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Zonax Delorean

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06-14-2005 03:21

From: Eboni Khan

Why should LL invest all this money in building a client for an OS with single digit desktop market share? Couldnt't that money and efforts be spent on something that would affect a larger segment of the population. It is bad enough they waste efforts on Apple with it's 2% market share that is sure to decline with their lastest idiotic monopoly moves.

SL could benefit much more from Mac or Linux people than the few percent they share from the market. Linux people are techies, which could help great scripted things happen in SL, well, Mac people are diverse, but there are many graphic artists and also many not-that-computer savvy people who use Macs. They both bring diversity and value in SL, I think.

Issarlk Chatnoir

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06-14-2005 05:03

From: Eboni Khan

Why should LL invest all this money in building a client for an OS with single digit desktop market share? ...

Most of my friends use Linux at home, and most importantly, I do too. So in my world the majority of the population can't play SL.

It worked in linux with WINE but since 1.6 I can't make it run. So I'm seldom in SL now and dropped all script/build projects I had.

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SteveFox Extraordinaire

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06-22-2005 13:40

Remember when they said us linux users would have a portby the end of 2003. Oh you don't?
http://lindenlab.com/press_story_6.php
Go ahead and check yourself then. Its going on 3 years now since us linux users were lied to about getting our own port. How many paid for SL because you were lied to. To be honest this is false advertisement. All of those linux users who were lied to should be giving the option to receive a full refund. The product does not work on linux as they said it would. Thats the facts, i'm not trying to add more flame to the fire. I'm just pointing out the bloddy obvious.
To LL
Make the native linux client so that
#1 You cover your arse #2 no one won the lotto with out buying a ticket *aka you can only sell your product to those who can use it* #3 You all ready promised it. #4 Would you rather more lame windows code running through your server, or linux code. *they run the server on linux for a good reason =)
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Eboni Khan

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06-22-2005 14:05

From: Zonax Delorean

SL could benefit much more from Mac or Linux people than the few percent they share from the market. Linux people are techies, which could help great scripted things happen in SL, well, Mac people are diverse, but there are many graphic artists and also many not-that-computer savvy people who use Macs. They both bring diversity and value in SL, I think.

When you design software and you are trying to MAKE A PROFIT ( that is an important part to remember that many people overlook), you go for the wider more profitable audience. How cost effective is it to desgin a client so 50 people can log on SL when you have 15,000 people who are having issues with the current design? The 50 (who may be fabulous techies, or just fabulous people in general) are going to bring SOOOO much to the table their needs are greater than the needs of the masses? It doesn't make good business sense.

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Felius Shaftoe

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It's a priority for me..

06-22-2005 18:39

I put off joining SL for a year while waiting for linux support. I currently have a trial account and am very impressed with it, but worry about committing to something that would require me to reboot just to log on, or rely on an unsupported third-party apps like Cedega to get it working (and deal with problems every time SL is updated and my solution breaks).

In an enquiry to SL support on June 29th last year, I asked: "Are there any plans to offer a Linux client? I'd have thought that there'd be a decent intersection between the demographics of Linux users and those people who are interested in such an open-ended and scriptable world."

The reply I received was that there were no plans to offer Linux support and that I should check this forum for tips on getting SL to run under WineX/Cedega.

I think that intersection still exists, and with distributions like Ubuntu we're seeing more and more "casual" linux users who may be potential SL customers.

It's disappointing to see that there's still no linux client when SL apparently has a portable codebase - I don't think that arguments about support are valid, as games such as UT provide official linux clients with no support, or minimal "best effort" support.

In the meantime I have older boxes lying around that I could use as linux workstations while switching between that and my main PC to play SL - but it's not a viable long-term solution for me to leave my primary machine running windows for just one application.

A Mac OS X box would be a better solution, but I can't justify that at the moment either.

