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Distilling Achievables

Ulrika Zugzwang
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08-11-2006 18:13
What's distilling achievables? Why, it's less friction, more focus. More visible results. More openness, more Linden voices not being buried.

Enjoy the new SL. The same as before but without your voices getting in the way.

~Ulrika~
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08-11-2006 18:53
Ok is it just the single beer I drank - or was that whole post totally illegible?

I didn't get one single thing - except for being busy with forum moderation... and I thought thats why the list of premier fucktards was enrolled to fill the position of 'resident moderator' ...

Eh.. .fuck it.. I'm going down the pub... see you all on Sunday.
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Jellin Pico
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08-11-2006 18:55
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
What's distilling achievables? Why, it's less friction, more focus. More visible results. More openness, more Linden voices not being buried.

Enjoy the new SL. The same as before but without your voices getting in the way.

~Ulrika~



I find it somehow disturbing to agree with you about anything Ulrika, but in this I do.
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Jack Harker
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08-11-2006 19:17
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
What's distilling achievables? Why, it's less friction, more focus. More visible results. More openness, more Linden voices not being buried.

Enjoy the new SL. The same as before but without your voices getting in the way.

~Ulrika~


Looks like corporate Newspeak to me. Also, in another post about the forums, Torley also used the term, "leverage" when talking about the forums.

Really, I think it's esentially, "Get back into the game, and stop hanging around out here questioning the Corporate Vision and causing us problems."

I think that this is eventually going to turn around and bite LL in the ass. Silencing critical feedback general does. The bigger an organization is, the longer it can survive the loss of efficency, but LL isn't all that big.

I give it a year at most.
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08-11-2006 19:17
Short synopsis for the prose disabled:

From: someone
Hi musicteacher! In the simplest terms, I and other Lindens have considered all of this beforehand--I know I have since the beginning of this year. Considered, re-considered, and re-re-considered, and along the way, attempted to introduce changes to ameliorate the experience. They did not work, so we're here, in the present.


We thought about it a long time, and tried to improve the existing situation That didn't work.

From: someone

We can't make it obvious we DO want to hear from and respond to Residents. However, the forums work against this--literally, 100s of times, I have received messages asking me: "Can you get a Linden to reply?" and then, there is the sea of SL Answers... which I am struggling to keep up with. It's unscalable. And I am only human.


We want to hear what residents are saying, but reading the forums is just too much work.

From: someone

Some of the many reasons why were already detailed in Robin's blog post as you referenced, for anyone who hasn't seen it yet:

Forums Take a New Turn
http://blog.secondlife.com/2006/08/...ake-a-new-turn/

I receive opinions in abundance. I get no shortage of them--it's not so much the medium as the message, and I get IMs, PMs, emails, blog entries, and more. I'm lucky and grateful.

There'll be more to come!


I'm still getting a lot of messages, and there will be more messages.

From: someone
Now, doing something and distilling achievables is a key goal. We have so much to contend with, and we want to have a clearer path to do the best for our community.


We're overworked. We need less forum work to actually achieve something useful.

From: someone


What does this mean?

Less friction, more focus. More visible results. More openness, more Linden voices not being buried, etc.


People can't find Linden posts now.

From: someone

It means for me personally that I spend less time handling forum moderation, and more time grabbing gems and aggregating them so Resident Experience bugs can be fixed SOONER! It's very interconnected--I have only so many hours in a day to work, and I want to make the best of it. It *also* means that I get a clearer view of problems so we can jump on them quicker, with lessened repetitive and redundant noise.
Basically: the same information--and more!--will still get through to me, via different means.


I'm overworked. I need less forum work to actually achieve something useful.

From: someone


About the content creation forums, please see:

"Content Creation forums have an open-ended future."
/139/f7/128863/1.html

and pass that link onto everyone who asks! (I'm concerned it'll get lost.)



