Jail!!!!!!!!

it wasnt just simply swearing that was in the example it was repetive harrasment with the F word being the main explative , 100% unprevoked ect ect ect
for that they shouldnt be here jail is a slap on the wrists.
there is no place for ignorance and harrasing people in a community if the players here openly welcome such people and dont mind they will be here then perhaps there is a big lack of morality here and I should seek another game to play and test

Im looking for a game that has fun loving people that are not abusive towards there fellow player, who respect the rights of others and wont tollerate people who make attempts at ruining someone else fun

am I in the right game?

Ok I got the suggestion to be an end all.....

I am highly against electronics/companies/internet raising my children. So that much I wont argue with.....

But unfortunatly there are people out there who expect everyone/and the entertainment industry to conform to their ideals. It is America freedom of speach???? Yea you have the right to complain but you also have the right to enjoy yourself and expect that other s will want to also, and lastly expect that when toes are stomped on you will get a response that you may not like.....


SO HERE IS THE SUGGESTION: This will go to feature suggestions too btw I am not trying to go off topic....

But they could have what most irc servers have.....A word filter...DOH!!!! If you don't understand this ask Shebang or any other network admin who has dealt with the chat community.

Now along with the filter have it customizable client side. HMMMM kinda sounds like a NetNanny take off.

So awith this as a parent you can do your part for them to enjoy this without the problems if you take the parental innitiative to set the filters. While someone who is not offended doesn't have to be limited or controlled by someone elses ideals.

Next we need something set in place so that parents can register user names as underage and the system not allow that AV to cross over into a mature sim.

Because as I agree with the fact that parents need to take an active role in raising their kids, kids will always find ways around it, remember getting grounded or gettin an @55 whoopin? It wasnt because you followed the rules. How often did you get away with something? Our kids are no different.

good idea

good suggestion charlie , word filter that is password protected would be a good feature .

My kids play games online they get 1 hour a night provideing they maintain a B average at least in school, otherwise all bets are off and no computertime at all period!

I dont let it be a babysitter not will it ever be, but lets face it games and kids go hand in hand.....

we have a look at what they are doing from time to time passing by and wife doing laundry is in visual distance of the monitor (guess when she does the laundry )

I personally dont feel kids should be left out of the online experience just that they need be monitored when doing so, but haveing a gamew that the comunity its self is a good one is always a bonus .

After quickly reading how this post has gotten out of hand I wish I knew how to lock it , althou i do not believe i will play this game or post much here anymore due to personality and concept disputes .

I like the Lindens and alot of the people here so i do hope for there sakes the game eventually goes live and does well....

anyways with that being said time to close this long post and go eat

Which prior game have word filters worked in?
Dark Ages of Camelot? Nope.
Earth and Beyond? Nope.
Everquest? Nope.
Ultima Online, where you set your own wordlist. Not really.

Word filters are a terrible idea.
You may think they sound like a fantastics idea,
but they really are not. They don't end up working
the way you think they will work. A word filter
will either be highly in the way or simply turned off
asap. That is how it has been in several other games.

Depends on the specific teenager and that teenager(s) parents. There isn't any one-size-fits-all in this matter, Olar.

My kids are 16 months, 11 and 12 years old. NO WAY would I allow the 11 and 12 year old to play SL, not even with me breathing down their necks. I don't let them watch me play either. Not because I'm going to do or say something they shouldn't see, but because I can't control what others are going to do or say, even in the PG areas.

This is what works for OUR family.

Calling SL a "porno online" is a bit much, I think. Oh sure, I'm sure there will be areas and "attractions" that are pure av. porn. I won't be involved with those, because that's just not who I am, not what I'm interested in. But they'll be there, same as they're in 99% of the other online communities.

<shrug>

It's up to you, as the parent, to determine whether you want your kids to be exposed to that or not.

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One of the most interesting mediums to come around in the last few years and the first things you guys can think of are prison and weapons?

hmm not the first thing, but it is one of the most heated debates so it is just more visible. This actualy a relatively late development

I so totally agree………

Just what we need in out “idyllic” little community are guns that shoot and not just as “attachments”. Why don’t we just give everyone 2 or 3 guns in their inventory when they first log in. I mean, after all, the new guy isn’t going to be able to protect themselves, is this fair ?? Oh, I know, let’s give everyone tactical nukes, then instead of just shooting the one person that’s annoying you, you can take out him/her and their friends too !!!!

Come on people, get serious. THINK about what you are suggesting. If you need to shoot people, go play GTA or Postal, but PLEASE not here.

Nah, do it like it is. Have them fight each other in specified areas. I'm working on a game so you can kill each other now. That's also part of the fun.

Steve

a lot of us were taken aback when this jailing other players agains their will topic came up. I think, like Nexus said, that is why it is so controversial.

What I value about this game is the freedom to express yourself in so many ways...it's quite amazing. But it takes a community dedicated to tolerance to make that work.