Icculus Linden

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06-25-2005 17:10

Well, there's been some progress recently...

http://icculus.org/~icculus/tmp/screenie2.jpg
http://icculus.org/~icculus/tmp/secondlife-lnx-screenie.jpg
http://icculus.org/~icculus/tmp/secondlife-lnx-screenie2.jpg

(Sorry for the nasty-looking compression.)

There's still a ways to go, so I don't want to promise any sort of time table, but this IS being worked on.

--ryan.

Tommy Oz

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06-25-2005 17:36

"Well, there's been some progress recently..."

Thanks. Knowing that the Linux Client is really in the works makes me feel a lot better. I can keep working in SL for now and wait a bit, If I'm assured that I will not be locked into Microsofts horrendous vision of the future.

Jsecure Hanks

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06-25-2005 19:04

That is SO cool, screenshots of SL on Linux is a glimpse into the promised land...

I can't wait for that, I'm so happy it's under way, keep up the good work

Adam Zaius

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06-25-2005 20:56

Wow; that is progress. Nice job Icculus. Sooner I can ditch WineX, the better.

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06-25-2005 21:30

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SouLShadow Absolute

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06-25-2005 21:56

I'm still very new to SL but have had the idea (though i never quite achieved the ability) to create such an interactive 3D world very closely resembling this one. With the onset of a girlfriend my dreams of a job programming in c++ took a back seat. But that dream is not forgotten! Niether are the notes i had made. As a linux only user i'm very pleased to see this client is starting to take shape. I would also like to offer my assistance, where possible, in the developement of it, as well as SL in general.

I would love to hear more about the progress of the Linux client. Please keep us posted!

-SouLShadow

PS: You should check out some of the EFL (Enlightenment Foundation Libraries) (http://www.enlightenment.org). There may be something there to help speed up developement.

Malachi Metropolitan

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06-26-2005 17:54

You're the man, icculus.

I've used SL under winex in the past, but now it seems SL 1.6.7 won't run even under winex 3.2.2. I did the whole "install-under-4.2-then-run-with.3.2" thing, and it first says it can't find DX9.0b, then it crashes.

Can't wait for the native release.

Ash Qin

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06-26-2005 23:04

Fantastic, I am really pleased hearing this

Roberta Dalek

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06-26-2005 23:30

This is great news

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Felius Shaftoe

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06-27-2005 02:57

That's great news, and I'm very pleased to see it's really happening. Is this an under-the-table job, or is there still official support behind the idea of a Linux client?

Good luck, and I hope to enjoy the fruits of your labour soon.

Ralf Schlegel

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Fantastic!

06-28-2005 14:12

The moment the Linux native client arrives, I will go back to a premium account and and re-purchase land. I haven't been able to use SL in a long time since I no longer use Windows and the latest versions do not work on WineX.

Chris Byrne

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07-02-2005 18:33

Awesome - accolades, LL!

Ledge Korvin

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07-07-2005 10:28

Oh my yes!

I would say those screenshots are well w00t-worthy.

I think I'd put a native Linux client over a functional OS X client in my priority since I have many more machines capable of running Linux well than Macs.

SteveFox Extraordinaire

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07-10-2005 18:27

Accepted, aka it shall be done
just the words i wanted to see, thanks
and since html on prims was approved to i need to read into what to sink my 10 votes into.
Excellent job LL
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Tequila Jimador

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Where is my Lin Binary??

07-18-2005 18:00

I want to beta test it.
Actually I'm an experienced Linux user and admin.

http://offload1.icculus.org/~icculus/tmp/screenie2.jpg
http://offload1.icculus.org/~icculus/tmp/secondlife-lnx-screenie.jpg
http://offload1.icculus.org/~icculus/tmp/secondlife-lnx-screenie2.jpg

Drake Bacon

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07-27-2005 15:20

I second the call to beta test!

AcidRaven Harrington

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Join date: 18 Jun 2005

Posts: 86

08-02-2005 21:14

I think most everyone who uses linux would be willing to beta test. I just don't know hwo icculus handels test the various ports. I hope the testing gets done soon so we can have the client for download. But I know that the icculus is very good at porting programs and has a decent list, I was happy to hear that he was working on it. It was a name that I reconised.