From: someone
"I am affected by what others do. What I do affects others..."
Finally, the keystone: we shouldn't be crutched on things which take away from the inworld experience. With reevaluated priorities, we'll be able to focus on improving inworld methods of communication, something the forums have drawn resources away from for a long time. I painstakingly realized this when throwing my hands up in the air over the limitations I encounter with IMs, notecards, and limited Groups tools--in the works to be better.


We need less forum work to work on better communication tools in world.

From: someone

Some of it's really hard to see now, I know. I don't doubt what the forums have provided either; I am, after all, their most active and prolific participant in Second Life history. I've had many wonderful opportunities; I've seen and done many things here, and have lived and breathed the forums. In doing that, I've become intimately familiar with the ins and outs: the good, the bad, and the ugly, as it were. *Ennio Morricone cue plays* And in doing that, I realize that there's a bright future ahead, but we're going to have to walk through a tunnel with scary mirrors of twisted reflections and fears to get there. If we walk together, we'll be alright.

I'll walk with you.


I used the forums a lot myself. Now we're removing them, and we all feel bad. But it will be better eventually, if everybody wants to.


;)
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08-11-2006 19:19
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Yes, but you left out the sarcasm, and that many buzzwords *deserve* sarcasm. ;)
Damanios Thetan
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08-11-2006 19:25
I'm sorry, I still like Torley, and everybody who met her in world, knows how much she enjoys SL and cares for the community. I just wanted to distill the simple facts.
I think this post is a weird amalgamation of Torley Speak, Linden Tao and Corporate Slang. I'm not sure what to think of it, but the intentions are honest. You just need to read between the lines.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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08-12-2006 00:43
From: Damanios Thetan
You just need to read between the lines.
Ah. So that's what distilling achievables means.

~Ulrika~
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Macphisto Angelus
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08-12-2006 00:53
I found this on a web site (had to see how others use this term.. wow, it is a business phrase. :Dhttp://www.accentex.com/

"Your business evolves every day, so should your business and technology. having the right idea is just the begining - distilling that idea into an achievable strategy is critical to the realization of your business opportunity."

So, maybe she is saying that they have the right idea.. now they just need to put it into action.


Newsflah LL... closing the forum is NOT an achievable strategy you should distill.
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08-12-2006 01:14
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Uma Bauhaus
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09-05-2006 23:17
Today, Linden Lab announced that it will be distilling its community's achievables on Friday 8 Sep 2006.
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Flavian Molinari
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09-05-2006 23:40
From: Uma Bauhaus
Today, Linden Lab announced that it will be distilling its community's achievables on Friday 8 Sep 2006.


LL is also attempting to distill the undesirables off third party forums is seems.
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09-06-2006 06:29
I used to like Torley. I know he/she's the darling of SL, but I feel betrayed by him/her. I'm sure his/her heart and intentions were in the right place, and I know that ultimately SL meant way more to him/her on a visceral, emotional level than most of us can understand.

Which is why it boggles me that he/she'd stab us all in the back so thoroughly. Because when something means more to you than other people, it hurts more when you lose it than it's going to hurt to other people.

When LL finally pisses everyone off, which I've no doubt they really will do, and another system comes around, there will be a mass exit. And who's going to welcome the architects of SL's destruction at the new place?

Tread lightly with the decisions you make as the corporate assplug, is all I'm saying. A heart of gold won't save you if you fuck it up too much for the rest of us and you're no longer in charge of anything.
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09-06-2006 06:39
From: Joshua Nightshade
I used to like Torley. I know he/she's the darling of SL, but I feel betrayed by him/her. I'm sure his/her heart and intentions were in the right place, and I know that ultimately SL meant way more to him/her on a visceral, emotional level than most of us can understand.

Which is why it boggles me that he/she'd stab us all in the back so thoroughly. Because when something means more to you than other people, it hurts more when you lose it than it's going to hurt to other people.


My guess is that this isn't Torley's decision, but a decision made 'from on high', and filtered down and given to Torley to take the brunt of our dissatisfaction. A corporate scapegoat, if you like.

