Governor Linden slanders my business

Here's a dumb question.

What's the difference between InfoNet's information/slander/articles/posts and the information/slander/articles/posts you find on these very forums?

Both are "governed" by the Lindens. Both are free for any resident to add to. Both foster communications.

Should I demand an apology by the Lindens because a fellow resident doesn't like me?

It doesn't make any sense.

Someone enlighten me.

haha great point LF XD

Most people don't read the forums, most will look at the "IH" system.

I don't really think people are going to bother looking at the infohubs, especially now that you don't HAVE to go there. Most people are just going to use P2P to frequent the clubs as they always did and ignore everything else that goes on in SL.

good point artemis. i agree, infonet at these locations is pointless. LL should actually put something there that people will want to visit.

Infonet is still a good idea really, because the people who are forum visitors and interested in SL info would visit it.

The only thing that would get most people visiting those places would be like a tringo board or a bunch of sex equipment or an ugly laggy club or something.

I will try.

If the Infohubs were like the forums - and every last one of us could, if we wanted, put our own articles and best/worst lists and whatnot there - with equal visibility - it would be different.

coco

No, then it would be the same. Exactly the same as the forums.

He was just pointing out that people were ticked off cause LL was sponsering this but saying that LL sponsers the boards too.



Yeah, and he doesn't even mention Anshe's name in it or the name of the mall. There's just a picture and a lm of it at the bottom as an example of a large and obtrusive build around a telehub. Which was totally true and not libel.

Just replace the telehubs (err infohubs) with Impeach Bush signs because we'll NEVER come to an agreement without someone being unhappy.

Exactly. LL has dealt with those kinds of situations before and they know that they can't please everyone. They just don't do anything and eventually people forget about it and go back to their daily business.

Nice try at launch yet another stupid Anshe rumor. But 1) many of my malls predate Dreamland 2) the only "teletrap" is two story buildings that I got when I bought out one competitor and that I kept because people were already renting there 3) most my malls are neither laggy nor ugly 4) last 7 days alone our team completely forested and landscaped 10 full mainland sims 5) my telehub malls are result of me systematically move rental business from residential/random sims to the telehubs. I bought out malls in residential sims, close them down and have the merchants move to the new hub mall.

I actively worked on the zoning on mainland, systematically focused all my commercial thing near the hubs and far from the residential homes. But now that the traffic pattern destroyed and P2P arrive I feel the paramount pressure to do something that for 1 1/2 years I avoided: install one billboard network across normal sims

They are both Linden sponsored, we agree on that.

Well, let's say they put up a forum called "Linden Information" on the forums, and they ran it through Coco. Coco got to write her own editorials. They would say, "We aren't responsible for the other stuff in this forum."

Nonetheless, right there in the "Linden Information" forum, along with the threads about Linden doings, were the Coco threads. Including, for instance, Coco's list of "Posters Who Are Worth Reading" and "Tourbus from Hell Posters".

That is the analogy. (Plus, you'd have to pay Coco if you wanted to put in threads of your own.)

coco

I see your point.

Although i'd have to modify that a bit. Linden's put up linden information, then have in that two sections, linden information then residential information. Then in the residential information there'd be a section where anyone could post if they wanted to go through the proper channels and post a well written subjective (editorial) or objective (news story), and pass it through monitors and public scrutiny to make sure the facts were all correct and that it was all opinion (As in with the Dione case where they took that article off).

Pretty much took that straight from all the Infonet's workings and menus.

Then I know I wouldn't mind.

There is no one person behind the Governor. It's a root account that any employee might be logged into at any time. Oh and he's a she.

Guv'na Linden made Tiny Tim lame, kicked my dogs balls and made the baby Jesus cry!

Oh Teh Noes

Anshe, overreacting *gasp* never! that would never happend. [/end sarcasm]

I think the key here alot of you forget is..

A) In the end, everything belongs to the Linden and that company, you agree to such when you sign the user agreement. They could, at any time, end any account without reason, that includes yours Anshe.

B)We are talking about one TINY thing, and as usual, Anshe not only goes nuts over it, but becomes the queen of drama as normal. Perhaps if Anshe would stop tyring to be the center of attention, and stop playing the EMO card every time something happens. Most of us might have some modicum of respect.

Oh Snap! talk about adding insult to injury here LL. Hugz Anshe.

Wow just wow I'm at a loss here as to why LL would allow this. It has to be against the tos or the cs doesn't it.

Thats just wrong.

PS: I beleive if its sitting on LL land they they are ultimatly responcible for what ever is on that land. No ifs ands or buts.

Apparenlty its not "community land" as it is being used for a personal agenda against one of the customers of LL.

LL can say they are not responcible but lets all watch how far that excuse flys. By looking the other way the infonet systems owners can publish ANYTHING. Hate speach, racial slurs, womens rights issues... would LL then step in and say something? According to their stance on this; apparently not.

IMO if it is on LL land it should only be used for community projects that benift the community and does no harm to any customer of LL.

This has been on infonet for ages. Put something of your own on infonet to counter it.