I believe the process of jailing players against their will would only exacerbate anger, resentment, feelings of persecution and an overall antagonism toward to SL game/community.

Conflict management is not always going to be quite so easy to resolve as ignore and should not be so draconian as jail. I'm sure we're all intelligent and flexible enough to come up with creative solutions appropriate to the situation and parties involved.

Ok I said I was done with this BUTTTTTTTTTT....topic sort of changed somewhat, now were aslo talking of killing people ect....
I LOVE PVP, so my question would be this .... what consequence is there to death here or is that still not decided ? anyone know?

When you get killed you just teleport home. Also there are set places that you can only get killed in. Thwe outlands, and people's properties set to take damage.

The big problem that comes up that I think (correct me if I'm wrong) is the people who go on random shooting sprees. Not asking the victim in a safe area (no die zone) if they would like to be shot at lol (for purposes other then goofing around or testing why would we say "sure shoot me".

If you don't know em don't shoot em in a safe area unless you are good friends and have that kind of good goofoff relationship, and/or you ask first.

Same as with the swords that just came out. It is annoying to be talking with someone and another person comes up and does some Judo on ya and you end up half way across the sim out of range in the middle of a conversation.

Just because someone wears a gun or sword doesn't mean its to be assumed that is ok to pound on em. ASK FIRST!!!

perhaps they can or will , make it so that even if someone shoots at you or swings at you in a "SAFE" zone that absolutly nothing happens including moveing of your character.... maybe it was an oversite of the programmers on this one and will be changed ?
or even a bug in the existing program?

I truely dont know BUT they are issues that should and probably will be looked at soon .

do you know if they are aware of this situation Charlie ? they may be clueless its even happening...

I kinda hibernate when on so havent encountered it as of yet

Yea Ben Linden expressed a concern to some people he was giving the sword to in the welcome area to not just go hitting people . That they need to ask first. But if not known further than that, it is now good point.

but who knows?

I really think the most important thing to bear in mind is that when this game goes up as a subscription service,, there will be (And I realizes this is bold talk for a 1 eyed fat man,, to coin a phrase) absolutely NO jailing against a players will. Why, because that is not fun & that player will stop paying( no I didn't forget the "L". further although this is (preportedly) the land of free speech,, you will not see freespeech on the servers,, some words will be unacceptable, and if you get caught using them, you will be reprimanded, & if U continuet to use them, you will be banned, why, because people will let the net babysit their kids, & get bent when they walk in & somone is using explicitive deletives whilst conversing with little Timmy, & cut thier subscription off, and tell their other friends with kids with internet connections about what a bad evil porn ladden service it is & they will either drop subscriptions or not buy them, and there are a lot more folks like that out there than marketing is comfortable with, so freespeech is out the window boys & girls.

I would be interested to see how long it took for a child to get around being barred admittance to a mature server,, cause U know it will not keep a kid out that really really wants in.

I hope that doesn't come across more smartassed than jadedly humorous,, but I'm too sleepy to go back & reword.

nite ya'll... oh yeah,, I like guns,, but only when they can discharge something cooler than bullets. AND,,, I applaude Shebangs commitment to the raising of her kids. I would ask how will you/ do you deal w/ the inevitability of them hearin/reading cuss words? I always figured I'd tell mine why they were objectionable, that they wern't to use them in our house, and I'd prefer them not to use them at all, but that was their choice to make, & explain the ramifications of usage.

ok,, nite ya'll,, really this time

well shebang my kids are older than yours so I guess theres the differance too ...
my youngest is 8 years older than your youngest and my oldest is 3 years older than your oldest and I also have a 14 year old .....
Do I want them exposed to that sort of LANGUAGE ......NOPE
As im sure even at that age you will not want yours exposed ...we can only guide our children we can NOT follow them around with flashlights 24/7 its physically impossible for 1 and 2 they MUST live life too and learn from there actions,
they must expierience things life has to offer , BUT that does NOT mean that it needs to be polluted with vulgarity....
Yes this game is for player 18 plus NOW while in testing because they WANT testers not just players...
I am sure later it will be for ALL see children/Kids are the largest group of gamers on the market and why would they want to EXCLUDE such a LARGE part of a market from thier possible subscriber base? they wont want to do that it isnt good Biusiness, it isnt smart Biusiness, and it MUST be profitable or they wont be here ...

Please dont feel this is directed to only shebang ...its for all I just used her for an example because she gave her childrens ages and some examples of the time they have on the net...

and she also has enough good sence to realize im not harrassing her we are mearly discussing something...

have a good day one and all

Thanks =)

They -do- hear some cuss words, obviously, because we don't/can't keep them in plastic bubbles =)

The older two are actually my step-daughters, and they get to hear quite a bit from their mom....... even in some of the Approved By Us movies that they watch, there's some amount of Language. They do know which words are Bad, and they don't say them, at least not within our hearing. Yeah, I remember being a kid, and I remember behaving one way in front of the parental units, and another way when out of their sight.

