Jail!!!!!!!!

That is my next project! Makeing a Jail for SL
anyone that is being a nuesence, littering the lands with awefull items of any kind, making crude/rude remarks to others , not paying there depts to players/bank...
scamming players of money/items ect.......

I will need some help though!
I dont script at all so door scripts for locking the violaters in will be needed , any assistance on this will be apriciated,
also financial help is desired But I do NOT want to take from any of you so please just make a point to go to Knights supply EVERYDAY and vote so the money can come from the game and not its players to help defer some of the costs...
I will also put a voteing boothe at the Jail so if you would also vote there once its erected It would certainly help a bunch!

thanks and please feel free to leave feedback on this good bad or indifferent... would like to get a feel if you the player would be interested in it being a aspect of SL...
alot of games end up with violaters of player polocy and nothing gets done because its to borderline for a suspention or ban ... perhaps this is the solution they can be on but cant leave the cell!!! just a thought,

what do you think???




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My concern of course would be jailing 'innocent' people. How would we keep from doing that?

Of course, feel free to jail Charlie at will... he's never innocent... heh

Kerstin

A fun jail would be a nice addition. I say lets leave the enforcement of real offenses to the right people (Linden) I for one don't want anyone other than them enforcing laws on me.

I really dont like the idea of a citizen patrol. Im my VR experience it usually leads to big egos and the wrong emphasis.

helping people out v.s. pushing people around

I do however think it would be fun in the context of a game in the outlands.

I.M.H.O.

well for a lil clarification ... heres a basic plan at this point although the proper people must be spoken with to make it final...

IF there is an offence (which is a matter of time) so really when there is an offence , Lindens should be contacted asap and they in turn can watch the situation like any other game Mods/GMs or whatever you prefer to call them...

But other places the game staff must witness first hand Truely Offencive or blatent game disruption to ban or suspend , because ban and suspention are very seriouse ( a game wants to keep its paying customers not toss them away) With this system I propose they wouldnt have to see first hand everything you claim is happening , but witness what is done after you contact them and simply decide if from what they did see if the matter is seriouse enough to jail the person and sentences could be for as little as 1 day to perhaps a week ....

Sounds a bit seriouse BUT nothing compaired to suspention or Ban , considering you could still make items in Jail and simply keep them in your inventory ...
But along with the Jailing part I think during that time your chat should be disabled so you can not whine to any Lindens of your punishment and that you can no longer harrass the person that reported you.......

My thoughts on the Lindens haveing a direct telleporting of the player to the jail cell and that the linden is UNSEEN (invisible if you will) while witnessing the event so they are clueless of who put them there so no hard feelings or Linden bashing going on....

These are just my early thoughs hope it clarifies some for ya .... anyone else have any thoughs, Ideas, or imput of any sort on this please lets here it all imput is welcome




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Couldn't the jailbird simply teleport out? Or can you disable teleporting as well as flying?

Im assumeing if the Lindens back me on this they can disable or enable whatever features they like.

But havent spoke to Linden about this as of yet , hopeing to do so soon






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HMMM Kerstin thats not a nice thing to say to yer guy what yud rather visit me in jail lol. I think a certain person should be jailed for his interesting *um* accessory *yea thats the word* at the party the other night lol.

You know who you are hahahahahaha.

i believe is saw a jail on the plans for the 'Wild West Town' project. it appears to be a Linden sponsored project where you can help build and make some extra money. it's a bit north of the 'consignment superstore' landmark. there's a little office with a map on the back wall - that's where i saw the jail.

Shouldn't we have laws, a police force, a judicial system, and high priced lawyers before a prison?

And maybe what is offensive to you is not offensive to me or vice versa...

I don't think this the best idea...

fen-

If you build a jail, then you have to Lawyers...

If you Lawyers, then you have to have Hell.

Xav

well im sure the game has its OWN set of guildlines on what is and is not offencive and that would have to be what we used as the guide, not what you or i personally feel is offencive......
A preset standard if you will made By Lindens of what they will and will not condone

I dont want to be nor should I or any other player/players be the Judge Jury Or executioner of any punishment it would be biult by me with some scripting help and then givin to the game along with some sugestions that they could take or leave , and the Lindens would be the enforcers useing preset game guildlines as there tools for deciding what punishment if any is deserved...

Its a way to punish the people that they believe are guilty based on the actions that are later witnesed by the Lindens after being called into a situation, perhaps 1 min after the most Major part of the offence takes place...( i hope you understand what im saying its not easy to put into words)

Ok lets say this ....
Your at your house working on you "garden"
Another person comes up lets call them "IDIOT" for lack of better name atm

Idiot says hey whats up (explative) face
you gasp and are like umm whats your problem anyhow?
Idiot says , Your a (explative ) retarded S.O.B.
you then tell him off and demand they leave
Idiot says (explative ) you Ill do whatever I want to and your not gonna stop me...
(you call a Linden)
(linden shows up invisible)
you go back to working on your "garden"
Idiot say hey this stuff is Ugly are you a (explative) retard to make this (explative)
Linden without saying a word simply telleports them to jail for about a week

This is Just an example and probably wont ever happen to you heck ya may not even have a "garden" but I needed someway to explain what I was trying to explain without an example

You might be able to stop the person from teleporting (with help from the lindens), but you wouldn't be able to stop them from logging off, then logging back in after clicking the "Login Location" option in the Preferences to "My Home" instead of "My Last Location".

once jailed no opions would be availible to you but current location , everything disabled by lindens except there ability to biuld...
Lindens would be the jailers not the people and would have that capability

Honestly, I don't think that's a "jailable" offense. One worthy of a "hello and welcome to my Ignore list, have a nice day" perhaps, but ... a Linden showing up and "without a word" simply sending them to jail for a week? Come on, now. I'm all for keeping the griefers to a minimum but that kind of method exceeds even EverQuest levels of totalitarianism.

what planet did you say you where from Cambridge ?
It seems to me if someone acted like that person called Idiot , that a one week jail sentence is mild for such assininity, but thats only my opinion and you know what they say about opinions dont ya?