Meaningless buzzwords like "distilling achieveables" might impress corporate investors, but it doesn't mean anything in the real world. Incidently, distilling means that there is an end product left behind - what's happening here is more like evaporation.

Lewis
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09-06-2006 06:40
From: Lewis Nerd
My guess is that this isn't Torley's decision, but a decision made 'from on high', and filtered down and given to Torley to take the brunt of our dissatisfaction. A corporate scapegoat, if you like.

Meaningless buzzwords like "distilling achieveables" might impress corporate investors, but it doesn't mean anything in the real world. Incidently, distilling means that there is an end product left behind - what's happening here is more like evaporation.

Lewis


I didn't mean betraying us by closing the forums. I meant by working for LL. :P
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09-06-2006 06:50
From: Joshua Nightshade
I used to like Torley. I know he/she's the darling of SL, but I feel betrayed by him/her. I'm sure his/her heart and intentions were in the right place, and I know that ultimately SL meant way more to him/her on a visceral, emotional level than most of us can understand.

Which is why it boggles me that he/she'd stab us all in the back so thoroughly. Because when something means more to you than other people, it hurts more when you lose it than it's going to hurt to other people.

When LL finally pisses everyone off, which I've no doubt they really will do, and another system comes around, there will be a mass exit. And who's going to welcome the architects of SL's destruction at the new place?

Tread lightly with the decisions you make as the corporate assplug, is all I'm saying. A heart of gold won't save you if you fuck it up too much for the rest of us and you're no longer in charge of anything.
This needed to be said.
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09-06-2006 06:51
From: Joshua Nightshade
I used to like Torley. I know he/she's the darling of SL, but I feel betrayed by him/her. I'm sure his/her heart and intentions were in the right place, and I know that ultimately SL meant way more to him/her on a visceral, emotional level than most of us can understand.

Which is why it boggles me that he/she'd stab us all in the back so thoroughly. Because when something means more to you than other people, it hurts more when you lose it than it's going to hurt to other people.

When LL finally pisses everyone off, which I've no doubt they really will do, and another system comes around, there will be a mass exit. And who's going to welcome the architects of SL's destruction at the new place?

Tread lightly with the decisions you make as the corporate assplug, is all I'm saying. A heart of gold won't save you if you fuck it up too much for the rest of us and you're no longer in charge of anything.

It was a mitake, imo, to have the account transferred from the personal one to the corporate account. Shouldn't have had to give up the role of being, and the reputation built up as, an individual to become exclusively corporate. The necessity of having to gear your speech towards your employer's best interest when wearing our worker hats is something we can all understand. (Well, except Strife, I guess.) However, one doesn't normally have to sell our whole entity for a paycheck; but maybe, that's exactly what LL was looking to buy.
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09-06-2006 07:05
From: Damanios Thetan
We want to hear what residents are saying, but reading the forums is just too much work.

This, while accurate, astounds me. Don't believe the 400,000 number on the front page. On any given night the highest number of residents I've ever seen log in has been in the 8,000 mark. Figure maybe 10% of those even know the forums exist, you're down to 800. Figure half or 3/4 of those are lurking, which gives you a couple of hundred active posters. That feels about right to me.

And it's too much work?

Sony (Everquest) tried managing their forums the Linden way -- I was one of their resmods, and they had NO clue how to manage a forum. In fact, Verant Pres. Brad McQuaid did to me what LL has done to Torley. They gave me corporate speak to pass to the users and then wouldn't back me. Fuckers.

So they closed the EQ boards for a while. When they reopened them, they had a new management scheme in place, and while the board earned its popular moniker "Whineplay", they at least got their hands around it eventually.

EQ had over half a million users at its height, scattered over a dozen or more servers with heavy populations on each one. Their numbers made SL look like small time, and the Lindens can't even figure out how to manage a simple board like this. Unofficial comments from a couple of the resmods reinforce this theory -- they couldn't even get the resmod program to work.

