How does roam.wetikon.com get its data?
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Moopf Murray
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12-03-2005 11:52
From: Hank Ramos Maybe there are Roam scanners running throughout the world gathering this information? Would explain the periodic lag you experience in a sim, right on schedule. Yes of course Hank, of course It's amazing how a competitor can hint at nefarious means, isn't it, without actually accusing, more just a kind of 'maybe, who knows'. And suggest they're lagging everybody, that'll get the hackles of Joe Public up, for sure!!
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Hank Ramos
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12-03-2005 11:54
From: Moopf Murray Yes of course Hank, of course It's amazing how a competitor can hint at nefarious means, isn't it, without actually accusing, more just a kind of 'maybe, who knows'. And suggest they're lagging everybody, that'll get the hackles of Joe Public up, for sure!! I don't make money, it's open source. I don't have a searchable, Google-Search. There is no way they could gather data without automation, or hiring lots of people to roam every inch of the world to achieve this.
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Moopf Murray
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12-03-2005 11:58
From: Hank Ramos I don't make money, it's open source. I don't have a searchable, Google-Search. There is no way they could gather data without automation, or hiring lots of people to roam every inch of the world to achieve this. I thought you'd closed the scripts down recently, so they couldn't be seen? As for how they get their data, I remember when I used ROAM ages ago you submitted landmarks yourself with your own descriptions. You could opt whether they were public or private. So maybe it's nothing more than that? No, suggesting lag from autonomous roving monsters is much better 
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Cristiano Midnight
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12-03-2005 11:58
From: Cocoanut Koala I have never sent any pix to Snapzilla, yet I'm on the ROAM/wetikon thing. coco Why are you sucking my site into this?
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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12-03-2005 12:01
From: Cocoanut Koala I have never sent any pix to Snapzilla, yet I'm on the ROAM/wetikon thing. coco Hi Coco, I put "Cocoanut" in the roam search field and the result was From: someone Coco's Cottages Country, Contemporary, and Critter Cottages Owned by Cocoanut Koala Rosieri (200, 20  - 4,096 sq. m. - Oct 28, 2005 - Details - Snapshots Was there more that you found? You can click on the word snapshots and see some of the snapshots people gave that had cocoanut in their text. One of the commands available in Linden Scripting Language is "key llGetLandOwnerAt(vector pos)" which can be stuck in a loop and fed a set of vectors that will return the landowner's key at each location. This is one method that might be used as a start for compiling information such as used in the ROAM search. The dataserver event can be used to convert avatar keys to names, the call for that is "key llRequestAgentData(key id, integer data)" which takes an avatar key and returns (in the clunky data server event ) either their name, date born (SL start date) , or their rating. For sales of Coco's Cottages I would think this would be great, someone who enters "cottages" in as a search term is greeted with Coco's Cottages at the very top of the list, and clicking on it starts SL and at present starts one at the nearest telehub with the map up and the beacon set to Coco's Cottages. Once P2P gets implemented I imagine it would take you directly to the coordinates of the Coco's Cottages sales offices, where hopefully an employee would be waiting or a scripted object would alllow the customer to ask questions. I didn't mean to imply that SLuniverse was the only source for this info in the ROAM databases, I just seemed to have a memory that the sharing of data was knowledge already made public.
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Cocoanut Koala
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12-03-2005 12:11
From: Cristiano Midnight Why are you sucking my site into this? I am doing NO SUCH THING OF THE KIND. I was responding to an earlier post: "I figured the ROAM data had to come from Snapzilla, and here is a link to the sluniverse.com site with the info: Snapzilla and ROAM integration I hope it works out with P2P, we should be able to teleport directly to a SLurl from a website hyperSLink." coco
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Cocoanut Koala
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12-03-2005 12:13
From: SuezanneC Baskerville Hi Coco, I put "Cocoanut" in the roam search field and the result was Was there more that you found? You can click on the word snapshots and see some of the snapshots people gave that had cocoanut in their text. One of the commands available in Linden Scripting Language is "key llGetLandOwnerAt(vector pos)" which can be stuck in a loop and fed a set of vectors that will return the landowner's key at each location. This is one method that might be used as a start for compiling information such as used in the ROAM search. The dataserver event can be used to convert avatar keys to names, the call for that is "key llRequestAgentData(key id, integer data)" which takes an avatar key and returns (in the clunky data server event ) either their name, date born (SL start date) , or their rating. For sales of Coco's Cottages I would think this would be great, someone who enters "cottages" in as a search term is greeted with Coco's Cottages at the very top of the list, and clicking on it starts SL and at present starts one at the nearest telehub with the map up and the beacon set to Coco's Cottages. Once P2P gets implemented I imagine it would take you directly to the coordinates of the Coco's Cottages sales offices, where hopefully an employee would be waiting or a scripted object would alllow the customer to ask questions. That was all I found. But I didn't see any snapshots or details when I clicked on that. And yes, I agree this should be great for my business, however it works, with P2P or without P2P, or whatever other stuff I don't understand. coco P.S. But this makes me think - the thing doesn't know where I live, only where my shop is. This might be a GOOD thing, if it prevented, say, griefers from finding me, right?
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Weedy Herbst
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12-03-2005 12:20
Spyware on the backpack? If this is the case, I will cancel the account.
I'm not paying 400L/mo to gather data for a third party.