Info-net is supposed to be an in-world internet. And this kind of stuff is what helps make it as such.

And Governor Linden did not slander you, Anshe. That's nonsense.

How much do you know about the infonet anyway?

Problem is, Artemis, this is in the WELCOME AREA not just hubs. New players first few experiences in world are going to include the experience of seeing players libel one another. Nice pleasant introduction, eh? I don't think so.

Keep in mind that GNAT (who lays claim to the ethos of being a RL Business) has already misled us in several respects. One of those was when it was implied that no GNAT person was making the news (a lie as they are planning tourbus from hell for creators with a section that arbitrarily compares products of designers and slams them). ALSO you may recall a GNAT representative saying that the idea that they would sell products for personal gain was incorrect. Well, if so, they may want to redesign the card they are handing out to people who are supposed to submit because the information card they are handing out says explicitly:


2) What happens to my products when you are finished with them?
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Once every 2 months, we hold a yard sale and sell off reviewed items at discount rates. The funds generated are donated to non-profit SL institutions and/or groups that best help serve the community (schools/support groups). (note: non-transferable items are discarded after review)

It is true that they aren't going to help InfoNet directly, but it is also clear that they didn't specify that this was to be for a very small amount of the products they received, unless they anticipated getting the bulk of products as non-transferrable. AND if they were getting the products as non-transferrable, wouldn't that mean that a product would be getting only one judge then? One person tries your product, and without paying attention to price, how long you had been making it, overall value, customer service, etc, that person is free to slam your product in the Welcome Area? Umm.... what about this is good?

Also, the person they had approached, having made a men's shirt for the first time and selling them for $20 each, was to be compared with all other makers of shirts and tees (some who had been doing it for 2 or more years presumably). This person, in a notecard that had been personalized to address him, was told "We are currently performing a public product review of Tee's and shirts, of which you are a key designer."

A key designer? After having made one of them? Isn't that rather like flattering someone then sucker punching him? When the person in question responded to say I think you have the wrong fellow, I've only made one shirt ever, the person taking entries said that the panel of judges was still very interested in new makers because sometimes old designers get lazy. The person made 5 or 6 arguments about why the new designer should put his work up to scrutiny (his first one) against people who had been designing for years and should trust this arbitrarily chosen panel of unbiast [s.i.c.] judges. This whole thing stinks like rotten meat.

What nonsense people want to publish in their own rags (and I notice that Walker isn't running anything on this in Second Life Herald; I hope he isn't playing favourites here) is their own business. BUT if someone is libelling other players, that publisher should be named. Additionally, it has no business at the Welcome Area. Finally, product reviews should be done by a panel of people with no interest in the outcomes. If I made autobusses, for example, and I were anonymously rating autobusses for an anonymous publisher of make-news, I might well rate my own autobusses at the top of the list, my friends in 2nd place, and call my competition's autobusses "hellish." And what's to stop me? Well irl, government, laws, and community sanction. In SL? I might get to continue anonymously bashing people I don't like and promoting my self interests AND be Linden sponsored to do so! THAT'S the problem.

This is a neat idea. I wish they would do this right here in the forums so we could tell the actual Linden information from all the other stuff posted here. I'm always getting confused when reading about who's winning the forums, whose products are the best and who is the most famous. I am always thinking "I can't believe LL advocates that so and so is the most famous and that so and so's posts are inane and lacking in the intelligence that a tree stump would post with". I wish they would have a whole separate website for resident posts so we could be sure what comments LL sanctions and what comments are just resident editorials. I guess I can just go to slex or whatever and then I won't get confused.

I see it more like this:

Linden Lab links to fan sites from the Official Second Life website, these sites are clearly listed as Fan Sites; their content seems to be only vaguely policed:

"To be listed on this page, the site should meet basic website quality standards, and should be updated regularly."

[sarcasm]

If Linden Lab links to it, aren't they supporting it? I mean Secondlife.com is obviously run by Linden, and I can get official Linden news through it, what do I do if Linden links to something I find offensive? I mean, they haven't even warned me that I might be offended, and that the following views are not their own!

[/sarcasm]

What if someone wanted to publish Linden news on a listed fan site, or someone wanted to keep their site updated with the latest patch information? I could then get the latest Linden news from their opinionated site; they could even put a "Worst of SL" link right next to the news! They could even charge people to put up editorials, or restrict editorial posting to only them.

An Infonet/Forum analogy doesn't fit right to me, but an Infonet/Fansite analogy does.

However I don’t see anyone complaining about Linden’s allowing link space and use of the official Fan Site page to individuals they choose. Lindens have already mentioned that other forms of user advertising and news spreading are being considered for Infohubs, Infonet as a company was just ahead of the game by having a product that fit.

Infonet, as far as I can tell provides a space for others to “post on their page” so to speak, without necessarily agreeing to endorse the content. Linden Lab provides a visible “fansite link” to Infonet by placing them in the hubspace. Linden Lab’s choice is fueled by the fact that Infonet happens to “link” to Linden provided news updates.

Or am I missing something completely?

This is the rationale I've seen LL use in regards to InfoNet.