking of the tragedy itself, as it is a tweaking of the retarded jingoism that's sprung up in its wake. When was the last time you saw 20 cars without a single one of them having a HURR I SPENT A DOLLAR TO 'SUPPORT OUR TROOPS' AND DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO ALTER MY PAINT JOB magnet? Yeah, that's the target. One of the goons (not on SL to my knowledge) contacted a magnet manufacturer and ordered a bunch of 'Support the magnetic ribbon industry' ribbons, I keep meaning to contact him and see if he has any left for sale.

But yes, whether or not my senseless blather explained anything for you, I heavily support looking at things with your own eyes and drawing your own conclusions instead of just agreeing with whatever the internet (note: this includes me) tells you what to think, but that's true of any situation, really.

I think the reason W-hats do the things they do is because it is so easy to piss you people off. You all act like this real life. Perhaps it's time to crawl out of the basement and into the sunshine. I would be willing to bet a linden or two that if you folks stop giving the w-hat crowd all this air time in the forums they would go away.

Food for thought

Rox

Actually, I just rejoined the game because I saw a fellow W-hat sporting some Warhammer 40,000 related armor. Maybe I can get my modeling and scripting back up to speed...

I'm not going anywhere, and W-hat isn't as long as it has a member left standing. But I don't seem to fit the public profile of the W-hat "asshat" is.

Different sense of humor is not the same as deranged mind. Many people find it quite natural to chuckle at something tasteless, if only because it points out some kind of truth about the human experience, or reminds them of something else (which might be tangential) that they found funny in the past. Everyone has a distinct model of the universe and how they relate to it, and each model is constructed from many life experiences that may be vastly different from yours. For one person, over-the-top humor might be funny simply because it seems over-the-top - for another, it might touch a nerve, some former experience they found unpleasant, and they might not think it's so funny.

Please be careful with the word "is." Calling these things antisocial assumes some hatred for society, maybe even intention to "harm" it, when actually it is just as easily explained by having a "dark" sense of humor. As for contra-survival, well, I don't believe seeing a disagreeable image is going to shorten anyone's lifespan.

Wouldn't this be called "ironic" considering your tone?

I consider my words very carefully, thank you. Evidently I understand the meaning of the world 'altruism' to be something other than you do.

Or I should say "something Awful"as that is the name of the group that keeps littering on my property pretty much daily, sending musical anvils to dance around just before my simulator crashes (just before an event or during the event often) and dropping rezzers that send particle chicken legs everywhere. Goons have harassed events hosts by pushing them with objects. The member that was permabanned for taking down the grid was confirmed by another Something Awful member to have been the same player who was banned a mere week before for shooting missiles indiscriminately at neighbours and who fired missiles at me while i was standing peacefully on the atoll road.

If you look, I haven't really been posting about this, but just daily and sometimes thrice daily reporting incident after incident after incident. Teddy was pretty incredulous at the number of abuse incidents the group caused in a different thread. I wonder if it would be legal to post the numbers of abuse reports that are related to the group? If so, perhaps we could provide some evidence of continued and ongoing troublemaking by the group's members? though I generally erase report follow ups from my email, if it were legal to post abuse report numbers in connection with this group (that is not against the tos) I could cut and paste a few just from the last couple of days, and doubtless that list would grow exponentially and daily (if their past behaviour is any indicator).

A couple of the members of the group intimated that they were interested in aquiring land. This was mentioned in passing, but it is rather like the fellow who has just swept your store's counter clean with his arm, sending things crashing to the ground below, telling you he'd like to offer you some protection.

My present circumstances (daily harassment by members of a "1337" group of W-hatters that took the subgroup name Something Awful) make me less than positively inclined toward them. I'm tired of the racist avies at events, tired of my hosts getting physically abused, tired of their spinning teacups full of players who verbally abuse me, tired of the daily litter, missiles, harassment, etc. Thankfully my team of event hosts and friends have banded together to lessen the tiresome nonsense. I don't think any of our guests was even aware there was a problem, my team has been quick enough to deal with the issues. And we now have security to more effectively eliminate griefers. (Thanks Marth, BB and Kitty.) But I never wanted to resort to having security. i mean eww! I have to do this in my 2nd life too??? lol I was actually idealistic enough to never have one till now thinking that being a good person and treating others well would be security enough.

If W-hatters are nice individually, great*. but as a group, they truly are something awful. I wish there were a way to relocate them to their own private island where, if they wished, they could do something awful to themselves, as they would have no neighbours to grief.

