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Torley Linden
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09-17-2005 00:45
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
When I watched these - correction, tried to watch these - they kept starting over, each time playing a little more. This is the only time my system has ever had a problem exactly like this in SL. I know at least one other person experienced the same problem. For me, it rendered the exhibition pretty much useless; I gave up on watching them.

Thanks for posting the urls.


You're most graciously welcome, Suezanne... :) I think part of the problem is 'cuz the filesizes are chunky. And another part is that SL doesn't have progress bars indicating movies are buffering. Without a visual indicator like that, I was in the dark. I experienced very much the same problems that you did. Maybe the movies weren't hinted+optimized for Internet playback too? Anyone who knows more, please fill in the holes!
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Oz Spade
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09-17-2005 01:47
I know the problem! The video streaming in SL is ass! :p

There, I said it, it's the truth and I'm not taking it back. Sorry to whoever programmed it, but I've had more movies not work in SL than I've had work. And no its not my codec or whatever, I've tested it, installed different stuff, and I know it's SL.

Visual cues of whats going on would be very nice Torley. Also it seems the videos like to repeat when loading instead of stopping and waiting for the next bit to progress (like quicktime does).

Would have been nice if they included links to watch the videos in your browser instead of restrictively in-world.

Names being not-shown also would have been good, but many of the videos display the names at the end of the movies anyway. :p So unless you have people who leave before the credits, can be kinda pointless.

And I think sending the video to non-SLers would be a great idea too. But hard to find the right people who wouldn't consider it hatefull spam or some such.
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Cindy Claveau
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09-17-2005 07:30
The Voting machine did break and would not register *any* votes for a while. Last night it was reset -- all the votes were gone, but the bar graphs weren't reset.

If you have already voted, please go back and vote again. Your vote was erased! :(
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Ellie Edo
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09-17-2005 07:30
From: Chosen Few
The fastest way to look unproffesional.....
Wow, Chosen, you're a pedant like me.
Mind you, did you have to bite yourself in the bottom like that ? :D

On the quality of the videos, once again many of you manifest what to my old european eyes looks like an obsession with mutual-congratulation, even unto a total suspension of critical judgement.

To me, two of the videos stand head and shoulders above the others, with one of those a clear winner. This endless "why can't everybody win" stuff gets my goat.

How many more has that offended ? Twenty-three ? Soon I won't dare take this alt inworld at all.

Sigh..........Oh the pains of the forthright observer....... :p
Wendel Gascoigne
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09-17-2005 07:42
From: Cindy Claveau
The Voting machine did break and would not register *any* votes for a while. Last night it was reset -- all the votes were gone, but the bar graphs weren't reset.

If you have already voted, please go back and vote again. Your vote was erased! :(


Hmm... I tried to recast my vote but the machine would not take it. I don't think that the previous vote tally or list of voters were lots. It's just that the current totals don't reflect them.

Wendel
Ellie Edo
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09-17-2005 07:45
From: Moriz Gupte
get annoyed if I used z in sympathize
I often wonder if there is any truth in the story that the majority of the UK - US english spelling differences arose not from any natural divergent growth, but from two guys sitting in a room when they were writing the first big US dictionary, which went on to become definitive. The story is that they deliberately chose some totally artificial differences to promulgate, as a sort of thumb-the-nose to the original language - a statement of national individuality and independence on the language front.

And that this included such changes as -ise becoming -ize, and -our becoming -or. The claim is two guys simply invented these (and more) one day, all on their own and out of thin air. As a sort of political act.

Is there any truth in this, or is it just a bit more european anti-US propaganda ?

On the other side of the scales, my Cambridge-English-Literature-educated son informs me that pronouncing the word "ask" as "aks", which I had assumed was a manifestation of lack of education in certain groups, is in fact the original, which survived intact from the time of US colonisation. Whereas it is the current English usage which has transformed (degraded ?) over the years. So its me, the English pedant, who has that more wrong. At least historically.

Works both ways, huh ?

P.S. Yes, yes, I know.....living thing.....ever changing.....etc..etc. But not the point of the post, d'you see ?
Ellie Edo
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09-17-2005 08:16
From: Torley Torgeson
:D :D :D

Just one note... uh...

THE VOTE MACHINE APPEARS TO BE BROKEN.

Can anyone else confirm this?

If so... hang on to your thumbs! @_@
I just tried to vote, two minutes ago. I was told I had already voted, and my vote was not registered. My vote would have altered the figure, if it had been accepted, by about 15% !

I'm sorry, it is broken again. I've never even entered the sim before, and my only action was this one single click. You can't expect people to vote for a third time, or base a decision on completely broken data. Incidentally, I could find no instructions anywhere on how to vote, neither notice nor notecard. I guessed, and clicked on the relevant column, actually expecting a notecard, and got that message.