Keep up the good work

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Kilmarac Drago

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08-05-2005 16:48

I know Im willing to beta test. Hell, Ill format my hard drive and put up any flavor of linux they want to beta test it.

AcidRaven Harrington

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Join date: 18 Jun 2005

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08-18-2005 14:29

I would think that it is best if everyone was running there prefered version. And make/request work arounds for there version so we can have them all colected in the first place. But I don't think there will be to much problems with it. I can just hope that we can get more offical word on how things are going. I can understand not giveing a release date, but it would be nice to know how it is going.

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Elberg Control

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08-30-2005 01:45

I'm a Linux user (and one who is rapidly absorbing the LSL documentation) and I would be ecstatic to see a Linux client. I mean, c'mon... the Metaverse shouldn't be Windows/Mac only.

...and I can at least say that running it under Slackware w/Dropline would be something I could definitely help with on the installation side since I'm one of the Dropline devs.

Linux Client a Priority?
Zonax Delorean Registered User Join date: 5 Jun 2004 Posts: 767	06-14-2005 03:21 From: Eboni Khan Why should LL invest all this money in building a client for an OS with single digit desktop market share? Couldnt't that money and efforts be spent on something that would affect a larger segment of the population. It is bad enough they waste efforts on Apple with it's 2% market share that is sure to decline with their lastest idiotic monopoly moves. SL could benefit much more from Mac or Linux people than the few percent they share from the market. Linux people are techies, which could help great scripted things happen in SL, well, Mac people are diverse, but there are many graphic artists and also many not-that-computer savvy people who use Macs. They both bring diversity and value in SL, I think.
Issarlk Chatnoir Cross L. apologist. Join date: 3 Oct 2004 Posts: 424	06-14-2005 05:03 From: Eboni Khan Why should LL invest all this money in building a client for an OS with single digit desktop market share? ... Most of my friends use Linux at home, and most importantly, I do too. So in my world the majority of the population can't play SL. It worked in linux with WINE but since 1.6 I can't make it run. So I'm seldom in SL now and dropped all script/build projects I had. _____________________ Vincit omnia Chaos From: Flugelhorn McHenry Anyway, ignore me, just listen to the cow
SteveFox Extraordinaire Registered User Join date: 10 Jul 2004 Posts: 8	Shady Acts 06-22-2005 13:40 Remember when they said us linux users would have a portby the end of 2003. Oh you don't? http://lindenlab.com/press_story_6.php Go ahead and check yourself then. Its going on 3 years now since us linux users were lied to about getting our own port. How many paid for SL because you were lied to. To be honest this is false advertisement. All of those linux users who were lied to should be giving the option to receive a full refund. The product does not work on linux as they said it would. Thats the facts, i'm not trying to add more flame to the fire. I'm just pointing out the bloddy obvious. To LL Make the native linux client so that #1 You cover your arse #2 no one won the lotto with out buying a ticket aka you can only sell your product to those who can use it #3 You all ready promised it. #4 Would you rather more lame windows code running through your server, or linux code. *they run the server on linux for a good reason =) Steve Fox
Eboni Khan Misanthrope Join date: 17 Mar 2004 Posts: 2,133	06-22-2005 14:05 From: Zonax Delorean SL could benefit much more from Mac or Linux people than the few percent they share from the market. Linux people are techies, which could help great scripted things happen in SL, well, Mac people are diverse, but there are many graphic artists and also many not-that-computer savvy people who use Macs. They both bring diversity and value in SL, I think. When you design software and you are trying to MAKE A PROFIT ( that is an important part to remember that many people overlook), you go for the wider more profitable audience. How cost effective is it to desgin a client so 50 people can log on SL when you have 15,000 people who are having issues with the current design? The 50 (who may be fabulous techies, or just fabulous people in general) are going to bring SOOOO much to the table their needs are greater than the needs of the masses? It doesn't make good business sense. _____________________
