Forgive me for asking the perverbial million-dollar question, particularly before one of the usuals does...
And please don't take this as suggestion of wrong-doing, I trust Fran alot...
But would it be possible to get any sort of public policy notice with regards to the information gained from ROAM? Obviously you would basicly have a list of everywhere I went via the ROAM system, and it would be easy to make it send an update on position every once and a while (Regardless of if you do or not)... So is there any sort of policy on retention of records of travel, privacy, etc? I'd rather not pay for the privledge of being tracked for marketing purposes for other companies, for example.
I looked in the included documentation, and if such a policy exists, I missed it.
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Francis Chung
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06-16-2005 05:22
Setting the record straight! Regarding my earlier comments about ROAM dropping out on certain sim borders - I took Francis' advice on setting the max bandwidth to 50 and had a horrible evening of lag and poor response. I then took the other approach and set it to 1000, everything speeded up and I have now extensively tested and got excellent results with only one dropout (at a new location) out of 20 or so 'jumps', but no other problems except general unresponsiveness to input in a fairly laggy sim, which is not unexpected. This device IS able to get me from anywhere I have tried to my land in Tompson, which is more than normal TP plus flight cando! OMG!  It makes me so happy that you decided it was something useful to you! You obviously take a lot of consideration in your purchases, and I'm glad that you find merit in our work!But even more mind-boggling to me is that setting your sliders to 1000 will actually improve your experience. This is completely opposite to what we've experienced and counter-intuitive! I will talk to other UKers and ask them to try your trick. Thanks! PS. IM me the bookmark in question, I'll take a look. One thing that ROAM is not particularly good at is making you travel through walls and floors. It can do it sometimes, I just wouldn't recommend it. Best to put your landmarks outdoors :] _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
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06-16-2005 05:32
So far none of my trips that actually took off have failed. The biggest frustration for me has been that probably 50% of the time, after typing /roam name, it says it is locating the destination, and then nothing else happens. I imagine this is SL's screwy communicaiton subsystem's fault - it would be nice to at least get some feedback that the search failed. The same thing happens to be repeatedly with bookmarks - 9 times out of 10, when saving a bookmark, I get no response. Otherwise, it has performed flawlessly for me - I have gone from Mavericks to Columbia, from Sistiana to Meribel, and several other long distance trips, with no problems at all, once it would respond.
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Francis Chung
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Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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06-16-2005 05:33
Forgive me for asking the perverbial million-dollar question, particularly before one of the usuals does... And please don't take this as suggestion of wrong-doing, I trust Fran alot... But would it be possible to get any sort of public policy notice with regards to the information gained from ROAM? Obviously you would basicly have a list of everywhere I went via the ROAM system, and it would be easy to make it send an update on position every once and a while (Regardless of if you do or not)... So is there any sort of policy on retention of records of travel, privacy, etc? I'd rather not pay for the privledge of being tracked for marketing purposes for other companies, for example. I looked in the included documentation, and if such a policy exists, I missed it. You know, I never thought of that Right now, we don't record anything but the bare minimum information to manage billing and debugging. If there's demand for it maybe we can put together some formal EULA somethingsomething.But it's not my style. I've always preferred taking someone's word over a written contract, but that's just me. Right now, I have absolutely no interest in selling/giving out your personal information. I don't much care where you go or who you see, if it's not my business to know. Rathe and I will discuss this. Probably before official release, but not right now. Right now, we're working on making it work better. EDIT: Oh, and Cristiano, We're working on it. We're working really really hard on it. This is priority #1 at the moment. The problem appears to be LL's email servers. With the volume of email we're pushing, sometimes LL's mailserver seems to be just randomly discarding emails. It sometimes won't even answer SYN request from our mailhost, even though it will accept it from others. No packet loss on the route to the mailhost either. If any Lindens are reading, please please contact Rathe or me (Preferably Rathe) about the mailserver. We want to know how better to work with SL's mailsystem. _____________________
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Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
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06-16-2005 05:38
So far none of my trips that actually took off have failed. The biggest frustration for me has been that probably 50% of the time, after typing /roam name, it says it is locating the destination, and then nothing else happens. I imagine this is SL's screwy communicaiton subsystem's fault - it would be nice to at least get some feedback that the search failed. The same thing happens to be repeatedly with bookmarks - 9 times out of 10, when saving a bookmark, I get no response. Otherwise, it has performed flawlessly for me - I have gone from Mavericks to Columbia, from Sistiana to Meribel, and several other long distance trips, with no problems at all, once it would respond. I've found this too, and it must be aggravating to not have more control over the mailsystem -- it seems to have been happening with more regularity during the time approaching and after the update. Also, sometimes I get no response at all but several HOURS later, inexplicably, I will get messages in my email inbox saying that my ROAM to so-and-so place failed. Well of course it failed, duh... I'm not even logged in! Not sure exactly why it does this but it doesn't seem to be something that Fran and Rathe can wrangle at the moment. More to follow. _____________________
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Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
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06-16-2005 05:40
Okeydoke, one thing: on the PLUS side, it seems ROAMing while flying works better in 1.6.7 than earlier -- not sure why this is but it's been my anecdotal experience. Anyone else find this to be the case as well?
