Voice Disapproval at the Convention

I'm not being an apologist I just think that LL has better things to do than allocate so many resources to babysitting the forums. I would have preferred chaos theory to the forum closure all together. I'm just waiting and seeing what sorts of tools they will be releasing that will help aid communication.

We still have Second Citizen and SL Universe forums to utilize in our community relations with each other. I've always found the Lindens to be approachable. Granted, they are busy and sometimes it takes them awhile to get back to you, but I have never not been able to get through to them.

No you're not. Please don't be disingenuous.

*sighs* If they decide to do as they did with the verification system and not have all the tools in place and working realitively bug free by the time the close general, I'm definately going to reconsider my premium account. I will not do business with a company that has no clue what it's doing. "Because we didn't know what we'd need," is no excuse. The players told them, long before what was needed.

Bleh, I sound depressed over a stupid game. Yes, people, screw the idea of a platform, because to the Lindens this is a game and we're the pawns.

Unfortunately, I cannot go to the convention. It's outside of my budget for the moment.

Well, I can't afford to travel thousands of miles and pay hotel fees and other travel expenses just to attend a convention about an on-line activity. And frankly, even if I could, even if I already had my reservations made and my bags packed, I honestly don't think I would bother. I'd stay home and not waste my time or money.

What Linden Labs has done over the past few months has made it abundantly clear to me that the only voices they want to hear are those of individuals with bags full of venture capital money in their hands, offering money to Linden Labs. The voices of people who buy and build sims don't matter. The voices of the people who actually populate and live in Second Life appear meaningless to them. My proof of this is evidenced by the fiascos with open registration, the snapshot interface changes, lack of action against griefers, important bugs like texture loading and lag being ignored... Most of the Linden comments of late reek of Orwellian Newspeak, saying one thing while their actions prove their intent is just the opposite. It's depressing and frustrating.

To those of you who can attend the convention, and who still plan to go, I wish you luck. I agree that if you DO have a chance to speak to any Linden employees, especially to the higher-ranking ones, it is important to be civil, articulate and concise regarding your differences of opinion with their policies. Explain clearly what you think is wrong. Offer constructive suggestions for improvement. Don't make an ass of yourself, even if they do. Take the high moral ground, and behave well. At least you will have tried. Maybe they will listen. Maybe things will improve.

But I doubt it.

A company that dont like to get feedback from the customers area company that....

A country that closes the borders are a country that....

People that dont talk or meet other are...

****

Development in life (and comapnys) are to be open for al kinds of impressions...

When you build a wall around you and are not open longer you are in trouble...

/Tina

How am I being disingenous?

I'll miss the forums - yes
Do I agree with LL's decision to close the forums - yes
Do I see that *we* (collective SL community) is passionate about the forum closure whether pro or con - yes

Again, how is this disingenous?

why are we at almost 30 posts in this thread and Coco hasn't brought up that she was unfairly suspended is she sick or something?

get well soon coco!

Do Not Bring Logic into this!!!!

I'm going to the convention to meet the people and would still go even if I planned to not deal with the frustrations of dealing with experimental software under heavy development by a company operating with no apparent sense of project organization through a tiresome and expensive layer of community building efforts.

This can well be said for the time and expense committed to managing a vast cadre of liasons to babysit us inworld as well.

and I'm going to personally compliment you on your trees. For real.

*You* are clearly not passionate about the forums as you support their closure, so to stand up for this whilst simultaneously aligning yourself with the community, the large majority of which is protesting their closure so vehemently is disingenuous.

is it ok that I am pretty pro-community but that i think these forums suck cock? lemme know if i gotta get a license or something.

Wow. Even /I/ had trouble understanding that.

Put the Thesaurus down, and back away.

If I wasn't passionate would I be posting at all? One can be passionate in a variety of ways and not be disingenous about it. I am capable of having more than one opinion simulataneously.

Let me explain further: I am not shocked by the forum closure as the writing has been on the wall for some time now. I support LL to the extent that I think they have better avenues to sink their resources into rather than babysitting the forums. I am passionate in the fact that I will miss the forums when they go away and also concerning the matter of the timing of the announcement being a week before the SLCC.

I'm a complex gal living in a complex world.

Pro community in what sense ? the most general use of the word or the forum community in particular ? I'd guess not the latter given your stated opinion on the forums.

Is it unfair to call someone out who claims to be passionate about something which they are happy to see closed ? If it was a passionate hatred of them, I'd understand of course but the context of the post suggested otherwise.

I daresay that the real active community members don't even bother with the forums. They are too busy building the community inside SL.

The only people who are active in the forums are the ones that are trolling from work during the day where they would get in trouble for runing the SL client.

Life would be truly boring without paradox I agree, but there's a difference between paradox and contradiction

I didn't say I was happy to see the forums closed. Just that I support LL's decision.
Other than that I will miss the forums etc. see other posts.

The percentage of the SL population that uses the forums hovers around 5 - 10% or so I have heard.

Everyone please remember, this convention is run by RESIDENTS, not by LINDEN LAB. While Linden Lab will be present, they've had almost ZERO to do with the planning. By boycotting the event you're simply hurting other residents.

I agree, the timing on this sucks, but frankly, I'm too busy to worry about it right now. We're still on pace to sell out the convention, as planned. Not going because of this hurts no one but you, and other residents. On the other hand, coming and expressing your opinions to the Lindens, in person, may get their attention. The SLCC isn't just about getting together and having a few drinks; it's also about thinking about the future, expressing opinions, and trying to find a better way.

And Lewis, your idea on how this is somehow a ploy to get more people to come to SLCC through drama because of sagging numbers? That's even more pathetic that your normal passive agressive behavior. Wow!

Regards,

-Flip

Personally, I avoid the forums - just when I get interested in a topic, it bottoms out into vile, unproductive personal attacks. So, in lieu of civil conversation that inevitably devolves into chat detritus, I say, let's just open it wide. What I'd much rather read are personal views on resident websites that do NOT have to be censored by LL.

What large majority? Are these the same people who made the forums a bed of drama? I can understand why they want to close these forums. No matter what they do in regards to the forums, someone complains.

*SIGH*

I for one will deeply miss all the flaming rhetoric and intense humor and hilarity these forums have brought to my singularly drab and meaningless existence. I can have the worst day, and upon hitting these forums and review the flaming diatribe, torch-bearing and personal calumny that so permeates the forums, feel suddenly alive and invigorated by the intensity and hot colored exchanges of a wonderfully colorful group of typists!

Spending a majority of my time RL instead of SL or SL forumming, I obviously have not the slightest clue as to the awful impact the closure of these forums will have on the SL community. And thus burdened by the essentially marginalized virtuality of my existence can only express what little concern I have that represents the potential loss of amusement and head-shaking that has been my lot lo these many months.

I frequently regale my friends at the homeless shelter, in our Habitat for Humanity projects, and at the free medical clinic, with the wrong-headed and irresponsible actions of the Lindens and the storms of responses they generate in these forums. To see the gentle smile of recognition on the face of the homeless as I inform them of the latest flurry of outrage for the arrant mishandling of this virtual world and the oppression of its denizens is endearing. They too recognize that oppression as kin to their own and embrace you all as kindred spirits as they enjoy their brief respite from hunger, cold or pain.

I deeply honor your suffering and hope against hope that somehow someday in a kinder gentler and more responsible metaverse we all may be joined in solidarity and true community!

PAX!

Instead of blaming the community, why not blame Linden Lab for some of the decisions made that have completely ruined the Second Life experience? That's what people are complaining about.

Open registration for one, several very buggy releases as another... I'm sure your main account remembers many others.

Lewis