Felius Shaftoe Registered User Join date: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 2	It's a priority for me.. 06-22-2005 18:39 I put off joining SL for a year while waiting for linux support. I currently have a trial account and am very impressed with it, but worry about committing to something that would require me to reboot just to log on, or rely on an unsupported third-party apps like Cedega to get it working (and deal with problems every time SL is updated and my solution breaks). In an enquiry to SL support on June 29th last year, I asked: "Are there any plans to offer a Linux client? I'd have thought that there'd be a decent intersection between the demographics of Linux users and those people who are interested in such an open-ended and scriptable world." The reply I received was that there were no plans to offer Linux support and that I should check this forum for tips on getting SL to run under WineX/Cedega. I think that intersection still exists, and with distributions like Ubuntu we're seeing more and more "casual" linux users who may be potential SL customers. It's disappointing to see that there's still no linux client when SL apparently has a portable codebase - I don't think that arguments about support are valid, as games such as UT provide official linux clients with no support, or minimal "best effort" support. In the meantime I have older boxes lying around that I could use as linux workstations while switching between that and my main PC to play SL - but it's not a viable long-term solution for me to leave my primary machine running windows for just one application. A Mac OS X box would be a better solution, but I can't justify that at the moment either.
Icculus Linden Linden Lab Employee Join date: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 1	06-25-2005 17:10 Well, there's been some progress recently... http://icculus.org/~icculus/tmp/screenie2.jpg http://icculus.org/~icculus/tmp/secondlife-lnx-screenie.jpg http://icculus.org/~icculus/tmp/secondlife-lnx-screenie2.jpg (Sorry for the nasty-looking compression.) There's still a ways to go, so I don't want to promise any sort of time table, but this IS being worked on. --ryan.
Tommy Oz Registered User Join date: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 56	06-25-2005 17:36 "Well, there's been some progress recently..." Thanks. Knowing that the Linux Client is really in the works makes me feel a lot better. I can keep working in SL for now and wait a bit, If I'm assured that I will not be locked into Microsofts horrendous vision of the future.
Jsecure Hanks Capitalist Join date: 9 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,451	06-25-2005 19:04 That is SO cool, screenshots of SL on Linux is a glimpse into the promised land... I can't wait for that, I'm so happy it's under way, keep up the good work
Adam Zaius Deus Join date: 9 Jan 2004 Posts: 1,483	06-25-2005 20:56 Wow; that is progress. Nice job Icculus. Sooner I can ditch WineX, the better. -Adam _____________________ Co-Founder / Lead Developer GigasSecondServer
Khamon Fate fategardens.net Join date: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 4,177	06-25-2005 21:30 /clap _____________________ Visit the Fate Gardens Website @ fategardens.net
SouLShadow Absolute SouL Shadow Join date: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 1	06-25-2005 21:56 I'm still very new to SL but have had the idea (though i never quite achieved the ability) to create such an interactive 3D world very closely resembling this one. With the onset of a girlfriend my dreams of a job programming in c++ took a back seat. But that dream is not forgotten! Niether are the notes i had made. As a linux only user i'm very pleased to see this client is starting to take shape. I would also like to offer my assistance, where possible, in the developement of it, as well as SL in general. I would love to hear more about the progress of the Linux client. Please keep us posted! -SouLShadow PS: You should check out some of the EFL (Enlightenment Foundation Libraries) (http://www.enlightenment.org). There may be something there to help speed up developement.
Malachi Metropolitan Registered User Join date: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 2	06-26-2005 17:54 You're the man, icculus. I've used SL under winex in the past, but now it seems SL 1.6.7 won't run even under winex 3.2.2. I did the whole "install-under-4.2-then-run-with.3.2" thing, and it first says it can't find DX9.0b, then it crashes. Can't wait for the native release.