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Doc Nielsen
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06-16-2005 05:52
But even more mind-boggling to me is that setting your sliders to 1000 will actually improve your experience. This is completely opposite to what we've experienced and counter-intuitive! I will talk to other UKers and ask them to try your trick. Thanks! PS. IM me the bookmark in question, I'll take a look. One thing that ROAM is not particularly good at is making you travel through walls and floors. It can do it sometimes, I just wouldn't recommend it. Best to put your landmarks outdoors :] Hmmm, well maybe the fact that all the LAN except the router, which is 100 Mb, is on Gigabit Ethernet has something to do with it? Plus the PC in question has Intel Gigabit Ethernet on board rather than as an add on card? Whatever, as I say, 50, last night produced terminal lag, so much so that I was forced to reset my gfx to minimal performance just to move and type reasonably. Normally I use 500. Setting to 1000 this morning produced much better results as well as a definite improvement in drop outs. I'll let you know how it goes. But before you suggest everyone tries it, it may be related to my hardware setup as much as anything. As far as the LM is concerned... How? Is the a list somewhere I've missed? All I did was stood where I wanted the landmark and did 'lm palace' (I think) then 'roam palace' to use it from another location... If there IS a landmark list or management system I've missed, that would be great. Otherwise I can't see how I can IM it to you! |
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Margaret Mfume
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06-16-2005 06:02
Doc, On the night that you posted to the hotline from somewhere under Portage or Thompson, I tried to access Thompson from my land in Portage utilizing the "go here" on the pie chart. Ended up stuck under land as you had; looked around for the tunnel you had dug to get out to no avail. When I logged back in, I was in the sim on the other side of Thompson.
Rathe, is there a means of providing feedback other than this thread or im? I im'd last night wanting to report on some situations where the system failed me. I've been traveling primarily between Portage and Cincta in the Atoll continent utilizing ROAM rather than the teleport home option to test the system. I have made the trip successfully many times but also experienced a number of crashes and situations of no response past the "looking for..." statement. Having given up up hope on any change in SL relative to the telehub system, I bypassed the 3-day trial and went for an annual subscription. Great job on your product, I look forward to its move beyond the beta phase. _____________________
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Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
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06-16-2005 06:48
It's lovely to see you all here. There are a few loose ends I'd like to tie up, please.
