Gratz , SL is now a mob

no i think that limits liability, i suspect it was intentional cross world "griefing"

i don't know that he realized how deadly it would be, but this was no simple lil mistake

WRONG ! The house was not vacant. People got pulled back into office for hours on a Sunday. Some are still wading through logs at that time I think. There was much cursing and gritting of teeth I think, as there was much electrical power wasted in countless reboot cycles (contributing to the global warming, eh). I'm sure I'm missing a lot more annoyances and hidden costs here.

I think I mentioned in another thread - my likely scenario of someone shitting thier pants when they saw it run outta control really fast....

When I say 'didn't know what the fuck he was doing' - I should elaborate that to apply to their knowledge of LSL...

They meant to cause a ruckus - most certainly. A grid wide ruckus was probably a 'happy accident' for them.

you know i understand that people were annoyed, but I would bet a sledgehammer to a vacant house could generate MORE financial loss, and then annoyance with owners, police, insurance (worse, no insurance), hiring contracters to fix it...

A few lindens work in SL, a few residents lost a couple sales, and some people had to face reality

I would rather SL get shut down for a week than have my house get sledgehammered.

I am glad you love SL, and I love SL too, but seriously, a tear in your precious "metaverse" and cursing and gritting teeth is not the end of life as you know it

have you ever been to a sporting event, for instance?

What a horribly biased poll.

Yes, I have And I've also worked till the early morning hours in a server room in the past. It pains me that you still don't understand the RL cost of this "tear in that precious metaverse". Maybe try applying the "police, insurance, hiring contractors" part to the subject being discussed here ?

"yes", "no", "i dont care", choose the level that effects you

"yes, but the culprit is gone" is perfectly acceptable to me and is pretty much my position

"no" with explanation I was just curious about for my own reasons. "hardly" is a solid NO

"W-Hat is 1337"? Weren't you the guy who called me thick at one point?

where is the bias? People were accusing them of everything under the sun (RL crimes) and were suggesting virusing and DoSing SA servers in "retaliation"

"I don't care", with no caveat, actually placed higher than I expected.

how would you have done it Nolan. Please educate me.

but then again, I am prolly just a W-Hat in hiding just to defend them, right?

I am doing just that. How much you figure was lost in income from the economy and labor for a few engineers on OT? Not that it didn't suck to be a Linden last night, don't get me wrong, but this was a tiny blip in the radar of Sl's history

Then apply that to the salaries of police, insurance, contractors, as well as the actual fixed cost of repairing maybe some windows, some drywall, and possibly, electric or plumbing?

Now how much did the SL outage cost compared to a sledgehammered house? this IS a direct comparison.

If I am wrong and you would rather have your house sledgehammered than be forcibly removed from SL, I am sorry, I guess my priorties are a tad different

Nah, remember, you jumped onto Prok's ship for a while too.

Maybe you just like to be contrary.

Maybe you just like to play pirate.

Maybe you're just blind.

Maybe haven't seen enough of the history to make an informed judgement.

I dunno.

And if you think you're making some grand point in linking to my statement - know this - I stand behind what I said. I see at least 2 people in the pics of the "celebration" who fit that tag perfectly - always defending w-hat, saying they aren't members, yet curiously always around w-hatters - especially for things like that celebration.

Maybe if you're ever on the receiving end of their crap you will change your mind.

As far as the poll goes, you don't need me to explain the bias to you - most of the choices are self indicting (like the children one) or villify those who would choose them. I wasn't born yesterday, Mulch.

with no conflict, there is no entertainment, be it comedy, drama, or tragedy

Give me a break.

Mulch, I pretty much agree with you. LL has the tools and logs to find out exactly what happened which should make it pretty easy for them to figure out if this was deliberate or accidental. The rest of us can speculate all we like but none of us actually know. The reaction from the community, while over the top, is hardly surprising. If one person through deliberate action or accident caused WoW to go down for several hours do you think that community would react any differently? Welcome to humanity.

I know, but even some cooler heads reacted, well, imho, pretty badly (thus giving W-Hat-ers and wannabes incentive for more hassle)

I have been on the other side of this mob mentality, but the utopia, like anything, is limited by it's weakest link, which as you put it so well, is humanity

Tragedy is entertainment to you?