So unless there is an integrated also-broken instruction-notecard-giver, my guess is that the vote is further invalidated by many wrong votes even before it broke, ie people clicking in the middle expecting an instruction card, and finding to their surprise that they have now voted, on the middle column.

1 out of 10, and for effort only, Hamlet (voting machine creator).

I suggest that whoever is in charge of this just accepts that public voting has failed. Revert to Plan A. Let the Lindens decide.

Some absolutely outstanding work has gone into some of these movies, well up to professional standards, and the contributors deserve that the decision be treated seriously.
Lash Xevious
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09-17-2005 09:51
I really liked Elle Pollack's video. So I voted for that one. The others are good, but Elle's is the kind of video that would have gotten me to join. The story, the characters, the last scene, all spoke to me. :)
Torley Linden
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09-17-2005 11:31
From: Ellie Edo

1 out of 10, and for effort only, Hamlet (voting machine creator).


O one thing here is that Hamlet didn't create it, the VoteMaster happens to be an olde 2003 model. I don't think it was ready for such voter turnout.

There's irony in here, somewhere...

From: Ellie Edo

Some absolutely outstanding work has gone into some of these movies, well up to professional standards, and the contributors deserve that the decision be treated seriously.


I'll toast to this! :D

ON WITH THE SHOW!
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Oz Spade
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09-17-2005 12:26
Yes I believe the VoteMaster was made by Philip Linden waayyyy back when prims costed money! So... the question begs to be asked, why are we using 2003 tech?! :p

Hasn't someone made a better voting machine? And if not... can you?

I wouldn't mind going back to Plan A with Linden voting. Honestly I think one should be chosen as a "front runner" and the others should be linked to atleast. Or have a link that points to all of them. Or rotate them on the front page or whatever.
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Matthias Zander
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09-17-2005 14:56
Well, the old machine has officially suffered a stack-heap collision again.

Max Case is currently working on a (currently-unofficial) solution/vote board that should be ready soon. There's a moderately large group of us there eagerly watching the process as we speak.
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Khamon Fate
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09-17-2005 15:34
Olmy Seraph has a very nice voting machine that he built for the Codas' building contests. I'm sure he'll let those Lindens types use it.
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Elle Pollack
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09-17-2005 15:53
From: Khamon Fate
Olmy Seraph has a very nice voting machine that he built for the Codas' building contests. I'm sure he'll let those Lindens types use it.


Can it handle in excess of 160 votes?

Max is having a little trouble with getting his to behave, so Olmy's welcome to drop by and show it off. We have made limited contact with Hamlet, via Torley, in email (he's supposedly on vacation) and he's supposed to be getting in touch with Max soon.

(Speeking of Coda, where did Athena go?)
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Torley Linden
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09-17-2005 15:57
Yeah, what Elle said... at this point lots of ??? (question marks).
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Torley Linden
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09-17-2005 16:45
Just posted:

From: Jeska Linden
We are aware of the problems with the video voting machines. We are working on replacement machines and may consider adding additional time onto the contest judging.


/3/f3/54702/1.html
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Hamlet Linden
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09-17-2005 22:42
Yes, I'm on vacation until next week, but now talking with the Lindens about the best way to get the voting process up and running smoothly again. Since I'm only the host of the voting event, it'll be up to the Lindens how they want to proceed with that, but my guess is we'll need to start from scratch. Sorry about the enormous inconvenience. At least the delay will give folks a chance to consider the movies more thoroughly.

One other thing: isn't "What if there was a world" indeed proper grammar? "World" is singular, so it's "was", not "were", right?
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Ellie Edo
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09-18-2005 06:28
From: Hamlet Linden
One other thing: isn't "What if there was a world" indeed proper grammar? "World" is singular, so it's "was", not "were", right?
No, Hamlet. Its nothing to do with the plural/singular. It's because of the conditional. If a person were to use "was", they'd be wrong. Link proof, anyone ? No time, gotta feed dependent.
Torley Linden
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09-18-2005 07:03
C-c-check out more info, we have a new voting machine!
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09-18-2005 13:09
From: Matthias Zander
Ricky, I'm mainly addressing your last paragraph here. This originally was to be voted on by a panel of Lindens. That was one of the first things I asked on behalf of my group before we began work. I was told that there might perhaps be a "Resident's Choice Award" after the Lindens had already chosen the winner. Imagine my surprise a week or so before the due date when I got the email saying that it was now a player vote.

Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not complaining, I just half wish it would have stayed consistant.


Matthias, I have to agree. When I agreed to work on this project, I was in the middle of putting together a new sim. I had to divide my time between the two projects and as a result wound up putting in about a week of 10-12 hour days.