-I just ran a brief test, ROAMing to 50 sims. A handful didn't work because of delayed response or none at all. Absolutely none failed with a bad sim crossing (I'm wearing 10 attachments right now, including complex prim hair), and every single one worked when I was in Fly mode. It seems to me there were brief windows of time when things just didn't function. I'm expecting to receive those failed messages in the email later.  -For the ROAMs that didn't work, I'd chalk it up to the wonky SL mailsystem, and as before, I have faith Lindens can do great things to ameliorate it and make it better. It'd be a good thang for them to talk with Fran and Rathe, seeing as how ROAM is now paving the way for "alternative transport" in the future. All of us, joined in here, getting where we want to go. -A fascinating thing is that instead of just discussing on the forums (which they have as well), Rathe Underthorn and Francis Chung have gone ahead over quite a few months's work, mapped this all out (literally too), and given us something simple-to-use and practical. Whether you decide to use it is an individual choice, but at least now there is a practical alternative to those telehubs (SCROO 'EM!!!) and a way to pinpoint locations, not to mention the bonuses like the super Jedi jump mode. -No matter how you represent yourself in SL, unless you're totally intent on staying at home or getting around on foot, ROAM has a universal benefit that transcends any proprietary lowmindness. It's great for clubbers to get to party places, it's fantastic for explorers to nail down one location after another to check out sights, it has obvious benefits for content creators who have multiple stores and need to check on them -- and the usage applications don't end there. Maybe you will have ideas that haven't been brought up yet... if so, YAYZERAMA!!! Please do share, so it can get better for all of us. -Here's one more tip: USE GESTURES. Set up a gesture to automatically type in "/go [insert favorite location here". That will save you even more time, and with the Function keys, you can ROAM to a hotspot in a heartbeat and file your nails or dabble in IMs -- even sort your Inventory while ROAM does all the hard work for your av. For example, I've set up F11 to type "/go WA", which takes me to the Welcome Area. Do your own time trials, even if ROAM is comparatively slower over longer distance, think of the automation factor and take that into consideration. -Margaret brought up an excellent point -- it would be beneficial to have a dedicated ROAM users's group on these SL Forums ( /57/1.html ), if not the official website of ROAM (presumably WetIkon.com), as well as an inworld group. -A fundamental part of my faith in ROAM is because of the rippleshock vibes I get from the creators: I've been good friends with Fran for sometime now and have gotten to know Rathe, but both know I am very critical and picky when it comes to minutiae. However, as technically excellent as any product or service may be, I will not support it if the makers are jerky dumbasses. Fran and Rathe get my seal of approval, wholeheartedly, for being nice people and very competent ones at that. They do not snipe at competitors, nor are they in this for the short-term. They are patience, graceful, established with past reputation, and not only that, have good senses of humor. -A reason why I'm supporting the ROAM initiative is because my dead exquasipet mouse, Miss Jangles, came in a dream and told me to. I kid you not. It sounds crazy, and it is, but it's not insane. I get these crazy dreams when I'm asleep telling me what to do in SL, and when I obey them, things go well. Any good (and I hope there's been good) that I've manifested in here has been a result of it, and I've been striving to explain more about the ineffable forces of rippleshock on my blog. It's been this way since shortly after I've become a Resident, and to say the least, it's been life-affirming (Second Life-affirming!) and spiritual in a technological way. Consider the movie Donnie Darko. -Lately, the dreams have been getting more intense and my efforts to vent them out have grown increasingly futile, which is why, as I alluded to in a previous post, Torley Torgeson, Jr. (aka TorPrime) will be bowing out and effectively leaving SL for awhile. She WILL be back, but I -- we, Torleys of all alternate realities, hehehe -- need time. I will stop in every now and then as TT, but not a lot. I will still be reachable at [email]torley@gmail.com[/email] if anyone needs to contact me. ROAM, with the theme of transportation a metaphor, will be the final act of my voyage in Second Life for now. That is what Miss Jangles has told me, and I'd like to respect her memory. Thank you graciously. This is why I believe. ROAM on!  _____________________
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Siggy Romulus
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06-16-2005 14:27
One was dropped on me the other day to try out, so I'm giving it the 3 day trial whirl.
At a glace it is quite a nifty bit of kit - and I can see how it would of great use to folks with multiple points they go to a lot (such as product updating in stores). One interesting point - when I did a /roam galinas - it put me right inside Little Rebel, facing the mensware pants section! This isn't an undesirable feature mind you - as that was precicely where I wanted to be! Will ROAM make 'central sim land' more valuable? Oh how I lament that a certain forum personality isn't here to debate how this is a vast conspiracy and how the 'scripterati' is backpatting the 'FIC content barons' in thier bid to take over the NSA using their influence within the Boy Scouts ... But still it is an interesting point.For me - personally, well I have only 2 places I *need* to get to... and I rather enjoy running and jumping from rooftop to rooftop across secondlife For me a long journey is a chance to blow off steam, relax, and sight-see. I'm probably the exception to the rule All in all - nice bit of kit, handy fun gadget.. quite cool... but for me is it xxx L$ per month cool? At the moment nope. Time will tell... nice work Rathe and Fran. Siggy. _____________________
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Doc Nielsen
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06-17-2005 03:48