Because alot of us share an opinion of W-Hat based on logic and past performances, and because alot of us think legal action might make a far better lesson than to be banned from a system they obviously don't care about anyway, does not, in any way make us a mob. It just makes us smart.

did you or did you not enjoy the posiden adventure, any irwin allen movie, love story, outsiders, charlottes web, Hamlet, terms of endearment, or any lifetime movie?

conflict is the essence for entertainment, be it comedy, drama, or tragedy

there is no story to this "game," there is no conflict in SL. W-Hat came in and filled the void and created conflict

I thought his Avi was racist as it gets, but damn if you (collectively) didn't play right into his plan getting all riled up over it

he created conflict, which to some was drama, to some, was tragedy, and to me in spectators position was comedy

Chip actually had a very good synopsis this morning in the goodbye thread from pandastrong

he looked like an ass from the 1st minute doing that. the rest of you had to post your outrage so he could drag you to his level. Do you think he made that avi cuz that is what he wanted to look like in RL, or to get a reaction from people?

if you take the bait, don't get mad when you wind up in the net

Hey now I resent that ...My Uncles used to Toss me around when I was a baby...I was FLYYYYYYING...

Anyhoo back to the post...

Sincerely, Shadow Weaver

That is the conclusion you came to?

I think you didn't take into account all those that MAY spend time with their children and still chose one of the other voting options.

I personally didn't vote either of those and spend TONS of time with my children.

That's one of the problems with polls like these. The people making the poll don't know what their doing as far as making a meaningful poll and those interpreting it don't either.

The 'spending time with children' answer was irrelivant to the issue. That so few people chose it shows absolutely nothing about anyones priorities...sorry.

With all due respect, we have differing views of the definition of entertainment.

In your examples, I voluntarily sought the entertainment in question. Whereas in this incident, we as a collective group WERE the entertainment for a select few. I do not appreciate being the involuntary brunt of entertainment for the immature and inconsiderate few.

When I want entertainment, I will seek it.

still, that was actually kinda a joke...

I wasnt actually accusing people of neglecting thier babies, maybe my sarcasm switch is faulty, but "yes" "no" "i dont care" were the meaningful answers

i wasn't setting anyone up to call CPS on or anything

but it does indeed seem interesting to me that people think W-Hat is 1337 and people think what that dood did was as bad as murder to a 3:1 and 2:1 ratio respectively to playing with their kids is kinda surprising

I assume many people don't have kids, or have grown up kids, or like you, spend plenty of time with thier kids

but 2:1 thinking this was as bad as murder?

nothing surprises me anymore, I guess, older, cynical, overdosed on "humanity"

i agree legal action should INDEED be persued if there is any basis whatsoever, as punishment and detriment

but this was indeed mob mentality

i just, in my opinion, think they are "social engineers" causing drame for dramas sake

if you check my comments on You know who's blog, you will see my conclusion in very unscientific terms

do i like them as a whole? I don't think so

but sometimes people get so involved in their games they can't see the forest from the trees

getting outraged is giving them 100% of what they want. don't succumb to the temptation, they will push any button they can to get you to their level

Philip wanted anarchy. ask him to what ends if you don't like the resulting chaos

they break a rule, boot them out. they stay within the rule, tolerate them and use a/r when you can.

Yes, and I'm sure those that chose the "as bad as murder" option truly meant it.

Although, the wording is actually "just short of murder".

Including playing with your kids as an option on a poll regarding griefers is what makes it goofy. What about the pets, huh? Are people neglecting to take their dog for a walk?

Being home is exactly where I need to be to take care of my priorities. You don't schedule a time slot to talk with your kid; it happens spontaneously, in spurts and is ongoing. I'm not watching a television program or a movie. I am available and routinely stop what I'm doing for a bunch of kids, even though I'm only responsible for one. I don't hover, get in on their conversations, play with them; that's what friends are for and I'm not their friend. I am there and I listen.

However, I do leave my concern and availability for kids irl. I expect to be with adults in SL. Maybe their time would be better spent evaluating how well this hanging out with assholes thing is working for them rather than coming to the forums whining about bigotry, mobs and any other overwrought analysis of the reaction they get. I'm not losing sleep over a bunch of attention seeking folks losing their ability to access SL because, like you said, it's just a playform game, metaverse, whatever; it's not their life. For the most part it's more like, don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

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please, relax