That's the real story here. Not the holy Tao, not "distilled sewage water". LL doesn't know how to do this well, and their Tao gives them the license to NOT do whatever they don't like.
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09-06-2006 07:07
From: Cindy Claveau
This, while accurate, astounds me. Don't believe the 400,000 number on the front page. On any given night the highest number of residents I've ever seen log in has been in the 8,000 mark. Figure maybe 10% of those even know the forums exist, you're down to 800. Figure half or 3/4 of those are lurking, which gives you a couple of hundred active posters. That feels about right to me.

And it's too much work?

Sony (Everquest) tried managing their forums the Linden way -- I was one of their resmods, and they had NO clue how to manage a forum. In fact, Verant Pres. Brad McQuaid did to me what LL has done to Torley. They gave me corporate speak to pass to the users and then wouldn't back me. Fuckers.

So they closed the EQ boards for a while. When they reopened them, they had a new management scheme in place, and while the board earned its popular moniker "Whineplay", they at least got their hands around it eventually.

EQ had over half a million users at its height, scattered over a dozen or more servers with heavy populations on each one. Their numbers made SL look like small time, and the Lindens can't even figure out how to manage a simple board like this. Unofficial comments from a couple of the resmods reinforce this theory -- they couldn't even get the resmod program to work.

That's the real story here. Not the holy Tao, not "distilled sewage water". LL doesn't know how to do this well, and their Tao gives them the license to NOT do whatever they don't like.


Yeah. WoW has like 12841848148158153 times the number of users and fewer servers running the game, I believe, and their system is relatively stable and they have forums.

It's not a matter of too much work. It's sheer incompetence wrapped in blame.
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09-06-2006 07:10
Excellent drama - repetitive storyline passed between the same tired players who mutter their lines with a pretense at enthusiasm. Having no other venue, and apparently no other voice than their dull echoes in a hollow forum, they join their voices to the echoes in a vain attempt to be heard - resulting in a muted cacaphony of slowly silenced noise.

*GRIN* I LOVE prose!!!
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09-06-2006 22:01
From: LewisBlack Moore
Excellent drama - repetitive storyline passed between the same tired players who mutter their lines with a pretense at enthusiasm. Having no other venue, and apparently no other voice than their dull echoes in a hollow forum, they join their voices to the echoes in a vain attempt to be heard - resulting in a muted cacaphony of slowly silenced noise.

*GRIN* I LOVE prose!!!
Your repeated use of "voices" and "echoes" failed as a rhetorical device and your oxymoronic constructions ("muted cacophony" and "slowly silenced noise";) were awkward and lacked parallelism. Adding in a banal passive-aggressive attack on regular posters and you have prose only an author could love. Sorry.
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09-06-2006 22:21
Honestly... the more I read the blog, the more I go "are they on crack over there in LL?"

Maybe the blog was a bad idea. The humor and word play is just not translating to the blog format. It just isn't. sorry.

BTW, I want my missing inventory items back please.

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09-06-2006 22:37
oh one more thing.

I want a Free Torley t-shirt.

This Torley has nothing to do with the Torley I met a long time ago. Something got lost in translation from free range Torley to Corporate Torley.

Troy
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09-07-2006 12:53
From: Uma Bauhaus
Your repeated use of "voices" and "echoes" failed as a rhetorical device and your oxymoronic constructions ("muted cacophony" and "slowly silenced noise";) were awkward and lacked parallelism. Adding in a banal passive-aggressive attack on regular posters and you have prose only an author could love. Sorry.


"Voices" used only once - "voice" singular used only once. "Muted cacaphony" is a juxtaposition, not an oxymoron. "slowly silenced noise" simply isn't an oxymoron.

No parallelism was sought or needed. Your allusion to a "banal passive-aggressive attack on regular posters" is presumptuous of any sort of care regarding the forums' existence, of which there is none, beyond a sort of low scatalogical humor - on the order of watching someone else's infant flinging poo.

The sort of pathetic attempt this represents at what must be presumed to pass for wit or creative criticism is distressingly familiar among your stream of offering in these forums - so I offer my faint praise for consistency.

Sorry indeed.




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