Doc, On the night that you posted to the hotline from somewhere under Portage or Thompson, I tried to access Thompson from my land in Portage utilizing the "go here" on the pie chart. Ended up stuck under land as you had; looked around for the tunnel you had dug to get out to no avail. When I logged back in, I was in the sim on the other side of Thompson. Sorry Margaret - that just didn't happen to you. I have it on the best authority that there are no problems in the areas surrounding Tompson! Any problems you may have encountered are either figments of your imagination, symptoms of some severe psychological problem, or caused by network issues outside SL... Meantime if you ever feel the urge to visit - ROAM Seriously though, it's nice to get further confirmation of the issues, though I can't see it doing much good, it reassures me that I'm not doing something silly or suffering delusions. |
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Minoru Musashi
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06-17-2005 06:04
I tried ROAM last night and love it
The few issues I ran into are expected in a beta test. I did have problems getting the trial to work and ended up paying before I actually had a chance to use it. I'm glad I did! I was ROAMing all night. I'm on the east coast as well and did not have any problems with SIM crossings. I did run into a building here and there at the default height. I'm hopeful that doesn't become a problem down the road. It would be nice to have a no build zone within an altitude range for products like this.Thanks for giving us an opportunity to try it out! _____________________
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Willow Zander
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06-17-2005 06:08
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06-17-2005 06:17
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MrsJakal Suavage
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06-17-2005 07:37
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Margaret Mfume
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06-17-2005 09:24
Sorry Margaret - that just didn't happen to you. I have it on the best authority that there are no problems in the areas surrounding Tompson! Any problems you may have encountered are either figments of your imagination, symptoms of some severe psychological problem, or caused by network issues outside SL... Meantime if you ever feel the urge to visit - ROAM Seriously though, it's nice to get further confirmation of the issues, though I can't see it doing much good, it reassures me that I'm not doing something silly or suffering delusions. I am blaming you, Doc. I randomly picked a spot on Tompson which, against all odds, was the exact spot where you had dug a tunnel under Tompson. Don't try to deny it; you admitted as much in the hotline that very day. Your technical issue smoke screen has not hidden your real scheme from me: the development of a new security device which takes the form of a hand reaching up out of the ground to grab an avatar by it's ankle (a well turned ankle, in my case, I might add), drags it to the bowels of the sim, and finally tosses it, bruised and broken, onto the next sim. I am on to you. _____________________
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Doc Nielsen
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06-17-2005 17:31
I am blaming you, Doc. I randomly picked a spot on Tompson which, against all odds, was the exact spot where you had dug a tunnel under Tompson. Don't try to deny it; you admitted as much in the hotline that very day. Your technical issue smoke screen has not hidden your real scheme from me: the development of a new security device which takes the form of a hand reaching up out of the ground to grab an avatar by it's ankle (a well turned ankle, in my case, I might add), drags it to the bowels of the sim, and finally tosses it, bruised and broken, onto the next sim. I am on to you. Quiet Margret! OK, so you sussed it out - don't spread it around, otherwise everyone will be after one and I'll have to go commercial, make a fortune and buy more yet land on the proceedes... And don't worry about those 30m cubes on my land either. Once I have the balance of forces just right they will generate a fracture in the local space/time fabric and Tompson, and quite a bit of the surrounding sims, will be sucked into the n-dimensional rift forming my own private universe. At which point you, and your land will either be trapped in my private universe, or, more likely, ripped to shreds by the resultant energy imbalances, along with most of the rest of SL. I however, will have even greater privacy. Either way, neither my fiendish secuurity systems, nor my cubes, will trouble you further... Or maybe you'd prefer the technical issue explanation? _____________________
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Margaret Mfume
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06-17-2005 17:43
So your saying that my usual SL experience will basically remain unchanged then?
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06-18-2005 04:43
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Rathe Underthorn
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07-01-2005 19:54
I would just like to inform anyone who previously tried Roam and experienced some slow or non-responsiveness from it while locating a destination that we have migrated Roam to a much better server and link now. See this thread for details. Our new server replies to queries in less than 4 seconds on average!
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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02-04-2006 09:39
Is there any usefulness to the ROAM device anymore?
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02-04-2006 09:57
Is there any usefulness to the ROAM device anymore? What are the ROAM folks up to now? I still use it for the fly and jump features. _____________________
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02-04-2006 11:29
I still use it for the fly and jump features. I love the jump and flip. I liked the old carbon rod better for flying, I am not sure why though. I should try some other flyinig aids. Although, for looking around while flying, the object rendering and texture loading is so slow now that even unaided flying, intermittently, is not slow enough for the world to appear before you get there. Surely there must be some special purpose jump and flip objects that outshine the ROAM flip? With a HUD around the edge of the screen with click to change flip style's and jump levels? _____________________
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