*admittedly, I've had fun skee balling with one of them and have had pleasant convos with several. i wore Baz's hair for ages. i just don't like bullying tactics if used by any group.

This may be difficult for forum regulars to understand, but forum activity is insignificant next to the number of members of Second Life and the time they spend inworld. That is true of the whole thing, not just W-Hat. "What forums?" is a question I still hear on a regular basis.

(Or would, if i had broadband at the moment.)

No tone implied. I am atempting to point out that there are some serious die hards in this game. People who think nothing of going off the deep end if anyone or anything comes between them and their game. Then posting about it to the forums. I think folks like that are hanging a virtual "Kick Me Sign" on thier backs. Inviting greifers and w-hats to raise hell in SL because they know they are guaranteed a loud and massive response.
Deny the griefers the reaction they seek and you will cut off the fuel that drives them.
I doubt this will ever happen though. Many folks would rather slam the forums than shrug it off thinking "shit happens" than do something else.

Rox

Im in W-hat. Not one mark on my account.

I make toilets. I strived to make the largest toilet in the whole world.

Accounts nearly a year old too.

Edit- I dont quite give a crap what anyone thinks about us, me or the people who I dig in the game. I rarely leave the property anyhow.

you don't give a crap, wino? well i suppose that is understandable, with all those toilets. ;-D

i guess what bothers me, though, is when any group makes a big deal of not giving a crap about what others think or the experiences of others. what better way of stating that one has no empathy for others?

i pretty much leave people alone unless they come see me (much as my friends try to drag me out). I don't expect much of guests other than that they are pleasant company. stuffing a person's fish into a fountain to cause lag, for example, is not pleasant. insulting the house owner, also not pleasant. wearing a train avatar and trying to run over someone's naked avatar, again not so pleasant (unless the person has a mechanical fetish and then who am I to judge?)

I guess the last sentence says it all: who am i to judge. When people imagine themselves so elite that they can punish others whom they think they are better than by causing lag, insulting people, battering people, firing weapons at people, etc., these elitists need a serious reality check. No one person is so great that he or she deserves to harm anyone else. I don't judge anyone's builds or behaviour so long as everyone is happy. But if someone brings their nastiness to me then I should have the right to say stop. the problem with telling my neighbours to stop is that the one neighbour is banned, but the same player pops up in a new avie until that one gets banned. It doesn't stop, it compounds. Normal conflict resolution methods have failed because the conflict is being started and perpetuated by a group that is interested only in creating and perpetuating conflict. I say group because the efforts are organized, continuous, and only started after W-hat moved in next door. Prior to that I had no griefing at the new location. I even had my edit land on for several months with no problems. and for a year i've never needed security. Till now. it's kinda sad. I like individuals who are in that group, but it makes me sad that those individuals choose to continue to belong to a group that is organizing to target me and my property routinely.

Why should I pay $200 a month to put up with an annoyance like this? I understand that LL doesn't have much of an interest in ridding itself of a griefer that actually causes people to buy private islands, so we cannot expect much help there. I would be super curious as to how many abuse reports that have been filed have the word W-Hat in them. Surely that wouldn't be too hard to come by, were one a Linden. I am starting to think that the idea of a boycott might not be a bad one since we have so little recourse against griefers in this game. If someone can think of a better solution, I am open to hearing it.

You misunderstand. You're trying to apply a real world concept in a virtual world. I'm arguing that you can't, unless you redefine what "altruism" is - because of the inherent differences between the real world and a virtual world.

I'm not criticizing you for not knowing what "altruism" means.

No, he's not, he's criticizing you for not compartmentalizing the same way he does.

Subsequently, the definition of words are dependant upon Seth's interpretation of the inherent differences between RW and VW.

Get with the program!

While I do tend to speak, in a casual fashion, of "virtual worlds" as is the common term, I think you're the one who misunderstands. There's just one world; a "virtual world" such as Second Life is both nothing more and nothing less than a communications medium, among other things.

You are essentially saying that one cannot be altruistic over the telephone.

Finally! Someone with the correct idea of what W-Hat stands for.

It is now my understanding that W-hat was developed as a way to distance from the acts committed by S.A. goons (though said goons still claim to be W-hatters and there is no way to ascertain who is and who isn't a w-hatter unless they wear the tag). It rather seems like the bart simpson disclaimer "I didn't do it" or w-hat?