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Acceptable prim ratio for prefab homes?

Juro Kothari
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02-23-2005 15:28
From: Sophos Casanova
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(no offence Juro)


I'll gladly take a back seat to Jimmy. As I've always said, I feel he *IS* the best builder in SL. His work is precise, amazingly detailed, and he's constantly coming up with creative ways to increase the level of realism.

So, definately no offense taken Sophos. ;)
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Sophos Casanova
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02-24-2005 00:16
From: Juro Kothari
I'll gladly take a back seat to Jimmy. As I've always said, I feel he *IS* the best builder in SL. His work is precise, amazingly detailed, and he's constantly coming up with creative ways to increase the level of realism.

So, definately no offense taken Sophos. ;)


I coudln't agree with you more.. Jimmy is our master :-D
Eggy Lippmann
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02-24-2005 04:20
Jimmy may be a great TEXTURER, but I believe Starax Statosky is without a shadow of a doubt the best builder in SL.
I would seriously pay all my money to see them working together on something.
Sophos Casanova
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02-24-2005 04:26
hmm..

i cannot agree or disagree.. i havent seen his work ... sry

lets have a vote on Sl's best home-builder

LOL
Aimee Weber
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02-24-2005 07:59
Starax really is the best builder in SL, though it kills me to inflate his ego like that :D

I also agree that textures do make the difference for low-prim builds. Here is a picture of a museum I made a while ago in Chase's Manhattan in Hawthorne.

Primcount: 20
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Juro Kothari
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02-24-2005 08:09
From: Eggy Lippmann
Jimmy may be a great TEXTURER, but I believe Starax Statosky is without a shadow of a doubt the best builder in SL.
I would seriously pay all my money to see them working together on something.

He's more than a great texturer, Eggy. His builds would be very well done, even with average textures. Apply his texturing wizardry, and they are amazing.

Starax, IMHO, is the best in artistic creations (basically, non-structures). Any sculpture made by Starax is simply amazing - but I've not ever seen any buildings.
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Sophos Casanova
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02-24-2005 08:15
next time better post a pic where the textures are fully rezzed


This is gonna come in handy for prefab builders:
Feature Request
Aimee Weber
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02-24-2005 08:46
From: Juro Kothari
He's more than a great texturer, Eggy. His builds would be very well done, even with average textures. Apply his texturing wizardry, and they are amazing.

Starax, IMHO, is the best in artistic creations (basically, non-structures). Any sculpture made by Starax is simply amazing - but I've not ever seen any buildings.


I have seen Starax's buildings. He is was working on an insane asylum last month and it was up to his normal standards (meaning...best I have seen in SL). My only gripe with Starax is his utter lack of restraint in prim use. He and Talila should get married.
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Jauani Wu
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02-24-2005 08:59
i think in the prefab market people are looking for a house witha few different settings.

so if we can say a house on a 4096 plot has four setting and each of the settings requires furnishing of 100 prims, than that leave 500 prims. there will be some landscaping required and foliage for another 100 prims. so i think a house should be probably no approximately 300 prims in this scenario, leaving 100+ prims free for random rezzing.
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Prokofy Neva
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02-24-2005 09:44
I think whatever house you are putting on whatever property, you should really TRIPLE the prim count of the house to allow for decorating. Double is just not enough, I find for many people. People really, really like to decorate. A 200-prim dinette set is not out of the norm.

On the other hand, anything less than 40-44 prims in a pre-fab, that is supposed to be fitting comfortably on a 1024 or 2048, will in fact not look good, using texturing as a substitute for fine prim workmanship. I like prim craftsmen better than texturers, but that's just me. Still, trying to put in details like eaves, windows, moulding etc in the form of a texture often makes the house look like a cardboard cutout or a Hollywood movie set...but then, some people like that.

I am not shy to take a pre-fab house of 199 prims for a rental but a more comfortable norm is no greater than 100 on a 1024, and preferable under 50, because they only get 231 prims on 1024. Then someone paying more to get a 2048 is going to want to make sure they have way more prims anyway and the 468 or whatever is somehow never enough.

I will take a 200-prim house for rentals if it looks really good and has the combination of window/views/airiness as well as privacy/tinting that people want. Then I will find the land to match its prims and allow at least 2.5 to 3 times that for the tenant.

People sometimes buy a pre-fab because it looks good or fulfills their fantasy, they put it down on their land, then they can't live in it because it's too hard to move around, or they start decorating and run out of space. Then they leave it, sometimes for weeks while they fly around looking for more spacious pursuits.

I will tell you what the best, most fashionable, high-art architecturey pre-fabs are good for: positioning on a lot to make it look its best, to have fly-by would-be tenants eye them, then they take the lot, ask to have the nice pre-fab removed, then they put down either their own newbie build or a prefab that looks like a paperdoll cutout. Go figure, well give the people what they want...