Can't shield them from everything, but Must attempt to shield them from as much of the Bad Stuff as possible for as long as possible. That's my job as a parent.

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Age is very much a deciding factor around here =) As they get older, we'll loosen up a bit. We're not old fuddyduddies (well, we're old, and we're kinda fuddy on occasion <G>.

As I just posted, they already get to hear some quite colorful language on occasion at their other house. Here in this house, they get to hear words like Fudge! and Bleep! and Doorknob! and Crump! Do they know that I'm using those words instead of Real Cuss Words? Of course, they're not stupid.... have I ever heard them use any of those words? Nope...

At their other house, they're latch-key kids for about 2 hours after school. During that time, they can play online with no parental supervision. Their mom doesn't care, thinks nothing bad could possibly come of it. We've tried, but just can't get her to understand that there ARE some real Fudge-heads on the net. We've asked the girls to please not get online over there without their mom around, but we can't enforce it.

I've gone round and round in my head over this one. Since they're already exposed to so much over there -- and allowed to do so much over there -- what's the point in continuing to raise them the way we are over here? The point is to teach them what we believe is The Right Way. Not only for themselves as children, but for when they have children of their own someday.

They're both chomping at the bit to be All Grown Up. We're going to have to "let" them someday. Just not yet. As long as they still want to watch Rugrats every day, they're still little girls in my eyes. And when they stop wanting to watch Rugrats, I'll latch onto something else they do and I'll say "as long as they're still [whatever it is...], they're still little girls". =)

As far as the Game goes -- yeah, I know there are going to be "kids" in it (just not my kids.. heh). And I'll say Crump and Fudge and Bleep around those kids in the game -- and around most of the adults as well, because those are just the words I say *most of the time*. I very rarely type out actual cuss words, and when I do I make dern sure that only people I absolutely KNOW are adults are within hearing/seeing range. I have no problem with kids playing SL. I just don't want *my* 11 and 12 year olds playing it or any other MMPG. Even if I was to sit on the arm of the chair as they played, that wouldn't be good enough. Once seen, it's too late to "fix it". Like email -- we check their email, but only on the surface. We look at the sender and the subject line. If it looks like spamcrap/porncrap, we delete it. Then they get to sit down and read whatever's left without us breathing down their necks. We don't read the emails their friends or Gramma sends them. We don't read what they write back.

Anyway... I hear what you're saying. And I don't feel even a little bit picked on =)

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Shebang sez:

We've tried, but just can't get her to understand that there ARE some real Fudge-heads on the net.

Zoli sez; URL REMOVED BY ADMIN the REAL reason god made hell.. mayB that will get the little light to turn on.

Ust twying to help >:)=)

Zoli.. heh.. yeah.

She'd be seriously BLEEPED off at me if I sent her that link. And then she'd say that there's no way the girls would ever manage to find that site (or any others like it), so there's nothing to worry about it, and that I'm just being a silly overprotective twit. And then she'd accuse me of sending her a virus because her cdrom no longer works.

Seriously, I don't even like seeing that crump. I'm not a prude, but I prefer subtlety in most things. How to explain it... hmmmm.... ok, back when my husband and I were still just dating, but knew we would be saying The Words... I fired up the webcam one day and took a snapshot of myself for him. In it, I'm *mostly* nekkid, but I'm positioned in such a way that (a) it appears as tho I'm buck-nekkid, and (b) you can't actually see anything naughty. Then, to further the subtlety, I played around with it in PSP and converted it to a soft pencil-like drawing. Is it porn? Perhaps to some. I don't think of it that way, but more as art (but not Art, which to me is Professional league -- mine's strictly amateur).

Ok, now that everyone's gagging at the thought, I'll toddle off to read the other new posts <G>

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Aw now cammon,, I've no doubt U'r hotter than a 2 dolar pistol & he's got a sexual dynamo keepin that house warm during these irritating coldsnaps (Vonce again, Zoltan speekz zee vordz zee vomen lauv to eer)

I peep CJ out every now & then,, I like looking a stupid people tricks,, if nothing else it lets me know that Darwin ain't slackin', no he's hard at work cullin' the herd. But there is some stuff on there that sends me powerwalkin the path to madness before I can say "Ooooooooooh , my sanity hurts!!!!"... fortunately we have a trauma system that sends me into shock & after a few weeks the Cthulhuian truths I have witnessed have blissfully faded into denial.

hmm hotter than a 2 dollar pistol?
fastest thing around ?
Long and lean every young mans dream?
turned every head in town?
Biult from the handles son Im glad that you dropped in?
she reminds me of the one I loved back then??

oops didnt mean to ramble

the $2 pistol got me goin lol