Ash Qin A fox! Join date: 16 Feb 2005 Posts: 103	06-26-2005 23:04 Fantastic, I am really pleased hearing this
Roberta Dalek Probably trouble Join date: 21 Oct 2004 Posts: 1,174	06-26-2005 23:30 This is great news _____________________ See my stuff on SL Boutique!
Felius Shaftoe Registered User Join date: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 2	06-27-2005 02:57 That's great news, and I'm very pleased to see it's really happening. Is this an under-the-table job, or is there still official support behind the idea of a Linux client? Good luck, and I hope to enjoy the fruits of your labour soon.
Ralf Schlegel Registered User Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 6	Fantastic! 06-28-2005 14:12 The moment the Linux native client arrives, I will go back to a premium account and and re-purchase land. I haven't been able to use SL in a long time since I no longer use Windows and the latest versions do not work on WineX.
Chris Byrne Broccoli Chef Join date: 21 Mar 2004 Posts: 57	07-02-2005 18:33 Awesome - accolades, LL!
Ledge Korvin Registered User Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 39	07-07-2005 10:28 Oh my yes! I would say those screenshots are well w00t-worthy. I think I'd put a native Linux client over a functional OS X client in my priority since I have many more machines capable of running Linux well than Macs.
SteveFox Extraordinaire Registered User Join date: 10 Jul 2004 Posts: 8	07-10-2005 18:27 Accepted, aka it shall be done just the words i wanted to see, thanks and since html on prims was approved to i need to read into what to sink my 10 votes into. Excellent job LL Steve Fox
Tequila Jimador Registered User Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 2	Where is my Lin Binary?? 07-18-2005 18:00 I want to beta test it. Actually I'm an experienced Linux user and admin. http://offload1.icculus.org/~icculus/tmp/screenie2.jpg http://offload1.icculus.org/~icculus/tmp/secondlife-lnx-screenie.jpg http://offload1.icculus.org/~icculus/tmp/secondlife-lnx-screenie2.jpg
Drake Bacon Linux is Furry Join date: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 443	07-27-2005 15:20 I second the call to beta test!
AcidRaven Harrington Linux User Join date: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 86	08-02-2005 21:14 I think most everyone who uses linux would be willing to beta test. I just don't know hwo icculus handels test the various ports. I hope the testing gets done soon so we can have the client for download. But I know that the icculus is very good at porting programs and has a decent list, I was happy to hear that he was working on it. It was a name that I reconised. Keep up the good work _____________________ Acidraven Harrington Child Avatar Height detector 1.0.4: AcidRaven Harrington is 1.191803 m (3 feet 11 inches) tall. (counting your shoes) Yo, ho, haul together, hoist the Colors high… Heave ho, thieves and beggars, never say we die. Freedom is for Everyone. http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/full-reign-of-self-expression-for-consenting-adults-in-second-life.html
Kilmarac Drago Registered User Join date: 5 Sep 2004 Posts: 44	08-05-2005 16:48 I know Im willing to beta test. Hell, Ill format my hard drive and put up any flavor of linux they want to beta test it.
AcidRaven Harrington Linux User Join date: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 86	08-18-2005 14:29 I would think that it is best if everyone was running there prefered version. And make/request work arounds for there version so we can have them all colected in the first place. But I don't think there will be to much problems with it. I can just hope that we can get more offical word on how things are going. I can understand not giveing a release date, but it would be nice to know how it is going. _____________________ Acidraven Harrington Child Avatar Height detector 1.0.4: AcidRaven Harrington is 1.191803 m (3 feet 11 inches) tall. (counting your shoes) Yo, ho, haul together, hoist the Colors high… Heave ho, thieves and beggars, never say we die. Freedom is for Everyone. http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/full-reign-of-self-expression-for-consenting-adults-in-second-life.html
Elberg Control Wandering Loon Join date: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 79	08-30-2005 01:45 I'm a Linux user (and one who is rapidly absorbing the LSL documentation) and I would be ecstatic to see a Linux client. I mean, c'mon... the Metaverse shouldn't be Windows/Mac only. ...and I can at least say that running it under Slackware w/Dropline would be something I could definitely help with on the installation side since I'm one of the Dropline devs.

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