If not they are like assholes everybody has one

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Let's break it down here.

Idiot insults a player.
Idiot does not stop when asked to.
That's it.

Do you think a one-week in-game "jail sentence" is appropriate for this?

In the case Rivn gave, the Idiot doesn't exploit anything. The Idiot doesn't kick you off the game. The Idiot hasn't built boxes around you, or crashed your sim with a script, or taken control of your Avatar, removed your clothes, and forced you to dance the hoola hoola around the Welcome Area. Just a couple of expletives, that's it, really -- and in a Mature sim, it's even allowed.

Jail is a serious punishment here. For serious offenses. If other measures are in place to minimize disturbances (ignore features, the ability to remove someone from your property, etc.) then there is absolutely no reason why those in charge of the game will have to sit around and babysit players so that they can be thrown in jail for calling someone else a bad word.

I mean, hell, if you're that concerned about dealing with people giving you a hard time, just build your home in the Outlands and gun down anybody who dares approach you. Legal in-game, and problem solved. Plus you can keep them nasty revenooers away.

Yeah, it certainly seems to be a problem best solved by Ignore. Also, would, in release, the Linden Police, really have time to sit around investigating cases of people swearing? Cases of severe harassment (like Cam said, sim crashing, exploiting, etc.) would probably result in suspension or banning anyway. Unless you wanted to do this to lock up people who do things like default on loans or something... but... then I worry about that kind of system.

Cam has the right idea. If they bother you that much, make your home a combat enabled area and gun them down if they are offensive. You could even build ballistic shields around your house, with weapon lockers and code-locked traps and weapon storage. Think of the possibilities.

Sorry, currently downloading the Generals Multiplayer beta, so I'm in a millitary mood

Just a couple of expletives, that's it, really -- and in a Mature sim, it's even allowed.
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To me what I read of his depiction of " Idiot" it sounded more like harassment than just a few explatives
Not to mention the fact that you stated in a Mature sim,
who is to say whetrher it was or wasnt in a mature sim or not in fact who cares the point he was trying to make I think was you should not be harrassed by anyone and if so heres an alternative to suspention
Do we forget so easily that Kids play these games too?
I know if someone acts like " Idiot" in the example and my kid is one the recieveing end I would be fuming if nothing was done.

But maybe that the parent in me.
Please dont give me the shit about if you dont want your children exposed keep them off the internet because thats a realy lame comeback to a problem that is NOT one the child should have to encounter for other peoples ignorance.
The ones that ruin things should have to go and not the ones purely playing for fun

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I wouldn't want my kids on the receiving end of anything like that either. That's why their computer isn't online. If they want to email gramma or a friend, they have to use mine or Daddy's computer, with me or Daddy sitting there. If they want to go to discovery.com and see the different animal cams, then they ask us and we do the clicking. No matter where you go online, you're going to find jerks. Some are jerks intentionally, and some just aren't thinking. Either way, it's up to you as the parent to determine whether you are going to allow your child to be around those jerks. "Keep them off the internet" isn't a lame comeback IMO. It's the same as not allowing them to watch an R rated movie as far as I'm concerned. I'm not going to try to tell Hollywood to stop producing R rated movies. They wouldn't stop even if I did tell them to. It's the parent's job to protect their own children -- not the service/game/chat provider's.

At any rate, I do not think bad language should be a jailable offense. We'll have an ignore function, and that's exactly what should be used.

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/agree completely Shebang.

TV isn't a babysitter, and neither is the Internet. Just because it's a game, doesn't mean it's intended for kids, either. Would you let your kid hang out in a bar? Then why would you let him/her hang out in a Mature Sim?

If you can't be bothered to monitor what your child is doing on the Internet where ANY variety of things you wouldn't want your kid looking at is easily available, I don't think you have a right to complain when your child is exposed to something you don't approve of. Going back to the bar analogy, it's like letting your child hang out in said bar, and then complaining when people are smoking, drinking and swearing around him.

If you had porn channels in your Cable system, are you gonna let your 16 year old watch anything he wants without you ever looking at what he's watching? And if you DO catch him watching porn, are you going to be one of those tired-ass "I can't be bothered to watch my own kids" parents who complains until they remove those channels from the system?

Ugh, don't get me started on my feelings about people who expect others/electronic devices to raise their kids for them. People are sheep. =p

dang , so a teanager shouldnt be on the net playing a game that last time I checked wasnt rated M but has Mature areas.

sounds to me like this game is gonna be a porno online with avatars with you guys here .
Perhaps my children wont be playing it and me either for that matter
so sling the F word all ya like and this game will go NOPLACE with those type of views and values

You are supposed to be 18 years or over to play this game.

IIRC, 'PG' rating does, in fact, allow for some swearing and even brief nudity. If it was a 'T' rating, it would STILL allow for some swearing. A week's jailtime is a rather harsh penalty for a PG rated sim. After all, PG does mean that parental guidance is suggested. Though I think some simple parental controls (scramble expletives...) would help with this more than jailing people who swear in PG sims.