Now why do they do that? Because high art is intimidating. Because high-art often has more than 125 prims. Because high art often has no privacy and isn't comfortable to move around in with good camera angles.
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Juro Kothari
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02-24-2005 10:50
From: Aimee Weber
I have seen Starax's buildings. He is was working on an insane asylum last month and it was up to his normal standards (meaning...best I have seen in SL). My only grip with Starax is his utter lack of restraint in prim use. He and Talila should get married.

I'll have to check that out. I've not seen any of his 'building' builds, so I can't really give a fair assesment of them.

Oh, and primhogs are good people! ;)
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Juro Kothari
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02-24-2005 10:54
From: Prokofy Neva
I think whatever house you are putting on whatever property, you should really TRIPLE the prim count of the house to allow for decorating. Double is just not enough, I find for many people.

I agree Prokofy.. I'll be posting a new comparison page to my site later today that has 'suggested' plot sized for each of the models. The suggested plot size factors a use of approx. 30% of the allotted prims for the house - leaving the rest for decoration and landscaping.
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Sam Portocarrero
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02-24-2005 11:27
From: Sophos Casanova
next time better post a pic where the textures are fully rezzed


This is gonna come in handy for prefab builders:
Feature Request


Yes, I've been asking for this for months, I'm amazed they didnt consider it earlier (considering it's already possible to do with land) I hope it's implemented on the next couple of updates or so, would make transfering customs alot easeier. :)
lelinky

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Talila Liu
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03-02-2005 14:52
From: Aimee Weber
.... He and Talila should get married.


Pfft Aimee, i hardly even know the guy :P.
(*sigh*)


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Sophos Casanova
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03-07-2005 08:33
hm..

maybe ull like my miniatures too then :-D
Kayin Zugzwang
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03-07-2005 10:20
Never say "best" in SL, because as far as I can tell the best builds are the ones no one really knows about.
Juro Kothari
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03-07-2005 11:53
I say 'best' as a label applied to those builds I've seen. It's not cast in stone and can be re-applied to someone else, if they are better and I've just not yet seen.
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Luminia Olsen
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03-18-2005 16:56
there always someone better ;)
Zermes Vindaloo
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03-18-2005 19:55
Personally i build Prefab's in 50 Prims or less FULLY LINKED with working doors, with the lower income folks in mind. My build fit 512 lots with plent of room for furnishings, also make low prim furniture, (i.e. - chairs and table in 6 prims or less)

Depends i suppose on how you figure it should work, most space in least amt of prim, or the most funtional space in least amt of prim, or just all out Primmage LOL.

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Verkin Raven
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03-23-2005 23:13
I think I might have accidently created the worst prim-to-space ratio "house" in SL. It's a 181 prim sailboat with an internal cabin that's about 10 meters long, 3.6 meters wide, and a ceiling just tall enough for the largest appearance-tweaked avatar.

People have been buying these. Probably because with another 20 prims you can practically have this thing fully furnished.

I think a 200-300 prim house wouldn't be too far out of the question, as long as it didn't have so much volume that even land-rich folks would run out of prims before filling it up. It seems as though as far as houses go, people would rather have a smaller place which has more density of decoration than something that's large and relatively bare.

I'm going to be putting a 270 prim catamaran on the market soon. Despite the camera friendly ceilings and larger cabin this time around, I doubt people are really gonna buy it, but it will be a fun test to see. :)
Shadow Weaver
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03-24-2005 10:46
From: Kayin Zugzwang
Never say "best" in SL, because as far as I can tell the best builds are the ones no one really knows about.


I totaly agree..;)

and I have seen some fantastic ones that people were so wrapped up in that they got flustrated and deleted because they thought it didnt live up to certain standards.

Sorry folks there are some truly amazing builders out there in the world and to single out the usual suspects continues to leave these others in obscurity.

Shadow
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Juro Kothari
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03-24-2005 11:27
Thats why I clarified, by saying:

I say 'best' as a label applied to those builds I've seen.
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Kim Manilow
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03-25-2005 17:33
From: Shadow Weaver
I totaly agree..;)


Sorry folks there are some truly amazing builders out there in the world and to single out the usual suspects continues to leave these others in obscurity.

Shadow


That is why I said that if they were better I would like to know who they are. I'm asking. It wasn't just rhetorical.

Of course, its all subjective.
Verkin Raven
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03-26-2005 23:04
Perhaps it's more likely that some builders are modest and just want to be left alone, without getting a million commission requests or perpetually begged/yelled at by people to sell their work.
Megz Xevious
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03-27-2005 02:26
well check my over 3000 prim build side by side retreat/club looking home in olive. built it myself, with hardly any help. did all of the textures except the outer walls on lower an red ones up farther. comments go easy on me its my first build. thanks. location olive east end . and no its not done yet. anyone want some of the textures, send me a notecard, ill be glad to gift you.
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