Governor Linden slanders my business

I tried to find Govenor Linden's article - did they delete it?

*raises hand* Like I said before it only states the truth. If someone came into Nexus Prime and denounced it for being big and confusing and put that on infonet because of it, it'd be absolutely true. I wouldn't give a damn, it'd be nice publicity.




I like how you use the word "slam" in this. If that article was a "slam" against Anshe's business, then I gotta say that I need to re-evaluate my vocabulary. Last time I checked a vague mention, without naming names or even using the place's name in it's article about the general topic of over-zealous advertising making 100% true examples via a few landmarks and photographs wouldn't constitute as a "slam". I'd call it a reasonably argued and moderate discussive article. Not really even suited for a name like "second hell tourbus" of a section. More gripes with the SL community and greedy business tactics.



So where were you when they redesigned the WA using a resident and not a Linden? You didn't seem to be all up in arms then. Or is it only when Anshe is in a huff that you throw in arms?



Ditto.



If you haven't noticed, LL likes to keep their involvement in the community to a minimum. The WA is resident built, the infohubs are using resident technology, they keep out of resident quarrels unless totally necessary, and they even encouraged residents to make commercials, attractions, and other such things to advertise SL publically with.

Did they pick the person who built the WA because they're "feted"? Or because they're just a damn good builder? Did the winner of the game competition win because he knew lindens personally? Or because of his game is fun? Did Infonet get into the main slot of infohubs because Squagmire has "got da hook-ups"? Or maybe because it's the only piece of computer-esque visual browsing and information sharing technology available at the moment, and LL just happened to be looking for something like that for their idea of informational hubs of SL instead of telehubs?

Which came first? The FIC or the Talent? That's what all these conspiracy theorists confuse, maybe it's not that the "FIC" is "feted" because they're just special because they know lindens, but maybe it's because they proved themselves to be talented, creative, and progressive?

LL wants to push that it's a residential created world, logically they choose the most creative, most talented, and most progressive people to showcase SL via their products, LL isn't going to step in and make everything for us when they have plenty of talented scripters, builders, and pre-existing projects out there already to use which coincides with their original goal in the first place.

Think about it.

I think they REALLY need to change the wording on the machine. Instead of having "LINDEN this" and "LINDEN that" and a little "infonet" down in the corner, have the machine be "INFONET this" and "INFONET that", with "Linden news" as just one section, and a little "sponsored by linden labs" down in the corner.

Because the presentation REALLY makes them look WAY more oifficial than they actually are.

True.

I can't agree with you more Coco

the simple facts are
this is linden land and linden owned information outlet
and in no way should Linden labs allow this type of information to be given out on public land

this type of information would not be allowed on public land in the real world and should not be allowed here.
even with all the disclaimers just the fact that this information is being given out by a linden owned device and on linden owned land makes it seem as though linden labs is sponsoring this information.

and i will say again the only problem here is the PERCEPTION that this negative information is being sponsored by linden labs.

Only when Anshe gets in a huff? Anshe hasn't got a thing to do with it. You miss the point entirely if you think she is the issue here.

Not only is she not the issue, none of the businesses slammed - yes, their work was slammed; if calling it "hell" isn't a slam, I don't know what is - is the issue. Whether or not you or I agree with the evaluations in that material (i.e., you consider it "truth" is not the issue. In fact, nothing that Infonet wants to put on their service or not put on their service is the issue whatsoever.

The fact that those slams exist just make this entire situation - ludicrous from the get-go - just that much more obviously untenable.

If the Lindens wanted some of us to make them a machine that will deliver their info (all 3-4 messages of it), then they could have asked for submissions or bids for same.

And while they were at it, they could have specified that the machine NOT contain other material - no editorializing, no selling ads for profit, no working out one's personal issues with other businesses on the Linden dime on the Linden sign on Linden land with exclusive permissions to do so. Nothing purporting to be the central machine for Linden information should provide anything but that information - and the name of the maker of the machine.

Asking for submissions of such machines would be "letting us build our world." This is, "letting one business have prominence and sanction on public lands."

If you want to read articles - reasonably argued and moderate discussive or otherwise - then you can mosey on over to the Newspapers sandwichboard and have a selection there from which to choose. Infonet could put a link to themselves there as well.

You should NOT be exposed to any articles of any nature by one business when you are attempting to access Linden information.

The fact that this business uses this pulpit to put forth their own feelings about which business are worthy and which are not is OUTRAGEOUS.

That fact, however, should not detract from the fact that the Lindens shouldn't be using another business to put forth their messages and allowing that other business to put forth their OWN private messages in the same space on public lands in the first place. It is unconscionable, and unnecessary to boot.

coco

Whoa wait, bids on what info goes on infonet? You know how horrible that would be?

Name of thread : Governor Linden slanders my business...

..which is rather ironic - because its not Govenor Lindens article - and its not slander (or even libel really but thats a diff issue)

But by saying that Govenor Linden is 'slandering' her biz - she is actually casting false and disparaging remarks about 'Govenor Linden' - dare I say libelous?

All fun n games for the forum tards and drama queens though - I'm amazed its not been closed.

As for me I'll save my dime and call someone who gives a fuck.

Have you looked at Warmouth to see if it might need to be updated? It's not libel if it's true.

Okay since you continue to use words like "slam" and such it shows that your opinion on the subject is overriding the facts of the subject (i.e. Anshe is barely mentioned nor anyone else for 100% true sleezy business practices, in the "Hell" moniker title it mentions "conartists" which would define sleezy business tactics). It's not "slamming" a "business" it's "slamming" a business PRACTICE. You don't seem to understand that. So i'm dropping that entirely. I've said all there needs to be said about it.