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Hank Ramos
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12-03-2005 12:25
From: Moopf Murray I thought you'd closed the scripts down recently, so they couldn't be seen? As for how they get their data, I remember when I used ROAM ages ago you submitted landmarks yourself with your own descriptions. You could opt whether they were public or private. So maybe it's nothing more than that? No, suggesting lag from autonomous roving monsters is much better  I took the scripts off the website because people kept saying it was some kind of trojan, which is just FUD. It's still available if you ask me, or from many places inside of SL. Nahh, I found a 16sqm plot of land that I own, hidden away in a far off sim, that isn't available under the LL FIND button. I doubt someone would have landmarked that site and submitted a review about it.
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Cristiano Midnight
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12-03-2005 12:35
From: SuezanneC Baskerville I figured the ROAM data had to come from Snapzilla, and here is a link to the sluniverse.com site with the info: Snapzilla and ROAM integration I hope it works out with P2P, we should be able to teleport directly to a SLurl from a website hyperSLink. The location information in Snapzilla comes from postcards - if you send a postcard, it contains a hyperlink to the location it was sent from. I have no idea how Wetikon gathers the data for their site, but the way that the integration is done between their site and Snapzilla is really simple. The link from ROAM contains the starting and ending coordinates of a plot of land in their database, and the search results on Snapzilla show pictures that fall into that location range. The link from Snapzilla to ROAM passes a particular location, and ROAM displays any plots of land that are near that location in their database. There is no information being shared between the two sites. The links are just a way to make the information on both sites more useful.
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12-03-2005 12:37
From: Cocoanut Koala I am doing NO SUCH THING OF THE KIND. I was responding to an earlier post: "I figured the ROAM data had to come from Snapzilla, and here is a link to the sluniverse.com site with the info: Snapzilla and ROAM integration I hope it works out with P2P, we should be able to teleport directly to a SLurl from a website hyperSLink." coco Sorry, I missed Suzanne's post.
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12-03-2005 12:39
From: Hank Ramos I took the scripts off the website because people kept saying it was some kind of trojan, which is just FUD. It's still available if you ask me, or from many places inside of SL.
Nahh, I found a 16sqm plot of land that I own, hidden away in a far off sim, that isn't available under the LL FIND button. I doubt someone would have landmarked that site and submitted a review about it. So let me get this straight - someone claiming your script is a trojan is FUD, but you making claims that they are using some kind of grid wide lag inducing scanners isn't FUD?
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Moopf Murray
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12-03-2005 12:41
From: Cristiano Midnight So let me get this straight - someone claiming your script is a trojan is FUD, but you making claims that they are using some kind of grid wide lag inducing scanners isn't FUD? Kind of a paradox, isn't it.
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12-03-2005 12:43
First, I need to bad mouth blakofy. Don't let his "innocent" question deride and dismiss the innovation behind ROAM.
Second, I'm pretty sure landsale info can be gleaned from the SL website. I'm not 100% certain, but I was digging through their new map's HTML, JavaScript, etc. yesterday, and I was surpised at the kind of data they provide -- images of action land, number of people online, etc.
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Moopf Murray
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12-03-2005 12:45
From: Hank Ramos I took the scripts off the website because people kept saying it was some kind of trojan, which is just FUD. It's still available if you ask me, or from many places inside of SL. Nahh, I found a 16sqm plot of land that I own, hidden away in a far off sim, that isn't available under the LL FIND button. I doubt someone would have landmarked that site and submitted a review about it. Interesting. I have a copy of your PTP Teleporter that I've just purchased for L$1 and it's definitely not open-source. I'll take you up on your offer though, please drop the open-source version of this teleporter I've just purchased on me, if you'd be so kind.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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12-03-2005 12:50
Here's an exchange from a while back that might have some bearing on the topic. Post from early ROAM thread From: Reitsuki Kojima Forgive me for asking the perverbial million-dollar question, particularly before one of the usuals does...
And please don't take this as suggestion of wrong-doing, I trust Fran alot...
But would it be possible to get any sort of public policy notice with regards to the information gained from ROAM? Obviously you would basicly have a list of everywhere I went via the ROAM system, and it would be easy to make it send an update on position every once and a while (Regardless of if you do or not)... So is there any sort of policy on retention of records of travel, privacy, etc? I'd rather not pay for the privledge of being tracked for marketing purposes for other companies, for example.
I looked in the included documentation, and if such a policy exists, I missed it.
From: Francis Chung You know, I never thought of that Right now, we don't record anything but the bare minimum information to manage billing and debugging. If there's demand for it maybe we can put together some formal EULA somethingsomething.
But it's not my style. I've always preferred taking someone's word over a written contract, but that's just me. Right now, I have absolutely no interest in selling/giving out your personal information. I don't much care where you go or who you see, if it's not my business to know.
Rathe and I will discuss this. Probably before official release, but not right now. Right now, we're working on making it work better.
I ask that people please try to be cordial in their responses to each other, there is no reason to do otherwise.
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Hank Ramos
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12-03-2005 12:51
From: Moopf Murray Interesting. I have a copy of your PTP Teleporter that I've just purchased for L$1 and it's definitely not open-source. I'll take you up on your offer though, please drop the open-source version of this teleporter I've just purchased on me, if you'd be so kind. Not a problem! Next time I'm inworld, it's all yours or just look around inside SL, it's at several places (even being sold I hear, without my permission). I've been doing new work that won't be open-source, but I will give you the open-source version which is the same without the new HUD bits.
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