My group entered into this competition under the concept that this was going to be a professionally done and professionally judged competition. In all honesty, had I known this was to be turned into yet another "who's got the most friends and groups" popularity vote, I have to admit I would have never gotten involved. I'm very pleased with the results and take some enjoyment from being involved in the project, but am very disappointed the rules were changed at the last moment.
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09-18-2005 13:13
From: Oz Spade
I know the problem! The video streaming in SL is ass! :p
There, I said it, it's the truth and I'm not taking it back. Sorry to whoever programmed it, but I've had more movies not work in SL than I've had work.


Yeah, hey, I have to wonder about that. If all SL is doing is providing a link and the actual video is streaming from another source... then why does it keep NOT working, why does it keep totally crashing my SL system, why have I and hundreds of others gotten halfway through a movie only to have it suddenly stop-- and no way to restart at the place it crashed.

If video is going to be on SL, it really needs some fixing.

That said--and so that I don't get completely off post theme... a couple or three of the videos in this contest rock.
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09-18-2005 13:41
First of all, amazing work by all the participants. Good show.
From: Hamlet Linden
One other thing: isn't "What if there was a world" indeed proper grammar? "World" is singular, so it's "was", not "were", right?
Now for my patented, tiresome screed:

Like, dude, it's called the subjuntive mode, and like there's even a particular subset of subjunctive constructions called sumptin like if... clauses u kno? Now it is understandable that you might be confused on the matter as the traditional "were" is being like supplanted as noted in teh link above
In practice, of course, many people ignore the rules. In fact, over the last 200 years even well-respected writers have tended to use the indicative was where the traditional rule would require the subjunctive were. A usage such as "If I was the only boy in the world" may break the rules, but it sounds perfectly natural.
It don't sound natural to me but like aren't you supposedly a person who duz the string words together gig for a living? Whyfor you ask us non-edumacated folk for grammar lessons?

From: Hamlet Linden
Yes, I'm on vacation until next week, but now talking with the Lindens about the best way to get the voting process up and running smoothly again. Since I'm only the host of the voting event, it'll be up to the Lindens how they want to proceed with that, but my guess is we'll need to start from scratch. Sorry about the enormous inconvenience. At least the delay will give folks a chance to consider the movies more thoroughly.
Puzzling grammatical construction there. "I [a Linden] am only the host [therefore] it'll be up to the Lindens how they want [to fix the broken voting]". Sorta reminiscent of the Epimenides Paradox, no? Would it not be similar to you saying "All Lindens are Liars"?

Well, according to Babbage Linden, "we have a new voting machine!" so I guess all is well now.

Finally, I'd like to thank the Academy, my director, and Linden Lab for successfully getting your customers to produce a selection of high quality promotional video materials for you for the niggardly sum of US$350, when you would otherwise have to pay ten or more times that. Well done!
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09-18-2005 13:52
From: Introvert Petunia
niggardly

OMG racism!

Hamlet, and any other professional journalists reading this, in the future it might be better to quietly check Strunk & White rather than raise a flag like that. Just remember, there's always someone more pedantic. :)
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09-18-2005 14:38
From: Julian Fate
OMG racism!

Hamlet, and any other professional journalists reading this, in the future it might be better to quietly check Strunk & White rather than raise a flag like that. Just remember, there's always someone more pedantic. :)


I'm not certain of this. Pedantic circumlocution, my erudite friend, is the exclusively endemic perrogative of anyone seriously, seduously, and punctiliously conversant in the fecund domain of lexoconography, in addition to being a synergistically expedient mode of communication-- at least to those with more than an inherently strabismic intellect.
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Ellie Edo
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09-18-2005 20:13
From: Wayfinder Wishbringer
Matthias, I have to agree. When I agreed to work on this project, I was in the middle of putting together a new sim. I had to divide my time between the two projects and as a result wound up putting in about a week of 10-12 hour days.

My group entered into this competition under the concept that this was going to be a professionally done and professionally judged competition. In all honesty, had I known this was to be turned into yet another "who's got the most friends and groups" popularity vote, I have to admit I would have never gotten involved. I'm very pleased with the results and take some enjoyment from being involved in the project, but am very disappointed the rules were changed at the last moment.
This confirms what I had begun to expect. There should be no replacement voting machine. Not only is a twice-restarted vote a total farce. The contestants deserve to have their efforts judged the way the entry contract stated. Anything less is reprehensible.
Cindy Claveau
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09-19-2005 06:27
I'm afraid I don't see any inconsistency here. After all, these are the same Lindens who have consistently abstained from setting forth clear, firm behavior boundaries until the users raised havoc. They're the same Lindens who shirk backing that foundation of law in-world except in the most egregrious (and visible) instances. The same group of nice folks who are 'still considering' the implementation of zoning laws (for 2 years) while thousands of users like myself see our hard-bought small parcel of land crowded out by the blare and lag of Slingo/sexy av clubs.

And we expect them to run a simple vote flawlessly? We expect to only need to vote once instead of once, twice, then TWICE more as the rules shift every day?

It's consistent.
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