On the subject of Infonet being there, maybe it was too quick for LL to decide to subscribe to the Infonet service instead of holding a contest, but that doesn't mean that Infonet is there forever and ever.

Pathfinder's pre-1.8 Infonet thread

"InfoNet is managed by an in-world company run by Squagmire Stravinsky, and we are using the service as a customer. We are always looking for new and more efficient ways to distribute important Linden news and information in-world, so please feel free to contact me if you have any in-world news and publication services that might help us achieve this goal. Thanks!"

I think LL has had a dogma about these creation contests because all of them have gone so bad. The game developers one took months and months to do and resulted in lots of complaints and extra work for LL to moderate it and only ended up with like 3 finished games out of some odd 10-15 participants. The Commercial contest as far as I know has gone nowhere in the months that it's been up and I haven't really heard much about that since it got announced. Most likely they saw this working system there decided it'd be so much easier and wouldn't push the release of 1.8 back by running a 3 month long contest and just put it in there thinking that if any resident wanted they could make a better one.

Lastly, I think one of your problems which is making this thing seem 10x worse to you is that you're thinking the only messages on there right now is Infonet people only. But if you wanted you could get a post on there talking about how Anshe's malls are the best or whatever. It all just runs through the infonet people, the infonet people just offer the service they don't make the articles.

My Slam-o-meter has been so calibrated by such relentless, pointless bashes and lies that you would need to stab me in the eye with a spork for me to even notice now.

You've been hanging with Catherine too much. She stabbed me in the eye with a fork only last week. She didn't tell me which though. Can you ask her for me?

When I saw that Torley's home was just a dumpster to sleep in, it opened my eyes to Midnight City. It's a big city that chews up and spits young people out.

No? Back to off-topic? ok...

Slander not another business lest your business be slandered.

As I've mentioned previously in other posts, we are removing the Tourbus section from our network.

The Tourbus was a section published on our network by a 3rd party who is no longer a resident, and is no longer available for contact. In fact, there is a disclaimer at the bottom of the Tourbus postings that indicates this very thing.

"Disclaimer: InfoNet Systems is not responsible for articles relating to the Second Hell Tourbus as they are controlled by a third party publishing group. As a result, InfoNet Systems is un-able to answer any queries relating to the Second Hell Tourbus. For compliments, queries and complaints, please use the notecard letter dropbox at..."

On a side note, our Directory section is also changing. The TopList section, which was generated by our staff of Explorers, is no longer being updated, and will soon be removed as well. This leaves the pay-for-listing service which... is made to be affordable so that ANYONE may get listed, not just the wealthy business owner. I'm not aware of any real world major newspaper that gives away free ads, but perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong. If anything we could choose to raise the rates because we're now grid-wide, but... we won't do that for the very reason I just stated. In my personal opinion, I don't feel it's much of a public service if only the wealthy can afford to get listed.

In addition, if anyone has an article they'd like to submit to the FreePress section, I do accept freelance work. I also have some job openings for Reporters. I accept press releases regarding any number of possible events in SL. Fashion shows, tournaments, competitions, trade shows, grand openings, and that's just to name a few. Write a notecard, drop it over, and I'll work with you. From anyone... at no charge... with no "favoritism"... and with total cooperation.

As always... feel free to IM me. I'll be happy to answer any questions, or address any further concerns.

Venya Salome
Manager
infoNet FreePress

I just might take you up on that article deal, Venya. Is there some technical reason why the Tourbus hasn't been removed yet?

Not that that matters much to me, because as you know, I don't think any privileged individual's business should be under something called "Linden Information."

coco

Venya, which section is this and what is the objection to it?

IM me anytime.




Yes, there is, but I'm staying on top of it until the situation is resolved.




Our Directory section is divided into 3 sub-sections. A business directory, an infoNet directory, and the Toplist Spotlight. The business directory is our pay-listed section.

The infoNet directory is a listing of groups that have contacted us for space on the network. For example, we have an infoNet site set up for the Relay for Life function. Some may recall the screens that were located around the Relay track.

The Toplist Spotlight seems to be the one raising the most concern. This section was generated by a staff of Explorers that we hired to seek out locations in SL of interest. This listing was meant to highlight the new, unusual, innovative, artistic, etc areas of SL.

Just because you made it to this particular section didn't mean you were "better" than anyone, or a "friend of the infoNet group" but only that a particular Explorer felt the location was noteworthy. Listings here were at no charge to the owner, and permission was always asked of the owner before listing to make sure we didn't send visitors to areas where the owner wanted some privacy.

I hope that answers your question, Margaret.

Venya Salome
Manager
infoNet FreePress

Thanks, Venya. I was afraid that's the section you meant but didn't want to jump to any conclusion or maybe I was just hoping I was wrong. I'm really sorry to hear this. It is my recollection that the intent of this section was to bring attention to lesser known, interesting places in SL. The kind of places that have a hard time getting noticed without moneyballs, camping chairs, and multiple event listings. I guess that intent got waylaid in order to ward off cries of favortism. Oh well. I suppose this means that the Explorers got pink slipped, too. I read the advertisement for that job in the Classifieds and thought it was a pretty cool opportunity for the less technical, more socially inclined new residents. Maybe instead of a pink slip you can give them a pink pillow upon which to sit in camping chairs.

So if I camp out in an infohub and talk to people and say things you don't like, I should be banned?

I can pick up the local independent newspaper on public streets, even in front of the Post Office. Some POs even have an area set aside for the RL equivalents of this machine.

The problem is not that it is on public land. The problem is that it looks official.

This was my understanding also.

I like the thought of the infonet and think it will help the sl economy, time will tell.

We're sad to see it go as well, but for various options we decided to drop the section.

Our Explorer staff members were offered the opportunity to join the FreePress Reporter staff if they chose to remain with infoNet. Some stayed, and some chose to leave.